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Thank you.

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I'm watching the game.

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I didn't invite anybody else except you.

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Okay, turn our shit down.

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I forgot I'm on blast, bro.

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I think Thierry Henry is going to talk to me through your phone.

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No, no, I'm looking at the same amount of effort.

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this

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so that's a very bullish he's also out there staying in shape

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I think I have a hoodie in my car, bruh.

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I'm an Oregonian.

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You know you always gotta have hoodies.

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Always gotta have a hoodie.

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Okay, let's just...

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Can you hear me?

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I'm watching the game.

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Yeah, I can hear you.

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Yeah, man.

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Fucking, uh, it was a good little outing.

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I just got home and just ate some food.

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Some tacos, actually.

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So it was great.

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Tacos and a salad.

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Good salad.

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Nice.

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Feeling great.

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Yeah, bro.

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Hit the spot.

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I'll go probably down and have a smoke.

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I was on a break for the game.

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You know, Esco?

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I think, uh, I think they must have heard you through my headphones or something, right?

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could say uh turn down the volume significantly on the tv yeah i better know what time it is for me

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demanding um who do you think is gonna win i am

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no i mean like uh it's spain i hope that's right uh no spain and france

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and France

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I hope that Spain wins

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ok

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probably the best

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match that you can have in the final is

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France and Argentina

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because last year Argentina won

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and the year before that France won

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so this would be

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like ok

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who is the top right

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who is really the big spoon

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it would be insane

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if Spain wins and then goes and beats Argentina

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because then it's kind of like,

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Lamao, I don't even know how to pronounce his name.

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He's like 17 or something.

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He's like barely of age.

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Like him beating Messi would just kind of like gas him up

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to be one of like the top players in the world

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and set his career forward.

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They've been grooming that kid for a while too.

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Like that kid, he took him on early when he was young.

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A hundred percent.

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So that's why I'm like, it would just set his career in an insane path, right?

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Which is probably needed at this point in, you know, soccer, football, whatever you want to call it.

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Young blood, yeah.

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Totally.

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Exactly.

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It's been Messi.

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It's been Cristiano.

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It's been Neymar.

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It's been Mbappe for like a long time.

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Totally.

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And Ronaldo is like retiring, you know what I mean?

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Well, he ain't retiring just yet, but he's going to play in Saudi and just milk the oil out.

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You know what? He's getting there, though. You know what I'm saying? You're right, though.

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Oh, yeah, for sure. He's at 41.

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Yeah. Good point.

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Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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100%, 100%, big connect.

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Big connect.

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Um.

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Are you at a bar?

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I am at a restaurant.

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Nice.

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I'm at a restaurant.

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Over here, we got these things called breweries.

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Oh, yeah.

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Which is a restaurant that they also have a main brewery somewhere else.

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So they serve their beer, and then they have a restaurant to go along with their beer serving.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I just ordered a burger, and then I'm drinking their beer.

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And I'm clanking dude clanking well that's awesome

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Craft beer to go along with the beer

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I'll be right back. Give me a step

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No worries

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All right, lady, I see if I showed you this bro

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I'm over here scheming to get to the bag

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Huh they turned it back up

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Check out the DM I just sent you my boy, but don't say nothing public. We don't celebrate until we secure the bag

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You never know what time it is.

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That's pretty cool, though.

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You know what I'm saying?

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A little extra stuff.

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There's two.

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Can I forget all that?

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So hopefully I can pull this one off.

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That's better than I could have imagined.

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It's better?

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Yeah, I know.

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tomorrow tomorrow I get to pitch though tomorrow I gotta do my little pitch

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thing and then we'll see what time it is for real you know I'm real smooth with

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the words so I gotta just have two two or two and a half beers or some and I'm

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doing a fucking crush right through that no big deal

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I'm trolling but I'm not I'm trolling but I'm not like you know you have like one or

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two bits like the happy zone of just like silver thunder yeah totally sorry I'm just rolling something

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oh you're rolling something oh yeah bro okay after that's important yeah after that's uh some of those

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tacos fuck good thing I'm not feeling itis though that's good though fuck

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When you eat too much, you want to take a nap, you know?

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They love them.

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Yeah.

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And Claude is, I swear to God, Claude is single-handedly one of the things that has made me the most

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excited in at least the past, like, 10 years of my life.

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That's huge.

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The God.

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I thought you said

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Claw, like Call of Duty

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or like this

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No, no, no, I'm talking AI

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coding, software

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development assisted by

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AI. A powerful tool?

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It is

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incredible. Right? It is

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unbelievable. It's like getting an electronic

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drill, you know what I mean? Like, in a way

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Bro, it's like

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getting Flint

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to be able to start a fire type

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yeah totally um the world the world now predominantly is all digitized right it's all

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digital infrastructure can you imagine all of a sudden like you you're able to give like the

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little flint and you know the thing that you like scrape the the thing and you like spark

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and it catches on fire totally yeah it's like it's the equivalent of that in 2026 at least in my

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No, I think you're totally on point with that.

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I think AI in the future will be a lot more powerful

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and probably even more useful in a lot of ways, you know,

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because there'll be like specialized uses for AI, right?

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By then, for certain things, you know, or certain industries.

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And yeah, like you can get AI to potentially build

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or do things for you that maybe you couldn't do before in the past.

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potentially yeah it is a fact yeah it's like yeah it's already been it is right

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so it's no it's exciting but it's a little scary in a way too because you don't know what's gonna

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happen what what it's gonna build to like like you know people can use like tools for good and bad

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right so that's why i say that a little bit on the flip side right but uh oh no no no for sure

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I mean, there's always trade-offs.

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Absolutely.

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But I do feel that it can do more good than bad.

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You know what I mean?

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If it's in the right hand.

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Everything in life can always be used for nefarious shit.

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For bad shit, yes.

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That's a great way to put it.

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Do you think that they'll add the KYC soon?

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Potentially?

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because it's gaining more popularity of use, if you will,

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and paying for younger people?

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I don't know.

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This is going to be kind of a hot take.

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What's up, Micro?

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What up, Micro?

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This is probably going to be a hot take,

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but I think that KYC,

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I mean, I'm already paying with my debit card, right?

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But having to associate my debit card to my actual identity

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should be a gated function into using AI.

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Yeah.

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Because then now with the A-G-S-C-R-I-T,

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you know, we're in crypto shit,

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and that's where decentralization is.

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Yeah, it's a different thing.

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But it's a different thing.

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I think AI is insanely powerful

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that it can be used for very, very nefarious things.

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It can be impersonating people.

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You can be socially engineering people,

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all sorts of stuff.

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And, okay, cool, decentralization or whatever is cool, but that doesn't apply to this level of, or at least this is just my opinion, right?

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That it doesn't apply to this level of, like, accessibility to something that can have such significant impact in the digital world.

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Impactful, yeah.

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Or having such a huge effect if it's used in the wrong way, totally.

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I think that's why they got their kind of, you know, even the White House kind of looked back at that.

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Like, remember how they were kind of trying to limit it for a bit, right?

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And they're like, hey, you guys got to dial it back a bit and put some guardrails on it.

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That's good, guys.

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But the thing is that it's like, obviously, KYC can also be fake.

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That's the problem.

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So it's a little bit more complicated than just like, hey, show me your debit card or show me the ID and match it up.

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And it's not like, you know, there should be.

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And only in this case.

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And, you know, let's see what Riley and Michael think.

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But in this case, I just think it could start.

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It could have a really.

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It could give people tools to do really bad shit.

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That's all I'm trying to say.

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Yeah, but I think that the genie is out of the bottle because I could pretty download

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model locally and run it on my MacBook.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can run Kimmy or SDS.

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Sink, how's it there?

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This is gonna be a chess match.

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He's got to figure out.

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Yo, Michael, are you there?

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Yeah, what's good?

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What's up?

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Sure, bro.

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Just clanking away.

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Nice.

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I'll have to start clanking on some stuff.

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Or just reviewing code.

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A little bit of both.

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review in pre-clank no I mean it's like you know you can have the clanker do

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some of the PR but you can still gotta look at the code really some stuff

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The soccer players really need to apply to go to Hollywood, bro.

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They'd be crazy acting.

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Are you talking about how they do the fouls?

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Yeah, dude.

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Exactly.

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It's crazy.

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It's actually crazy.

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yeah it's like they're like getting slightly knocked in the shoulder and they'll be like

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my shoulder is broken and then they get back up and they know they get they get slightly

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tapped on the shoulder and they say that their foot hurt your foot your foot was not involved

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in any of that yeah yeah that's the thing with soccer i mean it has that like artificial element

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where it doesn't feel like...

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There's part of it where it's like,

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all right, they're being competitive.

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And there's another part of it

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where you're exploiting the game mechanics itself

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to get ahead.

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And that's the part that becomes really boring about soccer.

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I just noticed that in general.

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It goes from having...

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It doesn't matter, though,

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because Spain is beating France

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and that's all that matters.

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Oh, really?

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That's cool.

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Turns out Spain was a strong team.

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Yeah, bro, they're the Confusedors.

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I'm a carnivore.

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You know what's crazy funny?

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That...

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Oh, man.

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He fucked that one up.

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But...

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Hold on.

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You know what's funny?

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The mayor,

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the super young dude from

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Spain,

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You see his hair has like the little highlights.

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If you go back to when Cristiano Ronaldo first started playing for Manchester United,

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look at his hair.

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Yeah, bro, that's his hero.

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If Spain wins the World Cup, holy shit, this kid would...

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Unless he like

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Injures himself

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I wouldn't be surprised

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Especially with that kid

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He's like the fucking Sidney Crosby of Spain

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It would be fire to see

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Young kids coming up

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And fucking just wreck

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Because all these sports also are very

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Controlled bro

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So, like, you know, money-wise and all that.

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Don't you think that it's a team?

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Anyways, there's a lot more politicking to this than people give it.

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Oh, without a doubt.

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And how they protect by suppressing and all sorts of other shits.

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Yo, issues.

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We ain't talking about no Robin Hood here, bro.

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Sorry.

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We're just, it's game time.

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We're just watching the game.

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we we we onto the next you know what was it called unicorn evolving you know

286
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whatever it was i hope you made money on that though

287
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you know it's crazy it's four years ago i don't remember anybody paying attention

288
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on like it's like crypto Twitter for the world's up

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are you guys watching the soccer games yeah yeah yeah yeah sorry Wayne doing

290
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know robin hood i'm not in the rob i didn't buy robin hood ones i should have though damn i should

291
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have fuck i missed that no i didn't get that one you know because the cash cat already ran and i

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was like you know now i'm chasing right it's over it's over yeah i was chasing i'm not a chaser i'm

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more of like a i'm more of a starter right i like to start it i don't like to chase it

294
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you know like the v4 hook shit i was a starter and i didn't chase it right and then yeah but

295
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:27,980
how did that go it went well for me until i sold i mean i mean i had a i had a unicorns and i thought

296
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it was gonna do something but it just the volume started to die out and i'm not one to ride the

297
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bag down anymore so you know i was like it is what it is i got out on that second pump

298
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when it, you know, went up.

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Not the first one.

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I didn't get big boy profits.

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I could have.

302
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I made like six grand.

303
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So it wasn't like,

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it wasn't like, you know,

305
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20, 24 days or nothing

306
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when I was fucking, dude.

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It was so nice, dude.

308
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I bought my truck and all that shit.

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It was, dude, it was so nice, bro.

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It really was.

311
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It was like, okay, I put 500 bucks.

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I just made fucking 10 grand.

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I was like, oh, my God.

314
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It was insane, bro.

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And that was with the dog with hat mega.

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The mega with.

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That's what it was from.

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Mega with I made 10 grand off of 500 bucks.

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And then it crashed after it crashed so hard.

320
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But those were the good days.

321
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Those days will never return.

322
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I hope everybody knows that, right?

323
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Those days will never return.

324
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That meta is dead.

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That kind of gains on meme tokens will never happen again.

326
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Because now every chain...

327
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Unless you're an insider.

328
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Unless you're an insider.

329
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Unless if you're an insider, which most people ain't, right?

330
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So there's too many chains that are launching meme tokens anymore

331
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to even think that you're going to be part of that crowd.

332
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you know what I mean it's just not the same as when it was

333
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you know

334
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no 100% back then there was a lot of more consolidation of liquidity

335
00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:31,040
liquidity wasn't just like all over the place all these chains all of it you know

336
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and then back then

337
00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:37,520
shit was a little bit more disorganized.

338
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,900
So there wasn't so much of that, you know, in crowd and, you know, established voices,

339
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,320
KOLs that obviously have to be favored to move the needle and all that shit.

340
00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:49,180
I agree.

341
00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:05,860
Yep, the markets have matured since then.

342
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,160
And they're going to mature even more.

343
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,440
It's about to get real flat out of here.

344
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Especially with that Clarity Act shit.

345
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Once that's enacted or whatever, it's official then.

346
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That's when it's really over.

347
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:29,780
Totally.

348
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Start of regulation, if you will.

349
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Okay.

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but i think it should get bullish though it'll get very bullish i think that spain just found

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another gold i knew it i fucking knew it they're gonna fucking they're gonna take this shit they

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looked hungry from the beginning of the match and i was just like watching them the whole time and

353
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until like about 10 minutes ago

354
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,280
and I'm like fuck

355
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,580
they look like they're gonna fucking take this

356
00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:08,540
and in France I like France

357
00:24:08,540 --> 00:24:10,000
I like Pepe and shit fuck

358
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,920
but you know what

359
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,420
that Nigerian guy

360
00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:15,380
he was rooting for Fran

361
00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:18,020
when he comes into space next time

362
00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:19,460
I'm gonna troll him about this

363
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:20,280
oh Harry Potter

364
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,080
uh huh

365
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:41,080
It's just like they almost got a second goal too right after that first one.

366
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:46,180
I don't know if you guys caught that, but like they were so close to getting a second one too.

367
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I don't know if you.

368
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,320
It's fucking dope.

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Hungry.

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For that win.

371
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:08,240
.

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.

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You know you see the video of Mbappe like doing the mouth thing like

374
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,120
No, I gotta see that

375
00:25:52,120 --> 00:26:02,760
Actually no, I think I've seen him do it in the previous case actually, come to think

376
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,760
of it.

377
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,400
It's like, he gives a...

378
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,400
up disgust.

379
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:20,260
They call him dictator in Batman.

380
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:52,100
Thank you.

381
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,780
Yo, Riley.

382
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Yo.

383
00:26:58,580 --> 00:26:59,920
Another one.

384
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:06,740
Oh, he just got offside.

385
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,320
What is up with your numbers in this?

386
00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:20,180
Is it because you got game time on?

387
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Nobody wants to come and join?

388
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,900
I didn't invite anybody or anything.

389
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:28,660
Oh, it's like seven people in here.

390
00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:30,240
It's like a broken space.

391
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,060
Where is my boy broken?

392
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:40,120
Are you watching the game right now?

393
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:41,780
Yeah, that's what we're doing.

394
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:42,540
We're watching the game.

395
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:45,520
Are you guys gambling or what?

396
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:46,900
I don't know.

397
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:52,880
Is it the finals?

398
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,220
Are you watching the final?

399
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,500
I don't know nothing about sports, bro.

400
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:01,300
So if I'm asking questions and not knowing,

401
00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:03,300
I just want to be enlightened.

402
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:06,720
So is England playing?

403
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:08,920
England is the one that won, right?

404
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,540
I'm still in it, yeah.

405
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,400
England's still in it.

406
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,860
But England's not playing right now.

407
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,700
though. It's France versus Spain.

408
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:20,680
France versus Spain.

409
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,720
Are you going for France or Spain? I like

410
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,860
Spain. I mean, I said Spain

411
00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:26,860
just because I like Spain.

412
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:28,840
Do they

413
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,860
still have that black dude at Spain?

414
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:32,760
That black dude that was like badass.

415
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,220
I don't know, but

416
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:36,720
France has historically done quite well.

417
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,740
Right now, Spain is kicking

418
00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:39,800
France's ass.

419
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,900
That's good.

420
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:43,260
It's still Spain versus France.

421
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:50,220
So it's the semi-finals then?

422
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:52,660
I believe so, yeah.

423
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Either semi or quarter, but I think it's semi, yeah.

424
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,240
Yeah.

425
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,940
I've been super big in the sports, you know?

426
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,440
I'm a nerd, I guess you could say.

427
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:11,100
Right?

428
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:13,140
So...

429
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:15,360
I'm not as nerdy as you, Riley,

430
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:16,620
but I'm definitely nerdy.

431
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,180
Whatever you say, Casper man.

432
00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:23,000
The what man?

433
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,000
What'd you just call me?

434
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Casper man.

435
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,920
What is that? Casper?

436
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:28,140
Oh, Casper, yeah.

437
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,900
I still got a million Casper tokens.

438
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:33,020
I believe you.

439
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:38,500
Yep, I still got it.

440
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,080
Ain't that something?

441
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,820
That's pretty good.

442
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,440
maybe

443
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,460
who knows maybe they did solve the trilemma

444
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,340
and next bull market everybody

445
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:49,100
finds out

446
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:52,040
I guess we'll see

447
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,820
I guess we'll see

448
00:29:53,820 --> 00:29:56,160
we don't know until the bull market

449
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
comes and then everybody shows their cards

450
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,160
what cards has Cardano

451
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,480
got

452
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,000
I don't know the price action looks pretty good

453
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,700
should we load up on Ada

454
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,100
I don't know. I mean,

455
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,740
I thought about it.

456
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,500
I'm loading up on Hyperliquid.

457
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:22,200
Are you? Hyperliquid?

458
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:23,580
You don't think it's already top?

459
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,220
You think it's going to keep going?

460
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,280
That's right.

461
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,020
It could. It could.

462
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,520
It could.

463
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,880
What about Aster? You like that one?

464
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,960
I have some.

465
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,440
You have some?

466
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,480
You think CZ's going to crime that shit or what?

467
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:42,560
I hope so.

468
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,480
You got to believe in our boy, CZ.

469
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:47,680
He always pulls through with the BNB.

470
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,980
He's a crimer on the BNB.

471
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:55,680
Look at that life token that's at $700-something million.

472
00:30:57,460 --> 00:31:06,180
And then he just basically pissed off the whole BNB community just recently, I guess, with that CZ token.

473
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:07,620
Nice.

474
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:09,960
I've been seeing the drama all over the timeline

475
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,080
with the BNB community over him

476
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,300
with that token.

477
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,100
They're definitely

478
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:19,280
putting some hate on him.

479
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:23,620
Or CZs.

480
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,520
They need to leave CZ alone.

481
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:28,540
Yeah, they can't leave CZ alone.

482
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:29,740
But he's just basically

483
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:32,000
they're not enjoying that he's not supporting

484
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,480
memes.

485
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Right?

486
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:36,920
This is what basically it seems like to me.

487
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080
that there's just a bunch of people crying

488
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,740
that they're not supporting their scams.

489
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,060
You get what I mean?

490
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,480
That's what it looks like to me.

491
00:31:44,660 --> 00:31:48,420
And, you know, CZ burnt 70% of the supply

492
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:50,940
instead of just keeping the supply and talking about it.

493
00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:52,840
And they're all like,

494
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:55,340
whoa, Donald Trump even has his own coin

495
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:56,400
and blah, blah, blah.

496
00:31:57,380 --> 00:31:58,920
There's been a lot of drama in the timeline

497
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,500
with the Binance community.

498
00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:06,160
See, I don't pay attention to the community.

499
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:12,740
just the price oh yeah you got you're the ada community though micro i'm not part of any

500
00:32:12,740 --> 00:32:20,020
community i don't know who told you that your space bud my space but oh you don't have one i

501
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:25,400
got it i got plenty of mfts on different chains oh do you really i thought you were part i thought

502
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,480
you built on the ada community and you were part of like the whole the whole deal i built a

503
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,900
programming language oh i thought you were like in like i thought i didn't maybe i'm wrong maybe

504
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:43,180
i'm wrong i'm like i was part of it i was part of it i was part of the ada community for many years

505
00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:48,240
and i enjoyed it i mean i made a lot of good friends here and talked to a lot of good people

506
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,660
but that's that that doesn't have anything to do with the upper management right it's just like

507
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:58,740
any company upper management you know fucked it right

508
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,740
but I,

509
00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:05,660
everybody I've met here has been absolutely tits.

510
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:05,980
I mean,

511
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:06,840
great people,

512
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,260
you know,

513
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:08,160
throughout the years.

514
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,400
It's like Joker.

515
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:13,600
Joker's a good dude.

516
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:14,780
He's here now.

517
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:15,900
S.

518
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:16,240
Joker,

519
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:17,280
Riley,

520
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,460
you know,

521
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:19,480
all these people are pretty good.

522
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,180
I've never talked shit about them,

523
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,380
you know?

524
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:23,180
No,

525
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,040
your cool issues.

526
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:28,360
I think a lot of us have kind of gotten to the point where we no longer

527
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
consider ourselves to be a part of a

528
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,780
quote-unquote community.

529
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,540
Micro included.

530
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,700
I don't think you were incorrect

531
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,460
in what you said.

532
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:40,040
Micro definitely was

533
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,180
the same person you're thinking of,

534
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,780
but it doesn't matter.

535
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:46,820
We're all just people.

536
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:47,760
Yeah.

537
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880
And we can still be friends

538
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680
even if we're not part of some cult.

539
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:53,320
Yeah, cult.

540
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:58,220
No, I agree with you.

541
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,940
So no more community talk.

542
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:05,020
No more Aida community.

543
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:06,460
Yeah, pretty much.

544
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,880
I mean, yesterday, Esco...

545
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,660
Esco was kicking people yesterday

546
00:34:10,660 --> 00:34:11,960
for saying the C word.

547
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:14,440
The what word?

548
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:15,820
The C word.

549
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,280
A Canton word.

550
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,640
You know?

551
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:21,020
The C word?

552
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Yeah, the Tezos, Cosmos,

553
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,620
Canton word.

554
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,880
No, no.

555
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,900
So then it didn't clear the air.

556
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,580
This will happen.

557
00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:36,260
Once upon a time yesterday, we were talking about AI and all these other things.

558
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,780
Non-Cardano associated shit, right?

559
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,260
And, you know, let's just say issues.

560
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,600
I pull up to your house, right?

561
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,120
You're like, hey, Playboy, welcome to my house.

562
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,500
You know, here we try to keep our floors from being scratched and shit.

563
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:52,540
So take your shoes off.

564
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,760
It's nicely vacuumed.

565
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,700
There's rugs everywhere.

566
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:56,400
But life is good up in this bitch.

567
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,900
And then I'm like, fuck no.

568
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,020
I'm going to wear my shoes up in here with the little rock that's stuck in the soil.

569
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,460
And I'm going to scratch the fuck out of your floor, right?

570
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,720
What the fuck would you do?

571
00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:09,360
Wouldn't you kick me the fuck out of your house for fucking up your floors?

572
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:12,220
That's exactly what was happening yesterday.

573
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:13,420
You know?

574
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:16,860
And he calls you after and is like, why the fuck did you kick me?

575
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:17,580
I deserve this.

576
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:18,900
No, not only that.

577
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,880
He sends me a whole message and he's arguing.

578
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,560
I'm wrong.

579
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,040
He's wrong.

580
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,500
That's exactly the problem.

581
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:27,940
you unselfaware piece of shit.

582
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:28,600
And I was like,

583
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:30,780
and I just,

584
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:32,980
and I literally just hit him with the fuck you

585
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:34,780
and I blocked him and I just keep him moving

586
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:36,620
because this is not the first time

587
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:39,720
that like self-awareness is definitely not something

588
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,940
in like that individual's cards.

589
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,740
And then he wants to argue with you in your own house.

590
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:48,920
I'm like, yo, go host your own damn space,

591
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:50,060
aka your own house,

592
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:51,300
and then you can go, fuck you up.

593
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,580
like Rick James,

594
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,380
fuck your couch, bitch.

595
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Yo, he literally walked in here

596
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,920
and was like, fuck your couch.

597
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:01,400
And then, you know,

598
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,480
the other guy, Charlie Murphy,

599
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,120
is like, I beat his ass.

600
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,720
Like, it was that exact scenario.

601
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,520
There's not a more

602
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,780
iconic two series

603
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:17,540
of a show ever

604
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:18,860
besides that shit.

605
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:22,140
Charlie Murphy.

606
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:22,960
The obvious brother dog.

607
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,800
And he's like, you know what I did?

608
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,900
I looked at him and I beat his ass.

609
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,180
No, it's just like, not even disrespectful at that point.

610
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:38,380
I think you got to have like the craziest case of narcissism

611
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:42,180
and arrogance and non-self-awareness.

612
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:44,260
Put the racist person in a...

613
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:46,700
Dude, seriously, like, dude.

614
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,960
It was side-shitting, wasn't it?

615
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,960
No, it was not side-shitting.

616
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,320
Me and Sitchin are cool as hell.

617
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,040
I just unblocked his account

618
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,140
and shit, too. We're cool.

619
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,440
Like, he was coming in here.

620
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,640
No, me and... No.

621
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,720
That's funny, because you would expect someone like

622
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,480
Sitchin to be there,

623
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,680
but it ain't even that. That means that there's

624
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880
worse in the roster of

625
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,020
interactions.

626
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,820
I thought it was worse.

627
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:11,860
Holy shit.

628
00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:12,180
Yeah.

629
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,660
Yeah, it's way worse.

630
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,000
And it's funny, because

631
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,500
the person is chill at times,

632
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,700
and then like just like completely

633
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,300
goes out the deep end

634
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:25,440
and like given the first

635
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,080
opportunity

636
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,260
unbelievable

637
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:29,540
trash panda

638
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:31,680
no no no

639
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,640
I'll just tell you who it is

640
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,920
John Kravitz from C-SWAT

641
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,120
oh John

642
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,480
oh that's

643
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,120
oh dude that's dude

644
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,180
yeah okay

645
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:43,280
yeah

646
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,520
he's been

647
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,140
funny I've known him a long time

648
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,680
I know more about him than most people in the community do.

649
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:57,340
I got nothing against the guy personally.

650
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,460
He just has, like, kind of personal issues with, like,

651
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:07,380
with, like, a community that, like, listen,

652
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,320
I like actually the leadership in Cardano

653
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,980
or one of the leaderships in Cardano quite a bit.

654
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,460
Like, I'm cool with the guy, right?

655
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:17,900
Other people like the CF in Emurgo.

656
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:19,820
I don't really care for it too much.

657
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:22,000
I don't mind Amergo, honestly, as much as other people.

658
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,440
I just don't care for them.

659
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,480
The CF, they're kind of like

660
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,280
anti-growth Europeans, so

661
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,660
they're kind of par for the course.

662
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:31,940
But

663
00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:36,080
the community, I actually have the biggest beef with.

664
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,260
Because like

665
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:39,900
a lot of people is kind of like

666
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,900
DF sighted.

667
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,460
What was that token he had?

668
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:44,900
Karma?

669
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:47,880
No, Karma.

670
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,660
I'm going to look right now.

671
00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:51,100
I don't need to ask questions.

672
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:51,840
Let me just look.

673
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,540
Is that place still, Tap Tool, still going on or no?

674
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,240
No, they're gone.

675
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:58,860
You got to go to, like, Dex Hunter.

676
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,500
Oh, you got to go to Dex Hunter now?

677
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Yeah.

678
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,760
To look at Cardano stuff?

679
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,420
Pretty much.

680
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:12,280
Oh, that sucks.

681
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:16,120
It is what it is.

682
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000
I think the tap tools

683
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,360
they're kind of like

684
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,500
were left with employees that were out of the wheelhouse

685
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,180
of what was needed technically

686
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,080
to run the business

687
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,460
and so

688
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:32,120
they didn't have the technical expertise to keep the lights on

689
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,880
yeah all the

690
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,140
tapping money ran out

691
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:43,760
businesses

692
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,220
businesses rise and fall

693
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:47,380
I don't think of it as like

694
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:49,340
you know

695
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:50,400
it is what it is

696
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,900
yeah the money ran out

697
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,220
and they couldn't keep it afloat

698
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:54,980
yes

699
00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:56,040
yeah

700
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,660
also they didn't have like a person that

701
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:03,240
they didn't have like a CTO for instance

702
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,860
is what they declared

703
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:07,960
so they didn't have like that tech guy

704
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,960
that could like

705
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,380
keep their business operational on the cloud

706
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:20,600
the parma token still has an 820

707
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:29,720
20k market cap is that true oh i guess the bigger thing is what does the chart look like

708
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:36,900
compared to it looks terrible it doesn't look that good it had like a little pump up but then

709
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,600
they had this massive wick.

710
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,300
It looks like one whale sold.

711
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:42,640
That was John.

712
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:44,540
No, I'm kidding. I don't know who sold.

713
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,360
What are you talking about?

714
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,540
The Karma card.

715
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,720
Because I haven't looked at it, and I didn't

716
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,840
even know you could look at it for Bexhunter.

717
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:54,760
Because

718
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,780
Tap Tools, I didn't even realize Tap Tools

719
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:58,800
was, like, gone. I know

720
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,640
I've seen it.

721
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:03,580
No, yeah.

722
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,140
No comment, bro. I don't.

723
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,580
or fuck it in any of that.

724
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,100
It just, you know,

725
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,300
we were just talking about

726
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:14,860
what happened yesterday.

727
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,920
I don't care what ventures

728
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,660
and tokens and whatever.

729
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,320
Yeah, that's definitely a big wick

730
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,320
though right there, Micro,

731
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,340
from, what is that?

732
00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:29,200
One, two, three, four, five,

733
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:30,280
six days ago.

734
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:33,040
That is a nasty ass wick.

735
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:34,860
Like one person sold

736
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:37,080
type of wick.

737
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,520
Did it come back up or are we talking wick?

738
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:42,060
No, it's still retracing. It filled the wick.

739
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:43,460
So it wicked down.

740
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,020
It came back up a little bit and now

741
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:47,000
it's filling it.

742
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:49,840
I see.

743
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,800
So it's heading back down.

744
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:53,080
Yeah, it's definitely heading back down.

745
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,040
So yeah, it wicked down. It had a bounce

746
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,240
up off of that wick. That big

747
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,280
red candle.

748
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:02,060
Then now it came back up

749
00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:03,760
a little bit, which is just normal.

750
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,640
and normally it's either going to go back to the upside or it's going to continue to fill that wick

751
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:16,060
yeah right now it kind of resets the rsi on the bounce up so then it can kind of

752
00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:22,940
intermediately continue a bearish trend or you get a regular bull yes divergence reversal

753
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:29,280
and it's definitely not a bullish divergent reversal right now it's fucking yeah it's

754
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,820
Yeah, it's not looking good.

755
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,080
So, with that being said,

756
00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:34,680
I hope

757
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,380
he does alright, because I'm sure there's a lot of people

758
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,540
that got money in the token.

759
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Well,

760
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,520
yeah, I hope he manages his expectations

761
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,000
accordingly.

762
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,500
Yeah, because there's only 153 holders,

763
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,500
though, so...

764
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,640
I mean, there's that many people

765
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,160
in the token.

766
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:53,540
Yeah.

767
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,280
Somebody holds

768
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,640
13%? Holy shit.

769
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,420
It might be some of the devs.

770
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:05,800
Yeah.

771
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Yeah, but I don't like that.

772
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Performing.

773
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,600
I'm going to start going through these walls.

774
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,420
My thinking is do whatever you can

775
00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:21,920
financially to make sure you're set.

776
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:24,380
It's a different time. AI has come

777
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:26,280
around, and AI is amazing,

778
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:32,280
but it also completely changes any sort of dynamics we had in previous years.

779
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:37,760
Like things come all into question like are we still going to have a Bitcoin four-year cycle?

780
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:42,720
I think still yes, but I think like the whole altcoin, memecoin cycles

781
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:50,060
have kind of started to fade away in favor of AI.

782
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:55,680
AI can change everything because you can pump out too many memecoins too quickly for anyone.

783
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:08,800
AI has made it so it is very obvious that everything that was being launched was hyperinflated in valuation of all sorts, bro.

784
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:17,960
It's like crypto no longer has a speculation wave, which fueled most of the evaluations because they went on to AI.

785
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:28,100
And without that speculation wave, you don't quite get the same bull market that you got in the previous 2021 and 2017.

786
00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:34,220
So now we're in this different wave of speculation where most of it went to AI.

787
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,780
That bubble is going to burst too, though, right? Soon is the AI bubble.

788
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:46,680
Wait, what?

789
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,820
there's an artificial intelligence bubble

790
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,200
in the stock market

791
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,920
that I believe is going to burst massively

792
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,940
and it's going to be

793
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:57,080
but it's still going to go higher

794
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,200
for now

795
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,480
I think there's a sentiment out there for sure

796
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,220
thanks dude

797
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:06,720
there's definitely a sentiment out there

798
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,980
just like everything dude

799
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:09,900
any new emerging industries has

800
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,360
is pump and dump

801
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,320
crypto and the internet

802
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
any new thing that comes from

803
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,980
this like obscured nothing unregulated whatever has this massive speculative

804
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:30,220
speculation phase to it and then eventually all of the chips were speculating

805
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:35,920
all starts consolidating and then it just either plateaus and first it has a

806
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,580
plateau and then it will big dumpy in consolidation and vertical acquisition

807
00:45:42,580 --> 00:45:44,180
vertical integrations

808
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:46,080
and if things are like patented

809
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,920
or companies that have

810
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,100
you know a shit ton of users

811
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,000
that like even though their product is shit

812
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,960
other companies want those users

813
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,840
I'll just go through all that

814
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,220
it's like very cyclical things

815
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:58,620
yeah

816
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:02,200
but the

817
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,480
interesting part about AI

818
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,940
is it has garnered a ton of users

819
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:07,920
and

820
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,900
it has

821
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,880
it has a couple things going for it

822
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,820
One, you have companies that have a lot of money that do it,

823
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:17,240
raise a lot of money that do it.

824
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,440
Two, if you're investing in the wrapper companies, the startups,

825
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,280
it's more of a gamble.

826
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:28,920
But the frontier companies, they make a lot of money on inference.

827
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,440
A lot.

828
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,620
Inference is where you as an AI company make the bread and butter

829
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:40,000
of literally making money.

830
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,560
like you or

831
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,480
usually the shovel providers

832
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,360
make a lot of their money

833
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,400
from the speculators

834
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,920
because

835
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,360
I don't even want to go into depth

836
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,340
just like super standard

837
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:56,040
and then eventually

838
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,760
and it did get shorthanded at every institution

839
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,420
like we were basically having

840
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,500
a contest of who can

841
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,440
spend the most credits or tokens

842
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,220
well you know

843
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:08,780
while all the speculation

844
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:13,660
is going on those who will have the shovels make a ton of money while other people speculate right

845
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:20,940
and um then the people that are providing the shovels end up running out of customers because

846
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:27,980
everybody that was speculating runs out of money to speculate after the speculation era is done

847
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:34,940
so then there's even another consolidation layer to like the infrastructure uh you know participants

848
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:44,100
And then from there, you'll see vertical integration if they really had some sort of like noble products or no, you know, advancements and whatever.

849
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:49,320
That's where you might see something like Anthropic even getting acquired if they don't have a successful IPO.

850
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:52,100
But I don't think they'll, I think they'll have a successful IPO.

851
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:59,060
I think until we reach the IPO case for AI Labs, we haven't reached the top.

852
00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:01,760
And that might be in September or December.

853
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,160
100%.

854
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:08,620
yeah i mean the risk is not that this technology is not going to continue to grow exponentially

855
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:15,180
the risk is that the companies are overspending because they know it is and they want to be the

856
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:20,780
market leader when it does yeah and that's like right now they're definitely overspending which

857
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:26,040
means as someone who's they're overspending to have a high valuation in terms of users so they

858
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,980
make an IPO and max extract.

859
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,020
Yeah, I mean, as someone who uses AI and pays for the subscriptions,

860
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:38,740
right now you're getting a better deal than perhaps has ever been offered in human history.

861
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:47,540
Like any normal person can go pay $200 and get like $100,000 worth of compute per month for $200.

862
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:51,580
It's like a, like an 1000x value.

863
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:57,600
uh it's like crazy how much money they're blowing for user acquisition right now

864
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:04,300
and this is the modern meta for big companies like uber netflix all of these things the youtube

865
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:10,340
they all lost money for user acquisition because they know if they have enough money to keep

866
00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:16,240
getting user acquisition and they do it long enough it's going to become part of like people's

867
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:21,600
habits. Like people just order Uber because they're hungry. Right. And so they subsidize it,

868
00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:26,340
they subsidize it, they subsidize it. And then enough people become, you know, it becomes part

869
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:30,480
of their habits. They don't have to subsidize it anymore. Right. And they just raise fees and

870
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,780
people will just be too lazy to go and drive and pick up food. And so they'll just use Uber.

871
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,580
And it's same with Netflix, same with fucking Netflix has, has did user acquisition forever

872
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:45,320
for years and years and years, never raised their fees. And now they raise their fees every fucking

873
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:51,500
year and no one quits their netflix subscription like like less than one percent of users do

874
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:57,640
just because it's a habit it's just like everyone has netflix it just naturally comes out of their

875
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:03,080
account every month and they just don't even think nothing of it just like me with apple music

876
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,840
i used to never use apple music and then i downloaded apple music and i started using

877
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:15,080
it and then it became a habit so it's the same same philosophy you know i had a book full of

878
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,200
CDs. Now I don't

879
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,620
even know.

880
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:21,160
The worst is when you look at

881
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,360
your bank account and you have

882
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,720
Adobe Suites

883
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,000
charged for $29.99 and you're

884
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,780
like, when the fuck was the last time I used that?

885
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:29,500
Oh yeah.

886
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:32,620
And that shit's been racking up every single month.

887
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:33,460
And you can't even cancel it.

888
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:36,760
That's a hilarious part.

889
00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:38,900
And not only that, but they have a

890
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:41,080
fucking complicated ass, different

891
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:41,820
interface.

892
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,900
The only way to get rid of them is to freeze

893
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:51,940
your credit card and get a new one tell codex to get rid of them yeah use tell codex to use

894
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:57,780
computer use and cancel all your services

895
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:03,700
actually chat gpt now has access to your finances you can like log in with you connect your fine you

896
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:08,580
connect your i did that show to just auto cancel them it's so good yeah i was just like bro i'm

897
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:14,660
i'm leaning into chat gpt right now i'm gonna connect all my finances to it like my banks

898
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:20,620
everything yeah it analyzes all your shit it's like you don't need this cancel cancel cancel

899
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:26,180
i use the overkill soul to analyze like a few items on my fucking spreadsheets

900
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:34,600
just like use the most powerful mod in the world what is what which subscription should i cancel

901
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,780
next and like it just like looks through oh yeah you should cancel this one it's like thanks

902
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:41,220
did like

903
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:44,420
$10,000 worth of credits

904
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:45,540
in that one session.

905
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:48,320
But it's like, you know,

906
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,260
it's all subsidized.

907
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,160
Worth it for us, yeah.

908
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:53,500
Save more money than we pay in

909
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:54,740
usage credits.

910
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:55,220
Yeah.

911
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,280
It looks like the rumor mill is

912
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,840
Fable's really going away on the 19th,

913
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:03,640
and we're getting Opus 5 instead

914
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,260
to make us feel

915
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:06,360
not hate,

916
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:07,080
not hate,

917
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:08,880
anthropic or some shit.

918
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:16,580
like

919
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:19,540
they will uh

920
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:22,740
they will attempt to appease people with opus 5

921
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:23,720
which is going to be funny

922
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,160
yeah

923
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,020
they just they don't have the compute

924
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:29,920
the cooked

925
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,480
yeah

926
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,160
either they keep fable on sub

927
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,740
and expand it so it can use 100%

928
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,740
of your sub instead of 50%

929
00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:47,260
bro they should just let fable be 25 just half it again and give people 25 and like that's enough

930
00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:53,240
for a lot of people to like keep this up it's not the prettiest but i mean if they want it to be

931
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:58,540
competitive like and not still lose half their customers like they really gotta stop bitching

932
00:52:58,540 --> 00:53:04,920
around they should just kill opus yeah put the full compute on fable and just say 100% your

933
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:11,660
compute yeah you get like sonnet and like fable that's it yeah because opus is just wasting all

934
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:16,460
their like they're wasting so much compute serving this massive s model that's just like

935
00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:23,100
well so what i heard what i saw earlier and i i'm driving so i can't link it but like

936
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,800
i i heard from someone earlier and they could have just been bullshitting but

937
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,180
apparently they're gonna release opus 5

938
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:30,840
That's what I said.

939
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:31,440
Yeah.

940
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,940
Dude, this is the same shit as Sonnet 5.

941
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,340
They're just distilling Fable onto Opus.

942
00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:38,980
It's like...

943
00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:42,540
It doesn't quite work as well.

944
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,360
Sonnet.

945
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,120
Of course it's not going to be as good as Fable,

946
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,020
but it's definitely going to be better than Opus 4.8.

947
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:52,000
If you think about it,

948
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,760
a lot of people didn't like 4.8 over 4.6,

949
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,920
is what I've seen in some of the people's analysis.

950
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,180
4.7 was worse than 4.8, I think, for a lot of people.

951
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,760
There were trade-offs between even 4.7 and 4.8.

952
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,100
They openly admitted that one of the trade-offs,

953
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,480
like if you're building agentic systems,

954
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:20,180
you don't want your agentic system to be easily manipulated.

955
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:25,880
4.8 is much more easily manipulated than 4.7 or 4.6.

956
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:36,140
4.8 yeah it does better at alignment but at the cost of also being like more easily manipulable

957
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:43,720
uh and they had like a whole article about this so 6 was a nice like rogue guy that would just like

958
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:50,220
literally it would not listen to you to try to carry out your intent like that's how intent

959
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:52,460
intense, like, literally insane it was.

960
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,560
As intense. 4.8, the problem is

961
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,060
even if you make it better,

962
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:58,280
one, I strongly

963
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,400
doubt it's going to be as good as Soul,

964
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:02,000
which is what they would have to do.

965
00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,380
And two, they'd have to give you

966
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:06,040
comparable credits, which I

967
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,480
insanely doubt that's

968
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,220
going to happen. In which case, like,

969
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,500
basically, your hypothesis

970
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:14,320
is that Anthropic

971
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,360
is fucked. No,

972
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,300
my hypothesis is that,

973
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:22,800
One, they're getting toasted right now really badly because of compute constraints.

974
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,380
Because Dario has publicly said...

975
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:29,040
But again, if they can't offer...

976
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,940
And I understand what you're saying, but if they can't offer Fable because of these compute constraints,

977
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:40,560
and they end up having to offer a subpar model, they're going to end up fucked.

978
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Because people like Esco are going to end up feeling obliged to switch

979
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:51,660
once people like you and I and Casey are all over here telling him about they're getting cooked

980
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:57,200
they're getting cooked right now they have two options one retail doesn't matter to them they

981
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,920
decide this and they just say fuck it we're done with fable they lose all their retail customers

982
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,960
all all the subs cancel and then they just rely on enterprise yeah and that's that's fine but the

983
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,900
The problem is enterprise that isn't decided,

984
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:16,680
the reason that enterprises choose things

985
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,520
is because some CTO or someone at the company tries it,

986
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,800
you know, and they're like, oh, this is really good.

987
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,240
You know, I'm gonna bring this in.

988
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,140
I'm gonna make this thing for the company.

989
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:28,320
It's not just like you just reach out to an enterprise

990
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,900
and be like, yeah, here's the API.

991
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:33,720
No one can try it, but so yeah, it's like,

992
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,100
I don't, I see, okay, that'll work for a little bit,

993
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,480
but eventually if everyone is talking about

994
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,300
great fucking codex is and how shitty Claude is people at work are not gonna

995
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:48,080
want to use Claude they'll be like fuck this shit right not even based on like

996
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,840
their own empirical evidence that they've collected but just based on what

997
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,000
other people are saying 100% and so it's like yeah they're they're toast they

998
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,380
got a reorient they got to cancel all the shitty models and just serve fable

999
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:05,320
and then they can compete in the market.

1000
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:09,060
I think for the most part, I agree.

1001
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:12,460
And then, you know, I would even be okay

1002
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:16,120
if they got rid of the $100 subscription

1003
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,920
and made it so there was a $200 and $400.

1004
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:22,400
Like, I would pay for a $200 subscription,

1005
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:26,500
which is basically the $100 subscription a day,

1006
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:31,380
but with the full amount available to be used for Fable

1007
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:33,340
because right now it's a 50%, right?

1008
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:41,040
so it's like double your costs stop with the the 50 limiting and then

1009
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:49,160
keep retail subscriptions as a thing or just get rid of them like you said but yeah i mean whatever

1010
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:55,000
happens my company is going to keep paying for my subscription so it's like whatever happens i'll

1011
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,400
just use whatever they got in addition because i like the i like the dual model approach even opus

1012
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:10,740
is still good at you know part of the reason that uh their customers are able to justify it

1013
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:18,680
is because they're able to expend it right so like io or shielded in the context of your employer

1014
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:26,700
is not losing money at all when they go and pay for uh codex or for claude because they're able

1015
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:34,940
to just say oh it's an expense and then they're just saving that money on taxes uh so

1016
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:45,920
yeah the problem to me is that 4.8 is was okay like two months ago but now grok 4.5 is better

1017
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:53,420
than opus 4.8 which is like oh like oh damn you are cooked if grok is better than your model

1018
00:58:53,420 --> 00:59:02,600
yeah yeah that's actually true like grok 4.5 is like significantly better than opus say like 10

1019
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:10,220
to 20 better than opus 4.8 and it's like 30 times cheaper which is like damn insane if i didn't have

1020
00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:17,040
my plan subsidized i'd probably use grok with uh chat gpt as i've heard a lot of people saying the

1021
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:25,260
reason that they were able to do this is because they basically got like and I

1022
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:29,800
assume this is what they did they got some sort of agreement set up with

1023
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:35,320
anthropic to where they could leverage the data from their computation so they

1024
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,600
could say okay here's the computation trace we're able to use that for our own

1025
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:45,480
purposes right that's the only way that I could see them being able to do this

1026
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,500
I don't think that the cursor deal that they have is nearly enough.

1027
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:56,160
So otherwise, I'm like, how did they do it, right?

1028
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:59,320
They have a lot of hardware.

1029
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,340
They have an insane amount of hardware.

1030
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,460
Everyone made fun of Elon for buying so much hardware.

1031
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:06,800
Yeah, of course, of course.

1032
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:08,140
They have a lot of hardware.

1033
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:10,460
Anthropix renting their hardware, that's my point.

1034
01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:20,640
But I think that they used Anthropix traces on their compute in order to train their own model.

1035
01:00:20,860 --> 01:00:22,880
They probably had an agreement for that shit.

1036
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:30,560
But also the Cursor acquisition was insanely smart because he had the compute.

1037
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:37,880
He just didn't have a team that knew how to utilize the compute to squeeze juice out of it to build a good model.

1038
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:44,380
and cursor had no compute but they built one of the most competitive cheap models the cursor

1039
01:00:44,380 --> 01:00:51,840
composed 2.5 which was like yeah it was like a like a frontier reinforcement learned model

1040
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:58,020
and so they squeezed a shit ton out of just very little hardware and essentially no money

1041
01:00:58,020 --> 01:01:03,260
to build like an acceptable model yeah if you give them like a whole compute center

1042
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:09,040
like they they probably did well after it's like going from developing on like an n64 to developing

1043
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:15,080
on like a modern desktop yeah i can think about it like cursor probably because they were involved

1044
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:21,720
you know they forked ps code became this little thing at the beginning started having their own

1045
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:29,240
little models as composers and slowly kind of grew into something that was actually like semi-impressive

1046
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:36,240
for like what they had they were gpu poor and they still managed to like maintain some semblance

1047
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,980
of competitiveness and the best thing that ever happened to them is possible like elon took an

1048
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:48,440
interest in them and they're like all right now we got fucking racks for days yeah and also they

1049
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,980
want to show off that they can produce a frontier model like if you look at the marketing it says

1050
01:01:52,980 --> 01:02:01,060
grok 4.5 was produced with cursor yeah with the cursor team so it's like oh they really wanted to

1051
01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:05,900
flex it'd be like look we did it with compose but it's not just toy models we can do it with

1052
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:11,280
if we have a big data center we can do frontier models too yep

1053
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:25,480
yeah and so they gotta opus has gotta go i think it's just in a bad spot like

1054
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:32,300
just redirect all that compute it's taking massive amounts of compute because all this

1055
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:37,360
shit is running on opus and it's like just legacy like everyone who built their apps and hasn't

1056
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:44,600
updated and all this stuff and just all running on opus and it's just not not in a good position

1057
01:02:44,600 --> 01:03:03,240
as a model right now yeah and also they have to fucking fire whoever's running their social media

1058
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:09,100
accounts just posting like every day right before the reset ends hey we're extending fable like two

1059
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:15,040
days yeah it's like the worst they used to be titans of the fucking pr they used to be like

1060
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:22,420
actual titans of the uh social media game like they had boris who was like on top of shit like

1061
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:28,080
they were doing really well i remember last year like towards the end of last year they were fucking

1062
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,400
crushing it.

1063
01:03:31,060 --> 01:03:32,240
It was like

1064
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,340
a game of like open AI has got to catch up.

1065
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,140
Now open AI is like

1066
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:37,940
crushing them on social media

1067
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:39,460
and now on models too.

1068
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:41,180
That's actually kind of crazy.

1069
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,060
Everyone always kind of said

1070
01:03:44,060 --> 01:03:46,100
like, oh, I get the feeling ChatGPT has a

1071
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:48,180
smarter model. I never really saw that

1072
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:50,140
to be honest. I saw that

1073
01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:52,160
it was like useful, but

1074
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,500
it had like some of the worst

1075
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:58,060
like in TypeScript, it had like some of the worst

1076
01:03:58,060 --> 01:04:05,820
habits yeah yeah i mean they were pretty close and claude had a much better style and much was much

1077
01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:13,100
more pleasant to communicate to which like that was very important because slop is very bad yeah

1078
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:19,660
but now it's just that can't carry you forever like when the model capacity gets way better

1079
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:23,820
then it's like okay well being nice to talk to is isn't that good anymore

1080
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:38,480
and also the alignment shit it's just like a torrential storm of shit just like fucking

1081
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:45,880
perma downgrading you to opus uh just bad decisions all around yeah

1082
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:54,300
and i think with gpt 6.0 coming out later this month

1083
01:04:54,300 --> 01:05:04,240
we fuck anthropic better pay they have like another fable enhancement in the pipeline yeah

1084
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:13,540
yeah because if uh gp6 gpt6 has like even just normal availability maybe not fast mode just like

1085
01:05:13,540 --> 01:05:21,780
normal availability where you can use it as like a oracle model or like a you get stuck somewhere

1086
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:27,400
and you just like you can like slap it in there and use it like it's you know fucking game over

1087
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:33,460
i linked uh a little harness that i found uh phil well i found it a while back but i was waiting

1088
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:39,400
for it to kind of mature a little bit it's kind of like the it's like the uh don't worry about

1089
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,500
subagents, this thing manages

1090
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:42,480
all that shit for you.

1091
01:05:43,060 --> 01:05:44,040
And it's just open code.

1092
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:46,660
Oh, that's awesome.

1093
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:49,900
It's like a fork of open code.

1094
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,340
I gotta check.

1095
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:57,540
España will face the winner

1096
01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:59,720
of England in nothing.

1097
01:05:59,780 --> 01:06:00,220
Oh, they won.

1098
01:06:02,220 --> 01:06:03,500
Yeah, it's over.

1099
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:05,000
Game blouses.

1100
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,740
France was slated to win.

1101
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:07,940
Oof.

1102
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:09,040
Tough.

1103
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:18,020
and also cerberus the the 750 token per second yeah gpt soul is coming out that's like like

1104
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:26,460
literally crazy but same cost like the ability 10 to 15 times fast there's no way they offer

1105
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:33,580
that on subscription if they do it's like literally game over like i would like say that would like

1106
01:06:33,580 --> 01:06:35,680
be the single damning thing in like

1107
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,740
Anthropix IPO. It's like that

1108
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:39,480
kind of news where they're like

1109
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,880
they're like yeah these guys run chat GPT

1110
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,660
6 at fuck soul

1111
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:45,540
at fucking

1112
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:47,360
750 tokens per second.

1113
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,720
That's like way too crazy.

1114
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:52,920
That would literally

1115
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,540
fuck up.

1116
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,160
Yeah it's on

1117
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,760
this is a whether this will actually

1118
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,540
because Cerberus did

1119
01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:09,720
flop spark you know they did 5.3 spark and their goal was to launch it at the same quality

1120
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:17,080
but it was clear at the time that it was worse than 5.3 but they apparently say this time they're

1121
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:25,260
going to they're guaranteeing that 5.6 spark is going to be the same quality as 5.6 just more

1122
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:26,660
tokens for a second.

1123
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,300
Which is just, will they land the ship or not?

1124
01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:33,260
If they do, yeah, I think they're

1125
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:34,820
anthropic cooked.

1126
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:53,540
...

1127
01:07:55,260 --> 01:08:10,620
It's a little bit of clanking.

1128
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:14,400
GPT 5.6 is now available in Slate.

1129
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,400
What is this?

1130
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:23,680
It's a token harness that I think is pretty interesting.

1131
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:34,480
It's like, it does the whole recursive model approach.

1132
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:38,700
So it's like rather than you telling it to use subagents, rather than it deciding how

1133
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:47,800
many subagents, it's like the harness cleverly kind of interprets how many agents you need.

1134
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,520
And then it'll load skills into like only the subagent instead of the main context.

1135
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:59,580
it's actually pretty intelligent for what it does um i don't know

1136
01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:08,260
i mostly just trying to use clodex at this point because i agree it's it's actually convenient to

1137
01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:14,020
like start something in fable switch the model for the same thread and then just have like

1138
01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:23,540
codex using the the brain thoughts from fable it's kind of interesting yeah but no bro they're

1139
01:09:23,540 --> 01:09:28,960
just extracting your brain haven't you heard big bags they're extracting your brain it's literally

1140
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:34,740
like you start off religious conspiracy once it makes that first edit you just switch over to

1141
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:42,420
soul and you just have it finish yep and actually works really well yep you get like uh

1142
01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:52,660
get that full live experience which i'm nearly out of uh credits

1143
01:09:56,340 --> 01:09:58,580
i got 20 to go until tomorrow

1144
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:10,340
when's the reset uh yeah tomorrow oh nice so like 24 hours from now i get another 100 that i can use

1145
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:12,340
still 19th which is nice

1146
01:10:18,980 --> 01:10:24,020
but like i said i will just end up using claude and chat to pt together in some fashion

1147
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:32,580
some fashion i will use these models together um i have both subscriptions and it's like if i

1148
01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:34,980
don't use them both they go they just kind of go to waste

1149
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:42,660
so i just throw them both at every problem and see if

1150
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:49,500
and sometimes i just like have small tasks to do and i just prompt either one depending on

1151
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:51,100
whichever i've opened

1152
01:10:51,100 --> 01:11:00,480
shout outs to this computer having pretty much the most shit battery ever dude

1153
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:12,960
laptop it dies so fast no it's a fucking pc oh yeah and uh is that it's like is that razor

1154
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:19,180
it's like only pcs like really recently can compete with like apple battery life

1155
01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:26,180
well dude i'm telling like the computer is fire it's got like a 4090 blah blah blah like a sick

1156
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:27,800
when it's plugged in.

1157
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:30,300
But because of the very same reason, the battery is shit.

1158
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:32,100
Because it has the craziest

1159
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,640
resolution, the craziest

1160
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,900
GPU, the craziest

1161
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:38,500
memory. And it just fucking cooks the battery.

1162
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,440
Killer components in the laptop.

1163
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:42,200
And then you're like... Exactly.

1164
01:11:42,580 --> 01:11:43,980
You're basically like just

1165
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:46,340
draining that shit for like the simplest shit.

1166
01:11:46,340 --> 01:11:48,080
Like fast AF.

1167
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:50,040
Boy, just for having it on a minute,

1168
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,640
it'll probably take like 10% battery off.

1169
01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:54,180
Because it's got to like keep all the lights running.

1170
01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:55,260
Whatever.

1171
01:11:56,180 --> 01:12:01,700
that's annoying so i could only claim so much and then he just died on me mid typing

1172
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:09,220
mid prompting what are we gonna do now that the game is over man do we have another game let me

1173
01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:19,300
check let me check let me check um tomorrow argentina in england is tomorrow

1174
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:26,300
no yeah it is tomorrow yeah wow

1175
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:43,600
let's start blocking fucking accounts bro it's not even blocking just mute them

1176
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:50,440
you know those accounts that like you know the actual person yeah yeah you know you

1177
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:56,920
that you actually interacted with them but then they repost things that go viral so try and

1178
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:03,600
catch the attention from those things oh yeah yeah i mute those it is absolutely annoying bro

1179
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,540
i meet those people like right away like i saw their like i saw their original post

1180
01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:14,220
that was going crazy but then now you just like reposted it you reposted the video with

1181
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:22,540
the same quote and everything china is just like cringe yeah

1182
01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:35,580
now i got no battery i can't even clink the beers don't taste as good if you're not clanking bro

1183
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:44,100
So I gotta find a place where I can sit and plug in.

1184
01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:22,540
so

1185
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:49,120
What else we're doing Riley you're finally making it home to go grocery shopping or what's going on

1186
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:57,200
but yeah i stopped at my parents house uh grabbed my old guitar i'm gonna stop at the grocery store

1187
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:11,680
here in just a second uh we're hurt her in 20. heard her 26 former meta employees

1188
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,360
26 former meta employees

1189
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,340
sued the company

1190
01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:19,260
for allegedly using AI

1191
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:19,920
to target

1192
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,200
disabled workers

1193
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,760
and those on medical

1194
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,120
leave for layoffs

1195
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,940
the world is so cool

1196
01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:35,200
you fired me I'm going to find a reason to

1197
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:35,940
say you're down

1198
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:37,820
and they're probably going to win it

1199
01:15:37,820 --> 01:15:41,220
absolutely because the world is woke

1200
01:15:41,220 --> 01:15:41,660
It was fun.

1201
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,280
Oh, you targeted that on the wheelchair and shit.

1202
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,000
That's kind of rude.

1203
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:49,000
But it's true.

1204
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:50,580
That's for sure.

1205
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:00,680
Oh, you targeted the guy that wore their shoes inside your house after you told him not to wear their shoes inside your house.

1206
01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:03,100
And it's your house.

1207
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:05,540
And it's your house.

1208
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:09,040
Somehow they're mad at you because you have rules in your house.

1209
01:16:09,980 --> 01:16:10,500
Wild.

1210
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:13,020
Who could imagine?

1211
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:15,360
It's 2026.

1212
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:16,240
This will happen.

1213
01:16:18,940 --> 01:16:20,460
You know what, Ethic?

1214
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,620
I think having rules in your house

1215
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:24,940
is actually racist.

1216
01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:31,360
I think they're only racist

1217
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,380
if you write the rule

1218
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,340
on a piece of paper with the color

1219
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:41,180
of whoever you're being indiscriminate to.

1220
01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:43,200
Most pens are black, Esco.

1221
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,000
Well, there's all kinds of other color pens, you see.

1222
01:16:48,380 --> 01:16:50,520
I've never seen a white pen, Esco.

1223
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,060
I have.

1224
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,660
Absolutely have.

1225
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,280
You can't be racist against white people because there are no white pens.

1226
01:16:57,900 --> 01:16:58,980
That is calf.

1227
01:16:59,540 --> 01:17:03,260
Your logic actually aligns with the lefty logic, bro.

1228
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:04,040
You get it now.

1229
01:17:04,180 --> 01:17:05,880
No, no, no, no, no.

1230
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,620
There are definitely white pens.

1231
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:08,900
What do you mean?

1232
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:09,520
No.

1233
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,560
They just need a black piece of paper.

1234
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:14,080
There are no white pens.

1235
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,240
There totally is.

1236
01:17:16,260 --> 01:17:17,900
There's white colored pencils.

1237
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,100
No, there's white pens too.

1238
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:24,840
You were just deprived from having...

1239
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:29,300
You are just deprived from having white pens.

1240
01:17:29,660 --> 01:17:31,360
Esco's always been a creative kid.

1241
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,700
That's why he makes shit up.

1242
01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:34,340
Exactly.

1243
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:34,940
Yeah.

1244
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,000
you want me to google a white pen

1245
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:48,940
yeah i got a pen that sprays white

1246
01:17:48,940 --> 01:18:04,300
yo damn man wow like what that was a crazy white gel pen white gel pen huh man yeah look at it

1247
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:05,500
specific with that one.

1248
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,160
See, Uniball gel

1249
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,160
impact pen broadpoint.

1250
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:12,520
Boom. White gel pen.

1251
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,760
Japanese. Yes, it is white, bro.

1252
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:16,320
You're just the only fucking kid

1253
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,660
that never had a white pen.

1254
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,140
Why the fuck would you have a white pen?

1255
01:18:20,260 --> 01:18:21,160
Paper is white.

1256
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,160
There's other

1257
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,280
colored paper.

1258
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,140
Paper can be black.

1259
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,320
Paper can be yellow sometimes.

1260
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,960
Paper can be red.

1261
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:33,980
White, bro.

1262
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:35,380
Paper can't be blue though.

1263
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,300
I never...

1264
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:37,560
Well, I'm going to take silver.

1265
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,720
He just proved his own racism.

1266
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,120
Trying to call me a racist.

1267
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,140
I'm going to click.

1268
01:18:47,460 --> 01:18:48,440
Keep on this shit.

1269
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:49,420
How do I keep on this shit?

1270
01:18:49,460 --> 01:18:50,380
Oh, I got to park first.

1271
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,240
That's going to keep the temperature in here cool.

1272
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:59,480
I go into this location.

1273
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:07,880
Yo, so did you guys catch the dollar sign song ticker pump?

1274
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:11,880
What is that?

1275
01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:15,000
Oh, you didn't?

1276
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,340
See, you're not supporting your ecosystem?

1277
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,480
I see how this is.

1278
01:19:18,580 --> 01:19:19,020
You're racist.

1279
01:19:19,940 --> 01:19:20,840
Ticker racist.

1280
01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:21,700
Yep.

1281
01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:22,320
Nice.

1282
01:19:23,380 --> 01:19:24,240
Ticker hetero.

1283
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:48,020
Yo, MFs be crazy, bro.

1284
01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:57,020
I can't wait till somebody just, a real software engineer that knows their shit, goes and absolutely

1285
01:19:57,020 --> 01:20:00,740
sodomizes their fucking code base.

1286
01:20:01,660 --> 01:20:07,800
It is, it's so insane how some little MFs that you know they're not software engineers

1287
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,780
are now all of a sudden claiming this and that, all this other stuff.

1288
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:14,540
It would be like me

1289
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:16,160
being like

1290
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,800
boasting about what I'm doing

1291
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,480
with Claude. Like, oh my god, I'm

1292
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,080
putting out like repo

1293
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,460
links and

1294
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:26,240
what do you call this? Articles.

1295
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,100
Articles of

1296
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:30,640
I made a blog

1297
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,380
website, bro.

1298
01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:34,580
That was like the favorite thing back in the

1299
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:36,500
day. Is everyone making

1300
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:37,480
their blog website?

1301
01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:40,560
Now people use AI to make their blog

1302
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,440
website instead.

1303
01:20:41,780 --> 01:20:44,300
it's just when people read like

1304
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:46,400
they do the whole like article thing

1305
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,500
about this and that like they just discovered

1306
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:50,300
North America under Cristobal

1307
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:50,740
Columbus

1308
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:54,460
I really wish

1309
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:56,100
I could be a

1310
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:57,640
gray hat

1311
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,400
I wouldn't even want to be a white hat because

1312
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,200
Riley just showed me there's no white

1313
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,500
pants and black hats

1314
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,160
are just bad so I'd be

1315
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,620
in the mid zone just bountying

1316
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:10,900
it up just finding all the bounties

1317
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:13,080
and making sure that I got this.

1318
01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:13,900
Exactly.

1319
01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:15,440
And then giving the money back

1320
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:16,920
after they give you the check.

1321
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:18,300
Exactly.

1322
01:21:18,660 --> 01:21:19,520
I'd just be like,

1323
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:19,900
hey,

1324
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:22,720
I have access now

1325
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,960
to your database

1326
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:24,940
and all your shit

1327
01:21:24,940 --> 01:21:27,340
and this is how I can prove it

1328
01:21:27,340 --> 01:21:29,740
and then you're going to give me this shit

1329
01:21:29,740 --> 01:21:31,340
and I'm going to fucking delete everything

1330
01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:33,580
for you being a little braggy-ass

1331
01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:35,040
vibe-com-ass motherfucker.

1332
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:35,860
There you go.

1333
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:36,800
That was all I'm going to do.

1334
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:44,620
would that be bad would i get like in trouble for considerable blackmail or something

1335
01:21:44,620 --> 01:21:54,100
i mean people might try to file criminal lawsuits against you now whether they'll hold up or

1336
01:21:54,100 --> 01:22:00,960
yeah whether it holds up in court is another question oh if they have bounties that means

1337
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:08,000
that they're incentivizing you to do it um i don't like most people don't really have bounties anymore

1338
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,960
i think that's going away yes there's a lot of people that's or

1339
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:21,040
still bounties out there but they're either super niche and like they have a strong rejection ratio

1340
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:30,640
like bounties are usually from devs or like uh otherwise they just get abused to

1341
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:43,360
i'm gonna put out a one thousand dollar bounty bro you'll get so many people that'll like

1342
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:50,320
try to like submit bouncy for you it's funny yep and then i will do

1343
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,400
And then you will tell them all that they were wrong.

1344
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,080
And then just fix the bugs.

1345
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:55,960
They'll never pay them.

1346
01:22:57,140 --> 01:22:57,500
Yeah.

1347
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:05,620
People will waste their fucking massive amounts of tokens trying to collect a thousand dollar bounty.

1348
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:07,720
They'll be like, no, a guy proved this.

1349
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:08,660
And you'll be like, nope.

1350
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:10,240
Improved jack shit.

1351
01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:18,100
My clinker said your shit doesn't fucking actually matter or isn't actually a real thing.

1352
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:19,960
And then you just fix that shit anyways.

1353
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:21,520
Exactly.

1354
01:23:21,820 --> 01:23:23,580
Thank you, but I ain't paying you shit.

1355
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,420
Just like the other day

1356
01:23:25,420 --> 01:23:27,420
that what Phil was mentioning

1357
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:29,640
that some people just got cooked on a bounty.

1358
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:31,660
Now I would be

1359
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:33,540
trying to destroy that company

1360
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:35,680
from then on forward to see if I got cooked like that.

1361
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:37,540
Yeah. Apple did that

1362
01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:38,340
to a bunch of people.

1363
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,280
Apple's like,

1364
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,980
yeah, we fixed that shit.

1365
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,280
What's up?

1366
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,040
We fixed it. I'm saying

1367
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,220
IBM is crashing.

1368
01:23:49,780 --> 01:23:50,420
Other stock?

1369
01:23:51,040 --> 01:24:00,960
Yeah.

1370
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:01,020
Yeah.

1371
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:13,980
I bet IBM has been in this weird spot for a minute.

1372
01:24:13,980 --> 01:24:23,740
I just downloaded an Unreal Engine 5 asset pack to create a first-person shooter video game.

1373
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:26,060
The old game!

1374
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:31,180
Now you throw the clinker at it and watch this clinker.

1375
01:24:34,940 --> 01:24:39,660
No, makes it real because it's already unreal, dude. It has to realize it.

1376
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:43,180
I think you're gonna realize the vision.

1377
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:46,580
Who is open code? Who maintains open code?

1378
01:24:47,580 --> 01:24:48,180
Dax.

1379
01:24:49,380 --> 01:24:51,000
Guy from Miami and shit.

1380
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,260
Why is this harness crushing in the benchmarks?

1381
01:24:57,660 --> 01:24:59,780
Is it V2 or V1 that's crushing?

1382
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,720
Have you tried the open code? It just says open code.

1383
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,180
I tried it like a minute ago.

1384
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,220
That's actually what Slate's based on, the one I shared.

1385
01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:11,580
Uh...

1386
01:25:13,180 --> 01:25:15,700
I don't know. Maybe I should go back to open code at some point.

1387
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,900
I hear they have really good results with ChatGPT also.

1388
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,960
I need to remove that all my open code shit, though.

1389
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:29,720
That shit was just buggy.

1390
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:35,340
I am on an absolute roll of muting people.

1391
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:38,280
Like, I love this because, you know, they just changed...

1392
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,140
The reason why it's important to mute people now

1393
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:43,100
is because they just changed the algorithm.

1394
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,020
And the algorithm now is far more suggestive

1395
01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:47,560
about the people they actually follow,

1396
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,220
they follow you, and this and that,

1397
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,760
rather than just, like, you know, the fuck shit.

1398
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:54,720
So I'm...

1399
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:55,960
I'm surprised you don't block people.

1400
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:56,620
I'm muted there, boss.

1401
01:25:56,940 --> 01:25:58,220
But I guess you're...

1402
01:25:58,220 --> 01:26:03,680
To be honest, I should block their ass anyways.

1403
01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:05,060
Yeah.

1404
01:26:06,220 --> 01:26:07,940
I usually default to block,

1405
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,580
unless I have, like, a good reason to mute.

1406
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:12,660
I don't care.

1407
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,080
I don't have some online reputation

1408
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:16,780
I'm trying to maintain.

1409
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:19,200
I'm just trying to keep my timeline clean.

1410
01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:21,440
And for me,

1411
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:25,920
if I like you,

1412
01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:26,760
I'll just mute you.

1413
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,320
If I don't like you,

1414
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:29,400
I'm going to block you.

1415
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:31,580
For me, it's like strike one.

1416
01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:32,440
Or don't know you.

1417
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:33,620
Strike two.

1418
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:34,900
What did you say?

1419
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,820
For me, it's more like strike one.

1420
01:26:40,140 --> 01:26:46,140
mute strike two is just three blocks

1421
01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:02,140
can you hear me or did i lose the wi-fi yeah i can hear you

1422
01:27:10,140 --> 01:27:13,200
The one thing I like about Oh My Pie

1423
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,280
is I can see when my resets expire.

1424
01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:17,180
Because for some

1425
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:18,840
fucking reason you can't see that shit

1426
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,820
in other harnesses.

1427
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:29,620
Some fucking reason.

1428
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:32,660
Where do you even

1429
01:27:32,660 --> 01:27:35,140
run into something called Oh My Pie?

1430
01:27:35,140 --> 01:27:37,240
God damn, they just fucking

1431
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,820
reset Chachibet again.

1432
01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:40,020
How do you run into that?

1433
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:43,960
How do you run into something called Oh My Pot, first of all?

1434
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,500
I run into all the...

1435
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:48,120
I know every AI tool.

1436
01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:49,620
Literally every single one.

1437
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,360
So you'll be just searching...

1438
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,660
I'm one of those fucking people that, like, used to be in the...

1439
01:27:54,660 --> 01:28:00,000
Like, instead of getting one-shotted by, like, customizing NeoVim or some bullshit like that,

1440
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:04,620
I instead got in the space of fucking knowing about AI tools.

1441
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:05,700
It's a pain in the ass.

1442
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,900
But now I know, like, fucking all of them.

1443
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:16,360
damn you were just you're just out there looking i was just like i knew about oh my open code

1444
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:24,900
so i started from cloud code open code oh my open code and then i heard later on about oh my pie

1445
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:30,860
i know about um you know codex is a pretty standard one that's not not impressive to

1446
01:28:30,860 --> 01:28:40,740
know about that one um what the fuck was that other one i have uh i mean hermes which i i knew

1447
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:45,160
about hermes before they got like pretty popular now now i'd say like most people know about hermes

1448
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:53,540
um i know about conductor there was like a droid i know about those those are like more niche

1449
01:28:53,540 --> 01:28:59,640
harnesses um charm is like a really niche one there's like a few other ones i've seen that are

1450
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:05,980
like super niche like harder to say if you have support or not slate is like a newer one that i

1451
01:29:05,980 --> 01:29:14,160
saw that's like very recent um in terms of like how long ago it forked open code and that one is

1452
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:20,720
like sub agent maxing it's like the idea that your your main agent doesn't do jack shit it's

1453
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:26,520
just an orchestrator at all times but unlike other ones like droid it's like built from the ground up

1454
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,380
for like recursive orchestration.

1455
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:33,420
See, son.

1456
01:29:34,460 --> 01:29:36,920
Yeah, I know way too many fucking harnesses.

1457
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:41,420
And then I know like all the little settings for harnesses

1458
01:29:41,420 --> 01:29:43,500
and how to configure your code code

1459
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:46,220
so that it like doesn't have a system problem.

1460
01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:48,840
Hanging out with you at MFs every day

1461
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,780
is like you stay at the cutting edge of all this shit.

1462
01:29:53,780 --> 01:29:56,780
I mean, most of this shit is not...

1463
01:29:56,780 --> 01:29:59,760
Like, the harness shit isn't really cutting edge.

1464
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,460
People argue that you get better results with a harness.

1465
01:30:02,900 --> 01:30:04,700
But do you know what gets better results than a harness?

1466
01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:08,220
Actually just knowing the thing you're trying to do.

1467
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,620
Like, prompt ChatGPT on the web or clawed on the web.

1468
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:15,960
Learn about the thing you're trying to do.

1469
01:30:15,980 --> 01:30:18,240
Let me reword what I was saying.

1470
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,380
Sorry, sorry. I'm being pedantic as fuck.

1471
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,380
Yeah, you are. You mean a little bit.

1472
01:30:23,780 --> 01:30:33,000
you motherfucker no no like like because you guys do this every day for a living and shit

1473
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:42,340
then obviously you guys are always looking into the most optimum fucking everything right

1474
01:30:42,340 --> 01:30:47,760
so that's what i meant by like on the cutting edge sort of thing because i would be

1475
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:52,660
in the very back of the bus not even in the back of the bus i'd be like the

1476
01:30:52,660 --> 01:30:55,260
fucking utility trailer

1477
01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:56,980
being towed by the bus

1478
01:30:56,980 --> 01:30:59,420
if I wasn't hanging out around you guys.

1479
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:04,440
Oh, yeah.

1480
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,380
I mean, yeah, you get

1481
01:31:06,380 --> 01:31:08,880
that advantage.

1482
01:31:12,260 --> 01:31:13,380
You get some shit.

1483
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:15,240
100%.

1484
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,620
Yo, you see the shit I posted

1485
01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:18,960
in the group chat earlier?

1486
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:20,840
Don't mention it in public, but yeah.

1487
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,100
Oh, I haven't even looked at it once, though.

1488
01:31:26,020 --> 01:31:26,420
Jeez.

1489
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,400
Are you talking about on Monday?

1490
01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:32,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1491
01:31:32,740 --> 01:31:33,300
Okay, okay.

1492
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:33,480
Not today.

1493
01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:34,740
Yesterday, yesterday.

1494
01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:36,980
Yeah, I was wondering if it was on today.

1495
01:31:37,180 --> 01:31:37,640
Yeah, okay.

1496
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:38,620
Yeah, I saw.

1497
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:40,340
No, that's super fire.

1498
01:31:40,980 --> 01:31:42,520
Yeah, hopefully we can scheme, bro.

1499
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:43,580
Just trying to scheme.

1500
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:44,300
Yeah, yeah.

1501
01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:50,660
Let's get as many of our, like, fucking products into that realm of...

1502
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:56,180
them knowing about it into the mix into the mix of conversation dude yeah

1503
01:31:56,180 --> 01:32:03,220
because we're versatile we're not just they reset they reset yeah they reset i they literally

1504
01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:08,540
reset i was about to say bro thank god i didn't use one of my resets dude i know i was thinking

1505
01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:14,800
about using my reset in a few days bro they literally reset again this shit is so fucking

1506
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,740
crazy literally they've been resetting almost every day like every other day they've been

1507
01:32:19,740 --> 01:32:27,600
doing a reset and you get a week that you can spend it in a day it's insane i was at 70 percent

1508
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,420
and now i'm back at 99 i don't even know what the like i'm just gonna fucking

1509
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:40,980
bill start using slate it uses up your credits faster dude what i've been doing is using codex

1510
01:32:40,980 --> 01:32:47,560
the the codex harness when only when i'm near the end of my credits i use cloud everything else

1511
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:54,040
and then when i get near the end of my credits i use codex i set like three or four gold tasks

1512
01:32:54,040 --> 01:33:02,520
using soul ultra and i tell it to persist the max sub agents and then it'll just because open ai if

1513
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:09,720
you start a task on sub 30 minutes before the end of your usage it will just run the goal to

1514
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:16,440
completion regardless of how long it takes so it's just each task runs like four max agents and

1515
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:18,820
And this shit runs for 22 hours, dude.

1516
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,820
I got like 100 hours worth of max,

1517
01:33:22,180 --> 01:33:26,800
like 20 total agents in max reasoning

1518
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,740
from the past day,

1519
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,760
from when my credits were dead.

1520
01:33:31,180 --> 01:33:32,800
So that must have been like hundreds,

1521
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:36,300
like at least 80K USD worth of compute.

1522
01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:41,540
Dude.

1523
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,960
I just set up Slate,

1524
01:33:44,060 --> 01:33:45,120
so now it works with Herder.

1525
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:54,040
i'm insane i don't know why i had like the same uh endpoints that open code does so i just exposed

1526
01:33:54,040 --> 01:34:01,680
those and now i like can now herder can check the status of slate i fucking did it again

1527
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:13,480
wow okay just fucking spawn up some fucking salvations

1528
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:43,460
Thank you.

1529
01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:57,420
all right well then we have a fucking week's worth of credits to go again

1530
01:34:57,420 --> 01:35:02,820
i have three days to use up these fucking credits

1531
01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:10,560
before my reset expires it expires in like three days like three hours

1532
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:21,720
so are you able to see when your resets expire like even to the hour yeah where is that on codex

1533
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:31,460
yeah codex usage remaining uh resets uh and then it shows you the date

1534
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:40,720
oh i see it doesn't have that on the desktop version which is annoying as fuck okay no wait

1535
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:46,760
it says the date no it doesn't say the hour oh yeah yeah you have to go in the codex cli to see

1536
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:51,340
the hour because i got fucked because i saw it expires on like one of the days and then i

1537
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:58,720
i waited too late and didn't use the reset but it didn't really fucking matter anyways

1538
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,780
Ask it to schedule a task, dude.

1539
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,080
That's what I do.

1540
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,880
I just a while ago said,

1541
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,380
create a task for all my resets

1542
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:08,740
that uses the reset,

1543
01:36:08,940 --> 01:36:11,020
uses computer use to use the reset

1544
01:36:11,020 --> 01:36:15,420
right before the resets expire.

1545
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:18,780
I'm going to do that from the desktop app, actually.

1546
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:24,880
The schedule a task thing,

1547
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,060
I thought it was dumb,

1548
01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:28,620
but there's a lot of ways to make it really useful.

1549
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,700
yeah like

1550
01:36:30,700 --> 01:36:33,740
do they persist after you restart your machine

1551
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:35,280
yeah they do

1552
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:36,520
it's in the Kittomo

1553
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:41,760
another good one is like

1554
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,040
if I have credits left before a reset

1555
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,000
just use them to review

1556
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,140
and audit

1557
01:36:50,140 --> 01:36:52,720
and my repositories and produce

1558
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,660
review documents

1559
01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,440
if there's no active tasks

1560
01:36:56,440 --> 01:37:01,740
So create a scheduler, you said?

1561
01:37:02,340 --> 01:37:05,300
Yeah, you could just tell it to create a scheduled task.

1562
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:20,380
Go find when all my codecs resets expire and use computer use 30 minutes before they expire to consume the reset.

1563
01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:21,940
When resets.

1564
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:56,420
Thank you.

1565
01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:06,720
I'm just sitting here trying to charge my phone, bro.

1566
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,880
My phone is cooked.

1567
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:15,780
Swear the fucking spaces just wreck the batteries of all devices,

1568
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:17,280
no matter what it is.

1569
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:21,720
Are you using a phone browser or just app?

1570
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,140
Well, I'm in the app.

1571
01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:30,420
i'm in the app and shit but hosting a space it just like yeah it's like i used to do it from

1572
01:38:30,420 --> 01:38:33,780
the phone and it would nuke my phone's battery

1573
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:50,660
i usually have like my little auxiliary battery right like the i mean i'm not on today so we're

1574
01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:52,280
We're going to be fucked, dude.

1575
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,700
Only got like 45%.

1576
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:57,540
And my laptop is cooked.

1577
01:38:58,060 --> 01:38:59,980
I'm just all fucked up right now.

1578
01:39:05,980 --> 01:39:06,660
Fuck it.

1579
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,160
We're just going to chill.

1580
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,600
I guess no more clanking until I get home and clank it up.

1581
01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:16,960
But yeah, tomorrow is that meeting, bro.

1582
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,700
I have that fucking presentation shit tomorrow.

1583
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:27,520
hopefully we can scheme and be winners you know what I mean kind of like you

1584
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:35,300
know we need to be the champions of the World Cup of pitching there's nothing

1585
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:38,820
that my friends can do for me anymore everybody done everything that they

1586
01:39:38,820 --> 01:39:45,480
could now we just have to be the silver tongue what do you call it they're like

1587
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:51,400
that's like a fucking cringe way to describe people that are good with words

1588
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:55,240
hopefully

1589
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:07,800
all right here we go phil we're about to see if this should connect that schedule

1590
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:36,800
So England versus Argentina tomorrow, eh?

1591
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:41,660
I'm hoping on the Argentinians.

1592
01:40:43,180 --> 01:40:43,540
Yeah.

1593
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:45,440
Me too.

1594
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:48,960
that would be quite a game.

1595
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:53,600
Like, Messi's amazing.

1596
01:40:53,780 --> 01:40:56,340
Fuck, like, I'd be shocked if...

1597
01:40:56,340 --> 01:40:57,920
Like, I like England, too.

1598
01:40:57,980 --> 01:40:58,700
Don't get me wrong.

1599
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:03,660
But, yeah, Argentina probably would.

1600
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:07,300
I have this feeling that

1601
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:11,100
Argentina's gonna win over England

1602
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:12,720
and people are gonna be like,

1603
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:14,420
Messi coming back for a

1604
01:41:14,420 --> 01:41:16,440
three-peat, two-peat, whatever.

1605
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:18,600
And then they're going to run into a fucking

1606
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,000
upset.

1607
01:41:20,860 --> 01:41:22,060
A hundred percent.

1608
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:24,840
Without a doubt.

1609
01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:26,680
And they came back on that Egypt

1610
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,380
game, which was pretty impressive.

1611
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:32,380
That's true. They did, but

1612
01:41:32,380 --> 01:41:34,940
you only get a couple of those in a lifetime.

1613
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:36,600
Maybe

1614
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:38,300
Messi's got all of those in a lifetime.

1615
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,620
I'm actually going to bet

1616
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:42,680
on the upset.

1617
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:49,660
But it sucks because I have a Barca Messi jersey from way back in the day.

1618
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,340
I don't even fit in anymore because I was like way younger.

1619
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,740
I mean, I got the dad bod going on.

1620
01:41:57,740 --> 01:41:58,880
You know, I'm fitting in.

1621
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,220
It should be the skinniest heavyweight you know.

1622
01:42:02,220 --> 01:42:06,320
Now I'm like medium rare, medium well, actually.

1623
01:42:08,740 --> 01:42:11,980
Just a few less beers and then back to medium rare.

1624
01:42:11,980 --> 01:42:13,440
Uh-huh, dude.

1625
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:14,700
I think that if I

1626
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:17,340
I think if I didn't drink

1627
01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:19,140
a single beer for 30 days,

1628
01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:20,580
I'd be

1629
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:22,140
pretty well-chained, bro.

1630
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:22,900
Yeah.

1631
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:24,220
You walk a bit,

1632
01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:25,180
you run a little,

1633
01:42:25,420 --> 01:42:26,020
and then you go up.

1634
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:27,060
The beers actually

1635
01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:28,920
have like a surprising

1636
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,200
amount of calories.

1637
01:42:30,780 --> 01:42:32,360
Dude, insane amount

1638
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:32,920
of calories.

1639
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,320
Like, said,

1640
01:42:34,460 --> 01:42:36,060
like 1,500 per beer

1641
01:42:36,060 --> 01:42:36,460
or something.

1642
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:37,140
That's insane.

1643
01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:39,120
Oh, yeah.

1644
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:39,840
1,500?

1645
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:41,420
Bro, one is enough

1646
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:42,100
for a whole day.

1647
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:43,960
Remember,

1648
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:45,000
if you're sitting

1649
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,320
and drinking beers a bit,

1650
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:47,240
your stomach,

1651
01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:49,080
your beer belly

1652
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:49,780
pops out.

1653
01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:51,120
It's crazy, bro.

1654
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:52,320
It's cool.

1655
01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:55,120
It is absolutely insane.

1656
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:55,760
But you know what?

1657
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:57,200
I go through trends.

1658
01:42:57,780 --> 01:42:57,940
You know,

1659
01:42:57,980 --> 01:42:58,860
sometimes we're okay

1660
01:42:58,860 --> 01:42:59,420
with being,

1661
01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:00,280
you know,

1662
01:43:00,700 --> 01:43:01,240
pot belly,

1663
01:43:01,380 --> 01:43:02,020
beer daddy,

1664
01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:03,200
fucking energy.

1665
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,020
And then other times

1666
01:43:05,020 --> 01:43:05,920
then we on our set.

1667
01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:06,460
You know?

1668
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:07,760
No worries.

1669
01:43:08,420 --> 01:43:09,100
That's all good.

1670
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:10,100
Once you have a kid,

1671
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:10,400
you're like,

1672
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:10,820
who am I,

1673
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:13,020
who am I trying to impress? I don't want no more kids.

1674
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:14,220
That's true.

1675
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:15,220
I'm just kidding.

1676
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:20,780
Just trying to write that off.

1677
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:21,520
Exactly.

1678
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,240
No, but yo, you could seriously get rid of it,

1679
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:26,680
though. You just walk with it.

1680
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,780
I am one of the most

1681
01:43:29,780 --> 01:43:31,620
craziest, psychologically

1682
01:43:31,620 --> 01:43:33,640
committed person. Whenever I'm like,

1683
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:35,420
okay, this is what I'm doing, that's what I'm doing.

1684
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,540
But when you

1685
01:43:37,540 --> 01:43:38,880
ain't doing it, you ain't doing it.

1686
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,140
that's true too

1687
01:43:41,140 --> 01:43:41,960
I feel you on that

1688
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:42,420
I'm like that

1689
01:43:42,420 --> 01:43:43,540
watch one of these days

1690
01:43:43,540 --> 01:43:45,680
you just need the time

1691
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:46,660
no I hear you

1692
01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:47,120
also

1693
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:50,600
yeah well watch one of these days man

1694
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:51,120
when Riley

1695
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,380
when Riley makes the wrong comment

1696
01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:55,140
and he just annoys his shit

1697
01:43:55,140 --> 01:43:56,220
I mean all of a sudden

1698
01:43:56,220 --> 01:43:56,540
I'm gonna

1699
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:58,140
I'm out here to prove a point

1700
01:43:58,140 --> 01:43:59,700
and then boom

1701
01:43:59,700 --> 01:44:01,020
you know I'll be like

1702
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:03,140
squatting 6,000 pounds

1703
01:44:03,140 --> 01:44:04,900
and power lifting

1704
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:06,140
1,700

1705
01:44:06,140 --> 01:44:07,840
you know what I mean

1706
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:11,300
I don't even know

1707
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:12,820
1700 grams

1708
01:44:12,820 --> 01:44:14,720
It was fucking hot out bro

1709
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,720
Today was like a sauna here

1710
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:18,220
So I'm like fucking doing like

1711
01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:19,100
I'm running around

1712
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:20,260
I do these

1713
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:22,060
I ain't even gonna lie

1714
01:44:22,060 --> 01:44:26,540
You can't be tagging me on little

1715
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:28,100
Provocative videos like that

1716
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,560
I was like I ain't even gonna say none to my boy

1717
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:31,620
Because I just

1718
01:44:31,620 --> 01:44:32,840
Yo

1719
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,360
I'm trolling bro

1720
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:37,620
I don't give a fuck what you do

1721
01:44:37,620 --> 01:44:38,740
But this is funny.

1722
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:42,660
Yo, check this out.

1723
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:43,780
Hold on, I'm going to pin it up top.

1724
01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:45,580
This is so funny.

1725
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,300
Yo, check this out.

1726
01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:51,280
You guys are talking about fried fucking rice and shells.

1727
01:44:51,580 --> 01:44:53,220
I was just fucking running around.

1728
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,960
I'm like, listen, these guys are making me fucking hungry.

1729
01:44:56,180 --> 01:44:56,720
That's funny.

1730
01:44:57,140 --> 01:44:57,620
All right, so.

1731
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,120
I loved what you guys were talking about, though.

1732
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:01,860
Check this out.

1733
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:05,720
Let me know when UMFs can see

1734
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,180
very bullish as pinned tweet up top.

1735
01:45:08,260 --> 01:45:10,180
Just let me know so then I can narrate

1736
01:45:10,180 --> 01:45:12,100
my portion of

1737
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:14,420
my reaction, right?

1738
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:15,620
Alright, so you

1739
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:17,720
tap on this. Yo, this

1740
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,380
wasn't like, oh, I'm in nature.

1741
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,040
He puts the phone facing upwards.

1742
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,000
He's sweating. He's got like

1743
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,960
you know, some curves on his ribs.

1744
01:45:26,660 --> 01:45:27,820
You know, exactly.

1745
01:45:27,820 --> 01:45:29,240
And then he goes from the

1746
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:31,240
bottom to the top.

1747
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,620
And then from the top to the bottom.

1748
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:34,800
He's on the...

1749
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:35,680
The spicy lady.

1750
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:37,500
BBPs and BBLs.

1751
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:38,920
You see what I'm saying?

1752
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:39,620
You know?

1753
01:45:39,860 --> 01:45:41,440
He's like, this is what Tim Horton.

1754
01:45:41,620 --> 01:45:42,000
BBPs especially.

1755
01:45:42,220 --> 01:45:44,240
This is my Tim Horton bot, bro.

1756
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,500
This is crazy, bro.

1757
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:49,420
And then he tags me.

1758
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:50,760
He tags me.

1759
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:51,740
Blah, blah, blah.

1760
01:45:51,740 --> 01:45:53,080
Earlier in Esco's face.

1761
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:58,960
Don't tag me when you got my fucking skin and sweat going on.

1762
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,020
That's crazy.

1763
01:46:00,580 --> 01:46:01,380
That's funny.

1764
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,040
I'm chilling, obviously.

1765
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:09,280
but yeah that's funny though no yeah totally i was like yo this guy's space it was pretty good

1766
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:13,340
still but i'm like yo fuck like it's in the background i'm not i gotta give him credit

1767
01:46:13,340 --> 01:46:18,780
somehow you know what i'm saying it's you should have done it on like a thread like a post below

1768
01:46:18,780 --> 01:46:23,620
the main post or something i did at first and i'm like yo this deserves its own tweets

1769
01:46:23,620 --> 01:46:32,000
like fuck it oh my god it was no but it was good though you know like i just sometimes do that as

1770
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:37,280
like proof of like hey i was doing this for a bit so you know and if it motivates others

1771
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:41,980
it motivates others if it doesn't it doesn't so you know it's all good

1772
01:46:41,980 --> 01:46:50,700
you know it was so hot up here today my guy i was surprised like fuck i didn't even run that much

1773
01:46:50,700 --> 01:46:58,860
and it was just like sweltering i don't know what's 40 degrees celsius like converted into

1774
01:46:58,860 --> 01:47:00,660
Fahrenheit, you know, it was around there.

1775
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:02,340
It was fucking

1776
01:47:02,340 --> 01:47:03,500
cooking.

1777
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,060
Did some, like, push-ups, like, some squats,

1778
01:47:09,220 --> 01:47:09,780
like, some dips.

1779
01:47:11,620 --> 01:47:12,800
Oh, so here we got

1780
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,800
Crypto Games. He's coming

1781
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,100
with his uninterested shorty

1782
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:18,840
in the background, just bugging him.

1783
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:20,160
What's up, dude?

1784
01:47:20,540 --> 01:47:21,100
What's up, fam?

1785
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:22,240
What's up, fam?

1786
01:47:23,180 --> 01:47:23,700
What's up, fam?

1787
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:25,640
Oh, we're just chilling, fam.

1788
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,480
Very bullish. You look shredded.

1789
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,480
Oh, hold on.

1790
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:30,920
Hold on.

1791
01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:34,520
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1792
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:35,460
I ain't doing that.

1793
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:40,480
I just told you this guy put me on a fucking...

1794
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,880
He tagged me on like a sexy outing in the fucking woods.

1795
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:46,980
And then you come to bring this shit back up again?

1796
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:48,220
This is crazy, man.

1797
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:50,480
I can't...

1798
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:51,540
Swear to God.

1799
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:53,420
Swear to God.

1800
01:47:54,340 --> 01:47:55,000
It's so fun.

1801
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,140
It's so fun.

1802
01:47:56,140 --> 01:47:58,780
it's inspiration

1803
01:47:58,780 --> 01:47:59,260
let's go

1804
01:47:59,260 --> 01:48:00,120
inspiration

1805
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:02,940
yo

1806
01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:04,340
one of these days

1807
01:48:04,340 --> 01:48:05,860
I ain't even gonna tell y'all

1808
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:07,140
I'm just gonna get ripped

1809
01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:08,280
I do like

1810
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,400
a thousand fucking

1811
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:11,460
burpees

1812
01:48:11,460 --> 01:48:12,480
every day

1813
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:13,580
you know

1814
01:48:13,580 --> 01:48:14,940
200 push-ups

1815
01:48:14,940 --> 01:48:17,480
I'm gonna do some shit today too

1816
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:20,000
I'm gonna stand right now

1817
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:20,820
that's what I'm gonna do

1818
01:48:20,820 --> 01:48:21,520
listen to that

1819
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:22,720
I'm gonna stand

1820
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,300
yeah

1821
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:25,060
get my desk

1822
01:48:25,060 --> 01:48:26,120
up in the standing position

1823
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:26,820
I don't know.

1824
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:27,540
What do you mean?

1825
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:28,440
I'm a stand.

1826
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:29,840
And then does that do anything?

1827
01:48:32,020 --> 01:48:37,260
It makes it so your resistance to moving around is less than if you're sitting in a chair

1828
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:37,740
and pump you.

1829
01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:39,300
Hmm.

1830
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:42,300
Fuck.

1831
01:48:42,300 --> 01:48:50,260
It's all about tricking your mind into seeing things as easily convenient.

1832
01:48:50,260 --> 01:48:53,740
to be honest

1833
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:54,880
the algo

1834
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,020
is hitting different

1835
01:48:57,020 --> 01:48:57,720
you know what

1836
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,280
because for a long time

1837
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,760
I've been posting shit

1838
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:01,700
and my shit got like

1839
01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:02,940
200 views

1840
01:49:02,940 --> 01:49:03,400
I was like

1841
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,180
what the hell is this going on

1842
01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:06,260
I got more than

1843
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:07,300
200 friends

1844
01:49:07,300 --> 01:49:09,760
yo the algorithm

1845
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:10,500
I don't know what's

1846
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:13,580
the algorithm was

1847
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:14,720
are you saying like

1848
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:15,300
you're getting more

1849
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:16,940
more views on your tweets

1850
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:17,900
it's not even about

1851
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:19,140
it's just all together

1852
01:49:19,140 --> 01:49:21,380
seeing people that I follow,

1853
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:23,280
people that I interact with.

1854
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:24,920
That's what I'm saying.

1855
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:27,180
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, finally,

1856
01:49:27,380 --> 01:49:29,500
I get to see people's shit

1857
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,220
that I interact with,

1858
01:49:31,380 --> 01:49:33,300
that I came here with, all those sort of things.

1859
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:34,480
Instead of, like,

1860
01:49:34,860 --> 01:49:37,240
what the fuck is this bitch showing? Bouncing titties.

1861
01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:39,160
Like, I don't care. Do I follow her?

1862
01:49:39,220 --> 01:49:40,540
No. Why are you showing it to me?

1863
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:41,940
Yeah, like random content.

1864
01:49:42,660 --> 01:49:43,700
I hear you on that.

1865
01:49:44,980 --> 01:49:46,700
Yeah, you get a lot more

1866
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:48,120
mutual content now.

1867
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:48,720
Yeah, dude.

1868
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:51,820
Which is good, I think.

1869
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:55,080
Like, more relevant content.

1870
01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:58,900
It just means I need to follow a lot less people.

1871
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:00,360
That's what I need to be done.

1872
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:06,080
Why was your feet on my feet the first thing two hours ago?

1873
01:50:06,180 --> 01:50:07,040
Touch some grass.

1874
01:50:07,180 --> 01:50:07,900
What the fuck?

1875
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:08,820
I don't want to see your feet.

1876
01:50:08,820 --> 01:50:10,140
I'm telling you, bro.

1877
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,320
Now, Crypto Games is next.

1878
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,500
He's going to be out there looking like a frog,

1879
01:50:16,660 --> 01:50:17,660
bouncing around.

1880
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:25,960
oh yeah i'm gonna be sweaty out here in toronto um

1881
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:37,240
fucking hot fucking hot today yeah bro yeah um follow up i can tell coffee today

1882
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:49,640
yeah no it was hot today i was like i can't wait i was surprised it was that

1883
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:55,440
it felt like 40 degrees literally felt like it celsius

1884
01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:00,020
cooking

1885
01:51:00,020 --> 01:51:09,320
yeah bro i'll do these like like three four sets like 400 meters and just take a little break in

1886
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:14,640
between and then i'll do some push-ups and then i'll do some squats and now what i'll do i'll do

1887
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:20,340
these squats but i'll sometimes do these holding squats and that really honestly like i find i get

1888
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:25,080
more of a workout from that and also i'll do push-ups but sometimes i'll do these holding

1889
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:29,680
push-ups too and these holding push-ups i swear to god i get more ripped from that than fucking

1890
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:36,000
doing the actual like reps from push-ups because i'm a kind of like a tall skinny guy right so like

1891
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:43,200
i find fucking yeah and so like uh you know like i i just do the holds and i fucking i'm i'm getting

1892
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:48,240
like results right away like within like like a day or two you know if i'm just doing that

1893
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:53,440
a few hours a day at least and that helps i'm gonna keep it one thousand like i break it down

1894
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:53,980
1,000.

1895
01:51:55,060 --> 01:51:57,320
See, we're about to go to Vegas, right?

1896
01:51:57,420 --> 01:51:58,920
So I had to be training.

1897
01:51:59,500 --> 01:52:01,320
I had to be training this whole time.

1898
01:52:03,620 --> 01:52:05,860
Can't show up to Vegas.

1899
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:07,940
Okay, yo.

1900
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:09,520
Maybe go do some boot camp.

1901
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,260
No, after Vegas,

1902
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:13,360
we boot camp.

1903
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:14,740
After.

1904
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,020
Because, let me explain to you what.

1905
01:52:18,340 --> 01:52:20,460
I ain't training to be looking good in the pool.

1906
01:52:20,460 --> 01:52:25,540
I'm training to not pass out at 8.30 p.m., which is my standard sleep time.

1907
01:52:25,980 --> 01:52:26,600
You know?

1908
01:52:27,260 --> 01:52:30,100
I had, like, one too many mimosas or something.

1909
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:32,960
Then Riley's like, where's Esco at?

1910
01:52:33,060 --> 01:52:33,740
Where's Esco?

1911
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:38,040
I'm just face down, shoes on, T-shirt on, everything.

1912
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:42,660
Just fucking hang, like, feet hanging off the fucking bed and shit

1913
01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:45,720
because I couldn't even shimmy up enough to get under.

1914
01:52:45,900 --> 01:52:46,840
Like, none of that, bro.

1915
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:50,260
Like, bro, that's legendary shit.

1916
01:52:50,460 --> 01:52:58,460
Every time the parties got started, I was always either asleep or they were taking pictures with my dead body on my bed.

1917
01:52:59,060 --> 01:52:59,880
A hundred percent.

1918
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:02,320
And this is just...

1919
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:15,660
So, I've been training, you know, for the past seven months to make sure that we ain't going to be passed out, face down in no fucking bed.

1920
01:53:16,060 --> 01:53:18,580
So, afterwards, cool.

1921
01:53:18,580 --> 01:53:20,740
We're going to get physically in shape afterwards.

1922
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:23,580
I'll make a bet with you, motherfuckers.

1923
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:24,900
You know, I'm good for my money.

1924
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:26,520
I'm good for my money.

1925
01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:33,120
So after Rare, I'll be out here doing the most posting motivation.

1926
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:34,000
What's up, Charles?

1927
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:34,560
Hold on a second.

1928
01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:36,260
Let me finish my little troll, bro.

1929
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:42,520
I'll be doing the, you know, lifting weights and treadmills and all of that shit.

1930
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:42,940
Watch.

1931
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:43,660
Just watch.

1932
01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:44,700
What's up, Charles?

1933
01:53:44,740 --> 01:53:45,300
How you doing, bro?

1934
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:54,980
what's up yo you know i was a good day yeah yeah i haven't seen charles in a minute and one thing

1935
01:53:54,980 --> 01:54:00,680
right off the bat bro right off the bat i gotta hit you with this one and i just want to say

1936
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:07,420
shout outs to you for um you know the video you posted the other day i think it was like a week

1937
01:54:07,420 --> 01:54:14,160
and a half ago or so when um you announced the you know the lease or cooperation or partnership

1938
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:17,660
or whatever it is at the Hoskinson Clinic.

1939
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:18,500
You know what I mean?

1940
01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:20,120
That's fire, bro.

1941
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:24,540
You know, like, remember that conversation we had a little while before?

1942
01:54:24,860 --> 01:54:25,060
Yep.

1943
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:32,160
Yeah, I mean, that was a real emotional and tough one for me

1944
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,960
because, you know, I started the clinic.

1945
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:35,860
We built it up.

1946
01:54:35,860 --> 01:54:40,360
It was a very successful clinic in terms of the actual act of doing medicine.

1947
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,800
You know, we had 22,000 patients.

1948
01:54:42,940 --> 01:54:44,100
We saved a ton of lives.

1949
01:54:44,160 --> 01:55:08,040
And, you know, the doctors were incredibly happy. The staff was happy. It was transformational for the town of Gillette. And obviously our name was on it. And I built that business with my dad and brother and we loved it. We cared about it deeply. It's just there was no path forward to practice medicine at that scale the way I wanted to with the funding.

1950
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:15,760
without being sustainable without you funding this as a charity ultimate yeah it wasn't right

1951
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:23,580
and it became a charity and you know it just it just got the family so involved in it and my dad

1952
01:55:23,580 --> 01:55:27,700
really was trying to find a path to make it break even as was my brother and everybody's working

1953
01:55:27,700 --> 01:55:32,940
100 hour weeks and it was really dragging along and we got to a point where i said okay guys do

1954
01:55:32,940 --> 01:55:37,520
we have a road where in 18 months we think we can get this to actually be a business instead of a

1955
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:43,140
charity. And when we couldn't get there, you know, I said, all right, well, the best option

1956
01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:47,820
then is to shut it down and let's see if we can find someone else to come on in. So almost

1957
01:55:47,820 --> 01:55:53,000
immediately, a lot of hospital groups and private equity groups reached out to us. And I said, I

1958
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,560
don't want to sell it to some group of people that are going to force you to see 30 patients a day.

1959
01:55:56,620 --> 01:56:02,440
And it's just nurse practitioners. I want this to be a real clinic. And and after some conversations

1960
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:08,240
with Monument. They're a Mayo affiliate. I said, these are good people. They're real bright. They're

1961
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:13,540
real talented. They practice great medicine. It's a good system. It's one of the few that I would

1962
01:56:13,540 --> 01:56:19,520
feel very comfortable with stepping into that role, those shoes and delivering wonderful healthcare.

1963
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:27,460
Then we had to make a deal, which was exceedingly hard. Actually, my chief of staff, Chris,

1964
01:56:27,460 --> 01:56:33,860
did a phenomenal job working with them and negotiating that out. He spent a lot hours

1965
01:56:33,860 --> 01:56:40,460
on that one and it was bare knuckles brawl, tough negotiation. You know, we put a lot of stuff in,

1966
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:45,380
their lawyers put a lot of stuff in and we had very limited time. And we got together with the

1967
01:56:45,380 --> 01:56:50,020
CEO over the weekend and we said, Hey, you really want to do this? And they're like, yeah, we do.

1968
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:54,300
And say, well, you know, I was like Cartman. I was like, let's quit breaking my balls,

1969
01:56:54,300 --> 01:56:59,380
you know so let's figure this out and so we figured it out we made a great deal uh that

1970
01:56:59,380 --> 01:57:03,620
we're very comfortable and happy with and it's more importantly a sustainable one it's something

1971
01:57:03,620 --> 01:57:09,440
that can be in place and create some stability and permanence uh for that relationship so this

1972
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:14,200
is not like hey we'll try before you buy for two months it's a long-term relationship and it's one

1973
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:21,400
that can turn into an escalation of patient care uh so i feel very comfortable so the mission the

1974
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:28,300
original mission is in place the business portion to you in terms of you know the initial investment

1975
01:57:28,300 --> 01:57:33,580
and everything that you know breaking ground and you know all the highest level of technology

1976
01:57:33,580 --> 01:57:39,320
equipment that you put in there like you obviously like uh didn't short any expense when it came to

1977
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:46,040
trying to provide uh gillette with the highest uh grade of yeah we had a better mri than mayo did

1978
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:50,520
i mean this is how much money we put into this clinic guys it was not a small thing esco

1979
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,500
So the mission will stay the same.

1980
01:57:53,740 --> 01:57:58,160
And I think these are one of the few people that actually can improve upon what we started

1981
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:02,760
with because my passion was always in the next generation stuff, the network medicine,

1982
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:07,380
the regenerative medicine, lifestyle medicine, the merger of allopathic and homeopathic together

1983
01:58:07,380 --> 01:58:09,460
and getting people where they need to go.

1984
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:14,480
It was never in the let's go be a doctor and practice medicine for 40 years.

1985
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:15,900
That's what my brother does.

1986
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:17,940
This is what my dad did throughout his career.

1987
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:19,440
It's just a different thing.

1988
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:26,140
And so we built the clinic, but instead of doing regenerative medicine, the clinic became the big thing and the regenerative medicine became the little thing.

1989
01:58:26,580 --> 01:58:34,460
So this frees me up to work on stem cells and hyperbarics and, you know, slowing down aging and healing things and rejuvenating things.

1990
01:58:34,580 --> 01:58:36,500
So ultimately make us more productive.

1991
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:39,860
And what's nice is that diversion wasn't a waste of time.

1992
01:58:40,180 --> 01:58:43,920
It fundamentally transformed the lives of a lot of people in Gillette, Wyoming.

1993
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:52,460
You know, we diagnosed a lot of cancer earlier and saved a lot of lives, treated a lot of heart disease, treated a lot of diabetes.

1994
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:58,220
You know, there's a whole bunch of stuff that was just not being taken care of and it was going to kill the people.

1995
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:09,260
And so it's the only thing I've ever done in my career where I could map the money spent to lives saved and say there are people alive today because of the dollars that were spent.

1996
01:59:09,460 --> 01:59:11,840
And so I'm incredibly proud of that.

1997
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,660
And I think it was just a great outcome, all things considered.

1998
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:16,820
There's a lot more to do.

1999
01:59:17,180 --> 01:59:20,740
And, you know, we got to obviously work with them to help in the transition.

2000
01:59:20,740 --> 01:59:24,400
And then they have to step into a very significant role.

2001
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,080
And it's a tough competitive market, but they're a big organization.

2002
01:59:28,340 --> 01:59:30,540
And they have many hospitals and thousands.

2003
01:59:30,540 --> 01:59:34,760
They can absorb until it starts churning patients and all that.

2004
01:59:34,820 --> 01:59:35,480
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

2005
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:37,580
So they're going to do a good job.

2006
01:59:38,140 --> 01:59:38,540
Absolutely.

2007
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:39,960
What else you got cooking, dude?

2008
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:41,460
I know you got a real fight going.

2009
01:59:41,460 --> 01:59:43,300
You got like a trillion things going on.

2010
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:44,740
It's absolutely insane.

2011
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:50,840
Well, for this year, you know, the four big ones, the big four are Midnight, Midnight City, RealFi and Pogan.

2012
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:56,420
You know, and obviously we have the meta thing of getting the governance of Cardano where it needs to be.

2013
01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:59,640
And RealFi has been absolute joy.

2014
01:59:59,860 --> 02:00:04,220
And I'm actually working on a document right now for RealFi on the market, the go to market strategy.

2015
02:00:04,500 --> 02:00:09,000
I'm going to send it over to the RealFi guys and say, hey, a little bit of house cleaning we need to do.

2016
02:00:09,420 --> 02:00:11,100
You know, get this where it needs to be.

2017
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:14,420
But it's been a great reception and we're moving the chains forward.

2018
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,200
Pogan's been a lot of fun, too.

2019
02:00:16,380 --> 02:00:18,520
Ton of amazing innovation there with Pogan.

2020
02:00:18,980 --> 02:00:24,760
And it's going to be real exciting to connect Pogan to Midnight and connect it to Cardano and deliver on that Bitcoin DeFi.

2021
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:26,540
Obviously, we got Leos.

2022
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,540
You know, that's been the Musashi testnet just came out.

2023
02:00:29,780 --> 02:00:31,820
And we're making huge progress there.

2024
02:00:31,860 --> 02:00:34,260
And it's been a lot of fun to see people test it.

2025
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:38,720
And we're getting the performance that we anticipated with it.

2026
02:00:38,720 --> 02:01:01,460
Um, you know, there's a lot of cool stuff on the ETXO side, like blaster has really come into its own. And, uh, there's been a lot of great advancements. Like I did the, um, second five recovery app. I was testing how to do keyword recovery with growth 16 and Phil helped me out with it. Uh, and, uh, one of the things that I discovered is all these updates coming with the upcoming hard fork.

2027
02:01:01,460 --> 02:01:08,500
they actually make it possible to do like a complex, high complexity Groth 16 circuit

2028
02:01:08,500 --> 02:01:14,040
and validate it on Cardano. It'd be a hundred times more expensive under the legacy system,

2029
02:01:14,180 --> 02:01:20,600
but with the upcoming hard fork, we get that done. That's not a small deal. Being able to verify

2030
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:28,760
Groth proofs on chain, it opens up an enormous world of use cases and applications that are very

2031
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:34,940
powerful. And so especially for bridge design or reusable DeFi patterns or things like that.

2032
02:01:34,940 --> 02:01:40,620
And the fact that these proofs are small and you can verify them in WebAssembly. I wrote the first

2033
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:45,600
version of the WebAssembly. I think Phil got it down to a reasonable proving time. Phil, what did

2034
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:50,260
you get the WebAssembly prover down to in terms of the size? And what was the case size for it?

2035
02:01:50,260 --> 02:02:19,880
A is 21 now, and it can be 20 if we reduce the security statement from specifically master private key to credential to coin level key, which Thomas Velkov recommended as sort of a safe security assumption.

2036
02:02:20,260 --> 02:02:23,260
But I just kept it at K21.

2037
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,960
And with K21, it is 60-second browser proving time

2038
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,420
and four-second desktop proving time.

2039
02:02:31,380 --> 02:02:31,600
Yeah.

2040
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:34,840
And was that the Go code that I wrote that compiled?

2041
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:36,420
Yeah, it's all the base.

2042
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:39,120
Yeah, entirely the Go code that you wrote.

2043
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:44,380
The core of that optimization was actually one that was in your code base,

2044
02:02:44,380 --> 02:02:53,460
the prove stream vendor patch to the Gnark Go code base, which was a crazy optimization to find.

2045
02:02:53,460 --> 02:02:59,300
And Thomas was very impressed with it as well. Yeah. Well, I was, the problem was I was working

2046
02:02:59,300 --> 02:03:05,300
with a constraint because the original design I had, I had 32 gigabytes of memory to prove into,

2047
02:03:05,460 --> 02:03:10,300
but WebAssembly is constrained to four gigabytes. So then I was trying to figure out how to shard

2048
02:03:10,300 --> 02:03:15,420
it. And so I did a web worker set up with the four gigabyte constraint, but then I couldn't,

2049
02:03:16,300 --> 02:03:21,500
I noticed there were issues. And so I just patched GeoSnark and I said, okay, this is how to fix

2050
02:03:21,500 --> 02:03:26,140
that. It took a little bit of time to figure that out. I think it was like 1.30 in the morning on a

2051
02:03:26,140 --> 02:03:30,120
Saturday or something. And I was like, oh, this is probably a way to do that. But that was a lot

2052
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:36,360
of fun. I haven't done anything like that in years. And I was just blown away by how high quality

2053
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:38,620
the tooling has become for Cardano.

2054
02:03:38,980 --> 02:03:41,680
Guys, it's like legit day and night

2055
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,640
from where it was at just a few years ago.

2056
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,620
And it's very easy to navigate work with this tooling.

2057
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:50,260
Your code base was incredibly impressive

2058
02:03:50,260 --> 02:03:54,000
with all the documentation perfectly up to date.

2059
02:03:54,860 --> 02:03:58,280
Lots and lots of like security analysis

2060
02:03:58,280 --> 02:04:00,820
and useful insights around proving.

2061
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:02,880
In fact, the Go code,

2062
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,420
if you go on the NARC repository,

2063
02:04:05,420 --> 02:04:10,980
they have like this massive mega threat of people who have been trying to get it to work in Wasm.

2064
02:04:11,780 --> 02:04:17,200
And your patch is like, it's like a very high quality solution to that,

2065
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:22,480
where there's like this huge effort to try to do what essentially your vendored Go patch already does.

2066
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:26,320
I didn't know that. I just had to solve it and I had limited time.

2067
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:31,860
Can you do an upstream commit then to their library and see if they accept it?

2068
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:33,700
Yeah, I'll give it a go. Yeah.

2069
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:40,280
quick question quick question since you guys are were working on on this issue and it was kind of

2070
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:46,940
like satellite uh whether you guys were just like privately interested into it or you also knew

2071
02:04:46,940 --> 02:04:56,080
that this was going to have to lead to the the the glacier drop stuff because in it is tethered to it

2072
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:01,400
and stuff no there's no there's no glacier drop component this was just a more abstract question

2073
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:09,720
of can you recover from 24 keywords a derivation path or multiple paths of a wallet in a contract.

2074
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:18,560
And this can be used for any CNT and this can be used for any asset as a provability thing.

2075
02:05:19,220 --> 02:05:27,680
So the real use case here long term would be instead of having your 24 keywords, you

2076
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:33,020
You can have an alternative artifact and you can implement what's called a custodial deadman switch.

2077
02:05:33,460 --> 02:05:37,000
So you have some other credential that is provable.

2078
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,700
And then if you don't use your wallet for a period of time.

2079
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:42,780
Inheritance and all sorts of things.

2080
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:43,540
I'm saying.

2081
02:05:43,540 --> 02:05:48,380
If you die, inheritance, whatever, your funds get swept into the smart contract.

2082
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,200
And then you use that to pull them out of the smart contract.

2083
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:53,880
Holy shit.

2084
02:05:53,880 --> 02:06:04,240
I don't want to go back into the original, you know, the issues that, you know, the community kind of blew up out of all hell.

2085
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:10,400
The whole sweep of the, what do you call it?

2086
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,380
The original voucher stuff.

2087
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:14,660
This would have been very helpful back then, right?

2088
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,800
If this was even a capability back then, but obviously not.

2089
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:23,180
Yeah, the reason we had to do the sweep was that the secret that the user had had become compromised.

2090
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:31,240
Attain, which was the sales entity, went out of business. And that sales entity, it

2091
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:37,960
wound down. It leaked the personally identifiable information, or we had reason to believe that

2092
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:43,740
one of the employees may have leaked it. And so we were concerned that given enough calendar time,

2093
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:49,180
these at rest accounts, because that could be used to recover the redemption accounts,

2094
02:06:49,180 --> 02:06:55,080
would be used by an attacker. And so our argument was because it was a multi-sig account,

2095
02:06:55,180 --> 02:07:00,480
meaning that multiple people had access to it, that commercially speaking, redemption had not

2096
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:07,220
occurred yet. It was the last stage of redemption from a custodial wallet or a multi-sig wallet from

2097
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:13,420
the sales entity to a wallet you had sole control over. So if that gets compromised, it's kind of

2098
02:07:13,420 --> 02:07:20,120
the equivalent of, hey, pick up your couch at the loading dock. The dock lock breaks, and then

2099
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:24,320
somebody drives by with a pickup van, takes your couch. And then you show up and say, hey, where's

2100
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:27,520
my couch? It's like, well, somebody got into the loading dock and stole all the couches.

2101
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:31,460
So we said, all right, why don't we move the couches to a different warehouse and tell the

2102
02:07:31,460 --> 02:07:35,800
people, instead of going to warehouse A, go to warehouse B. It's kind of the thought process

2103
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:42,460
behind it. And the problem is that some people don't like that they have to drive more,

2104
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:45,460
and they have to do something different to redeem.

2105
02:07:46,060 --> 02:07:47,680
So I can understand why people get a little upset,

2106
02:07:47,900 --> 02:07:50,500
but most reasonable people would understand

2107
02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:52,680
that if the couch is going to be stolen,

2108
02:07:52,940 --> 02:07:55,880
it's probably a good idea to move it to a different warehouse

2109
02:07:55,880 --> 02:07:58,020
and they go through that inconvenience

2110
02:07:58,020 --> 02:07:59,140
because sales not complete.

2111
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:01,780
And the other thing is by taking that position,

2112
02:08:01,780 --> 02:08:04,080
also you have a refund potential

2113
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,680
that if you don't pick up the couch in a certain period of time,

2114
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:09,940
well, then the transaction is voided and you get refunded.

2115
02:08:09,940 --> 02:08:15,540
you know and i think it's very reasonable to talk about a refund after 10 years of not picking up

2116
02:08:15,540 --> 02:08:20,840
your couch oh no all of that to me in my opinion it was handled legitimately like i mean come on

2117
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:27,280
like most businesses have 30 days i know it's like 10 years it's like okay but you can't win

2118
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:35,360
with the internet no the internet always wins it's not possible and um another thing so i saw

2119
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:41,100
you guys uh all right i'm just gonna keep firing on this because it all kinds of relates a little

2120
02:08:41,100 --> 02:08:45,440
bit you know and and thank you for coming bro like every once in a while super fire that's what

2121
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:49,500
keeps me showing up you know this level of conversations about very high level awesome

2122
02:08:49,500 --> 02:08:54,640
conversations with you and i hang out with phil every day and micro and riley and lucas and shit

2123
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:58,940
so those are the things that keep me showing up without even caring about any kind of compensation

2124
02:08:58,940 --> 02:09:05,200
or any kind of weird energy like that um we just show up for fun um so recently how do you guys

2125
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:14,000
address the issue or was there even any potential issue with the glacier drop claim in terms of

2126
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:22,060
unquote compromised wallets from the second fire issue? It's not our concern. The glacier drop is

2127
02:09:22,060 --> 02:09:28,100
a passive process. It goes through. If your wallet is compromised, your wallet's compromised,

2128
02:09:28,100 --> 02:09:31,440
There's no way to change the destination addresses for that.

2129
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:37,280
So, you know, they have to be swept as soon as they get to those compromised addresses

2130
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:39,100
to the white hat and then get redeemed.

2131
02:09:39,340 --> 02:09:44,000
If not, then a black hat can steal them if you've spent from those addresses.

2132
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:46,120
But I mean, this is the reality.

2133
02:09:46,360 --> 02:09:53,420
You can't build a passive automated process and then complain that the passive automated

2134
02:09:53,420 --> 02:09:56,040
process is doing what is in the smart contract.

2135
02:09:56,040 --> 02:10:02,620
if it says send it here it's going to send it there throughout the entire year um if we had

2136
02:10:02,620 --> 02:10:08,560
the ability to change that then uh the midnight foundation would have to intervene in every single

2137
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:15,240
people complain well i didn't get my money so so now i go change his address or do this thing or

2138
02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:18,560
actually my wife is getting it we're getting divorced can you switch it over to this one

2139
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:24,680
no you can't you can't do that you just say look um it is a passive process that's the address you

2140
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:31,600
registered. It suggests that it was eligible. Everybody got paid out the same. The only filtering

2141
02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:35,820
was at the beginning for sanctions lists, and anybody who's on an OFAC list got pulled off.

2142
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:41,460
And so we went one-time sweep with chenalysis. And at that point, it's an ongoing concern.

2143
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,020
And if you lose your wallet, you lose your wallet, you lost your claim. Or if your wallet is

2144
02:10:45,020 --> 02:10:48,720
compromised, your wallet is compromised. It's the unfortunate realities that come with

2145
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:54,560
the decentralization and infrastructure that the whole ecosystem is founded around.

2146
02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:55,680
So, okay, cool.

2147
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:57,620
So recent-

2148
02:10:57,620 --> 02:11:00,180
And it's also important to understand that nobody paid for night.

2149
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:05,140
You know, and so it would be one thing if there was a commercial transaction in an ICO

2150
02:11:05,140 --> 02:11:08,820
and there was special consideration and there's an expectation of delivery.

2151
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:12,020
But if it's an airdrop and you didn't pay for it,

2152
02:11:12,220 --> 02:11:15,500
can't really cry too much if there's an issue here or there.

2153
02:11:16,140 --> 02:11:18,020
You know, I understand there's economic value now,

2154
02:11:18,020 --> 02:11:20,800
but this is free money that people got.

2155
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:25,780
So, you know, there's nothing technologically that can be done.

2156
02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:30,200
The terms and conditions were public and everybody played by the same rules.

2157
02:11:30,440 --> 02:11:36,080
Nobody gets a special set of rules just because they have special connections or access.

2158
02:11:36,220 --> 02:11:38,080
We call that the legacy financial system.

2159
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:39,860
And Web3 code is law.

2160
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:43,120
If the smart contract says it, that's what the smart contract does.

2161
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,860
And, you know, these are the consequences of your wallet choices.

2162
02:11:47,860 --> 02:11:54,240
and I feel bad and it's unfortunate that this happened with SecondFi.

2163
02:11:55,520 --> 02:12:00,140
There's a lot of things that have occurred here that, honestly speaking, are deeply distasteful

2164
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:01,660
and should have never happened.

2165
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:07,820
And Amerco seems to be deciding that they're going to recuse themselves and pull out of the ecosystem

2166
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:09,900
or at least massively reduce their role.

2167
02:12:09,900 --> 02:12:13,600
That's what I was going to ask before we get into that, okay?

2168
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:16,200
That's what I was going to kind of tiptoe around.

2169
02:12:16,200 --> 02:12:25,600
um and and you know just one step at a time type of thing is you know um you know a couple of and

2170
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:31,420
you don't have to get in comment into this because you know the internet always wins type shit so if

2171
02:12:31,420 --> 02:12:36,860
you ever feel like you know it's non-constructive to what you know in the background just no don't

2172
02:12:36,860 --> 02:12:40,620
even just be like yo i don't want to talk about that shit until they resolve it or whatever right

2173
02:12:40,620 --> 02:12:49,000
um so you know there's a couple posts made been like hey they are um sort of recusing themselves

2174
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:57,460
from being part of the pentad or at least what we kind of gathered um was that the the translation

2175
02:12:57,460 --> 02:13:03,400
and phil was like hey this translation uh kind of states something but at the same time and

2176
02:13:03,400 --> 02:13:11,800
it whatever but they're recusing themselves from the pentad and i and i'm like oh what was your

2177
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:16,920
what is your i mean it may have been just like a japanese to english translation thing because in

2178
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:22,860
english they said we're stepping away from the pentad in japanese they said we are stepping away

2179
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:33,360
from being a cardano founding entity that's what i'm saying yeah um it's hard to say uh so

2180
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,320
So there's three dimensions to this.

2181
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:40,840
The first dimension is the immediate, what are you going to do about the real five, excuse

2182
02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:42,460
me, the second five people?

2183
02:13:42,620 --> 02:13:45,700
What are you going to do about those people and how you're going to take care of them?

2184
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:52,020
Now, the problem is that there is an easy, happy path, and then there's a not so easy,

2185
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:52,660
happy path.

2186
02:13:52,740 --> 02:13:57,760
And having lived the not so easy, happy path for more than 10 years, I unfortunately have

2187
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,120
enough trauma to tell you the consequences of it.

2188
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:08,900
Um, the easy path is what Phil and I have been working on with others, which is, you know, a, some form of recovery application.

2189
02:14:09,160 --> 02:14:10,680
The technical path.

2190
02:14:11,180 --> 02:14:13,680
Yeah, the white hat puts the money into that.

2191
02:14:13,900 --> 02:14:16,380
And then basically people redeem passively.

2192
02:14:16,380 --> 02:14:20,260
And, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's a smart contract.

2193
02:14:20,340 --> 02:14:21,460
It's non-custodial.

2194
02:14:21,660 --> 02:14:21,980
Huzzah.

2195
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:22,440
Awesome.

2196
02:14:23,140 --> 02:14:27,040
The non-easy path is you've lost your keywords or the black cat got the money.

2197
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:32,220
then the problem is that you can't prove that your money,

2198
02:14:32,420 --> 02:14:36,920
but the money is still in the custody of a Merco or the white hat,

2199
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:38,960
or if they're one in the same.

2200
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:39,820
Okay.

2201
02:14:39,900 --> 02:14:44,580
So that's a big fucking problem because how do you prove you were the owner

2202
02:14:44,580 --> 02:14:45,260
of that wallet?

2203
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:46,300
You know,

2204
02:14:46,380 --> 02:14:46,720
what's the,

2205
02:14:46,940 --> 02:14:48,100
isn't this ironic Charles?

2206
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:49,460
Isn't this fucking ironic?

2207
02:14:50,180 --> 02:14:50,980
This is the eight of us.

2208
02:14:50,980 --> 02:14:52,880
Now the eight of us are very different.

2209
02:14:53,180 --> 02:14:54,860
I never had that problem.

2210
02:14:54,860 --> 02:15:03,060
And the reason being is when the crowd sale was done by Attain in Japan, they forced everybody to KYC.

2211
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,000
So we had their passports.

2212
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:07,000
We had bank account information.

2213
02:15:07,220 --> 02:15:08,500
We had real-life human identity.

2214
02:15:09,140 --> 02:15:13,720
So if somebody came and said, I'm Mr. Ichi, and I bought this thing, we could go into the KYC profile.

2215
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:21,700
There's 9,400-some people, and MWE and BDO audited that, and they meticulously went through and matched everything.

2216
02:15:21,700 --> 02:15:26,820
we could go through that and be like, yeah, okay, you did buy it on this date and this time and

2217
02:15:26,820 --> 02:15:30,400
these things. All right. You need to reconfirm your identity. You need to go through the entire

2218
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:35,400
KYC pipeline again, and then give us an address and we can bend. Pretty straightforward, right?

2219
02:15:35,780 --> 02:15:40,880
Well, nobody who had these wallets went through KYC. So how do I know that's Hosky's wallet,

2220
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:47,060
Esco's wallet, Phil's wallet, Mike's wallet? You just don't. You don't really know. And so

2221
02:15:47,060 --> 02:16:04,300
This is a real tough situation for that. They're in a difficult situation because people first did not consent to this mechanism. They technically could just sue EMURGO to try to get recourse or file a criminal complaint.

2222
02:16:04,300 --> 02:16:11,060
The other thing is that even if they do consent to this, what if they don't provide ample evidence?

2223
02:16:11,220 --> 02:16:13,380
And in Mergo's mind, they can't make that consideration.

2224
02:16:13,860 --> 02:16:18,160
Who is the decider and what is the governance structure for the unhappy past?

2225
02:16:18,180 --> 02:16:20,220
It's a deeper mess, dude.

2226
02:16:20,380 --> 02:16:21,520
Holy shit.

2227
02:16:21,540 --> 02:16:22,520
It's as bad as it gets.

2228
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:23,760
It's as bad as it gets.

2229
02:16:23,820 --> 02:16:27,820
And this is actually one of the reasons why Midnight Passport exists.

2230
02:16:27,820 --> 02:16:34,920
because what you can do with Midnight Passport is you can introduce the idea of verifying that

2231
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:40,160
an account belongs to somebody, but not reveal it until a later date. So you can sign a wallet and

2232
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:43,520
say, well, that's Phil's wallet or Esco's wallet. Only Phil or Esco could have signed that.

2233
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:47,340
And so you can create a proof of ownership structure, but not reveal the identity.

2234
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:51,640
So then if the wallet gets compromised, then you can come back later and prove that actually was

2235
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:56,300
your wallet and only you could have signed that. And it has a property called non-reputability.

2236
02:16:56,300 --> 02:17:24,640
So this is one of many, many, many applications of Midnight Passport. And it's one of the reasons why real people want to have KYC or some form of human identity involved in cryptocurrencies. And I understand it and I know the value of it. I just think the risks outweigh the benefits. So you need a different identity primitive, which is why we've been working very carefully and closely on adding Midnight to the conversation because you get a selective disclosure regime.

2237
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:29,540
And I think it's a fair compromise. But in lieu of that, it's just brutal to do this entire thing.

2238
02:17:29,960 --> 02:17:34,040
So the good news is the amount is relatively low. It's a few million dollars.

2239
02:17:34,420 --> 02:17:40,220
And the bad news is it's probably going to take about five years to 10 years to service that group of people.

2240
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:45,020
And it's going to have to be done meticulously. And a lot of third parties are going to have to be used.

2241
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:47,060
And it's basically a new aid of voucher.

2242
02:17:47,360 --> 02:17:51,100
Yeah, yeah. Then somebody can try and find them. Where's Monad, though?

2243
02:17:51,340 --> 02:17:53,380
I haven't seen him. I'm just trolling. I'm trolling, bro.

2244
02:17:53,380 --> 02:17:55,800
I don't think he said anything on this.

2245
02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:56,280
Exactly.

2246
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:58,680
He only hates Charles Hoskins.

2247
02:17:59,220 --> 02:18:00,980
Everything I do is evil and wrong.

2248
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:02,120
I'm the world's worst human being.

2249
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:02,940
A hundred percent.

2250
02:18:03,140 --> 02:18:04,000
He screwed everybody.

2251
02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:07,140
But when these other things happen, it's never an issue.

2252
02:18:08,020 --> 02:18:10,400
Again, you can't win with the internet.

2253
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:11,740
It's just not possible.

2254
02:18:13,260 --> 02:18:14,880
Let's outscrew a little bit.

2255
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:16,640
I'm trying to invite Bruno up here.

2256
02:18:16,780 --> 02:18:17,360
Shout out to Bruno.

2257
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:19,760
He's been joining the spaces recently.

2258
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:21,160
He's CTO for Algo.

2259
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:23,320
Algo Ram Foundation and stuff.

2260
02:18:23,380 --> 02:18:28,500
So I'm trying to have him come up here, you know, to just have a chat with you and everybody.

2261
02:18:28,740 --> 02:18:29,620
He used to work at Iowa.

2262
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:30,200
I know that.

2263
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:34,100
And I'm just trying to like, hey, yo, we're past the initial.

2264
02:18:34,620 --> 02:18:35,760
Which Bruno is this?

2265
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:37,340
Do you see him down there?

2266
02:18:37,580 --> 02:18:41,140
He's in front of a boat with the sun on the horizon and shit.

2267
02:18:44,060 --> 02:18:44,680
He'll pull up.

2268
02:18:44,740 --> 02:18:45,560
Let's see if he can pull up.

2269
02:18:45,560 --> 02:18:52,460
But the whole thing is like at the beginning of the industry, you know, there's very cutthroat, one-to-one.

2270
02:18:52,460 --> 02:18:59,780
cardano ethereum solana this whatever everybody's like fine yo like now we're past that stage in the

2271
02:18:59,780 --> 02:19:05,720
you know blockchain industry that now is about providing products and services with undeniable

2272
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:11,000
value propositions to the customer and it is it is not about like a very tribalistic approach as

2273
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:15,600
it used to be so you know like now that i've been hosting spaces nowadays i'm just making sure

2274
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:21,560
now it just is about you know the value prop of everything so and he's been been awesome and

2275
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:24,240
pulling up lately and stuff.

2276
02:19:24,380 --> 02:19:27,040
So just trying to invite him up here and making sure.

2277
02:19:27,880 --> 02:19:29,600
I wasn't aware that Bruno's out there.

2278
02:19:29,660 --> 02:19:30,700
Is that Bruno Martins?

2279
02:19:31,100 --> 02:19:31,420
Yeah.

2280
02:19:31,900 --> 02:19:33,020
Oh, that's so cool.

2281
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:33,560
Yeah, yeah.

2282
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:35,440
He used to work for us back in the day.

2283
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:39,700
Well, congratulations on the promotion, man.

2284
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:42,420
Yeah, so it's fire.

2285
02:19:42,420 --> 02:19:44,560
I don't know how the hell he ended up coming up in here.

2286
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:46,180
Man, he's bored or something.

2287
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:47,980
But he talks about a lot.

2288
02:19:47,980 --> 02:19:52,060
You know, he still watches the community.

2289
02:19:52,060 --> 02:19:56,560
Apparently, Algorand has some, you know, they use similar key derivation.

2290
02:19:56,560 --> 02:20:02,580
And he was talking about last time there, you know, we have a common issue, which is

2291
02:20:02,580 --> 02:20:09,600
hardware wallet support and how hardware wallet sort of just like all the chains for like

2292
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:15,540
if you're not Ethereum, they'll just like, OK, you have to pay me forever to do anything,

2293
02:20:15,540 --> 02:20:16,540
which isn't great.

2294
02:20:16,540 --> 02:20:20,540
super fire like hanging out with Phil and Micro and Lucas.

2295
02:20:20,540 --> 02:20:27,300
It's just like changed the entire dynamic of what before were like very degenerate meme

2296
02:20:27,300 --> 02:20:37,640
and NFT minting kind of spaces into very like tech oriented, solutions oriented, business

2297
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,900
oriented spaces and stuff.

2298
02:20:39,900 --> 02:20:41,340
And it's far more enjoyable.

2299
02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:42,460
But yo, Bruno, what's up?

2300
02:20:42,460 --> 02:20:44,040
You got Charles up in here.

2301
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:47,540
I saw you down there, so I figured I would just kind of shoot the shot, bro.

2302
02:20:48,060 --> 02:20:48,720
I'm dead.

2303
02:20:49,980 --> 02:20:50,640
Thanks, man.

2304
02:20:50,860 --> 02:20:58,020
I like to join, and I was not planning on speaking, but the Algorand guys don't do many spaces.

2305
02:20:58,700 --> 02:21:02,220
And I really like Cardano still, so I just like to join you guys.

2306
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:04,640
Hey, Charles.

2307
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:06,340
Long time to see you.

2308
02:21:06,340 --> 02:21:07,080
Good to see you again, man.

2309
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:07,600
Long time.

2310
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:07,820
Good to see you.

2311
02:21:07,820 --> 02:21:09,640
I was trying to remember when you left IO.

2312
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:11,880
Was that like 2021, 2022?

2313
02:21:12,460 --> 02:21:12,820
Yes.

2314
02:21:12,820 --> 02:21:14,660
I remember you were with us for a while.

2315
02:21:15,320 --> 02:21:16,800
Yes, it was a bit ago.

2316
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:22,680
But I still follow Cardano and I've been joining some of the spaces of the community

2317
02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:28,620
because there's a lot of synergy between the two ecosystems,

2318
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:32,200
especially around crypto primitives and R&D.

2319
02:21:32,620 --> 02:21:38,500
We share a lot of things and it's very interesting to me to hear what everywhere else is doing.

2320
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:44,260
And I think it's a tie that raises all boats if we align on something.

2321
02:21:44,900 --> 02:21:46,660
Well, remember John Woods went over too.

2322
02:21:46,660 --> 02:21:49,860
We have a saying like only the good IO engineers go to Al Grant.

2323
02:21:49,860 --> 02:21:50,580
We send them.

2324
02:21:50,580 --> 02:21:53,620
That's crazy.

2325
02:21:53,620 --> 02:21:54,740
I can confirm.

2326
02:21:57,460 --> 02:22:00,500
But no, actually, it's Al Grant's one of the good ones.

2327
02:22:00,500 --> 02:22:03,380
You know, there's a lot of wonderful ideas there.

2328
02:22:03,380 --> 02:22:10,500
Like Silvio was the guy who came up with using a VRF with the cryptographic certition and these other things.

2329
02:22:10,780 --> 02:22:15,800
And it's a legit, solid protocol, solid ecosystem.

2330
02:22:16,480 --> 02:22:21,680
The one thing that Algorand didn't do that always surprised me, because you guys had Craig Gentry working for you.

2331
02:22:21,700 --> 02:22:24,500
And I always got jealous over that because Craig is a hero of mine.

2332
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:26,260
And he invented homomorphic encryption.

2333
02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:27,400
He was Dan Bonet's student.

2334
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:34,900
And I figured for sure you guys were going to go heavy into lattices and do a lot of lattice-based crypto in Algorand.

2335
02:22:35,020 --> 02:22:37,840
And you did Falcon, which was on the hash side of the aisle.

2336
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:41,520
But I just thought for sure there was going to be this major lattice play.

2337
02:22:41,660 --> 02:22:44,440
You guys were going to be the first to productize lattice-based folding.

2338
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,220
And I was kind of sad that that didn't come in.

2339
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:48,720
Well, we are.

2340
02:22:49,020 --> 02:22:54,020
So we have Chris Pycard, which I'm sure you know.

2341
02:22:54,460 --> 02:22:54,640
Yeah.

2342
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:58,880
um i mean i don't know if i'd say he's probably one of the fathers of the whole

2343
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:09,920
modern lattice space and we are putting a lot of work in falcon in particular and there's two

2344
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:16,480
versions of falcon um that we're working on so one already there is falcon 1024

2345
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:22,560
because we use account model so there's a half size which i think might be interesting for you

2346
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:25,880
you guys because UTXO is a bit more efficient in that space.

2347
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:30,660
You probably can live with Falcon 512 if you guys want.

2348
02:23:30,860 --> 02:23:34,600
I mean, this is another topic where for me, I just think it's a lot of synergy

2349
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:38,600
between the two ecosystems.

2350
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:42,340
And we're going to put a lot of work around lattices in Falcon

2351
02:23:42,340 --> 02:23:46,840
and the whole post-quantum sort of efforts.

2352
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:50,540
So what you're saying is you're also working

2353
02:23:50,540 --> 02:23:51,880
on some sort of lattice solution?

2354
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:55,100
Yes, Falcon is sort of

2355
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:57,360
Lattice. There are other

2356
02:23:57,360 --> 02:23:59,420
schemes that we have been

2357
02:23:59,420 --> 02:24:01,240
looking at, but because, I mean, we have

2358
02:24:01,240 --> 02:24:03,260
we've been using Falcon for a long time

2359
02:24:03,260 --> 02:24:04,180
since 2022

2360
02:24:04,180 --> 02:24:07,420
I wasn't there, but there's state proofs

2361
02:24:08,460 --> 02:24:10,980
uses Falcon for

2362
02:24:10,980 --> 02:24:12,320
quite a long time

2363
02:24:12,320 --> 02:24:15,100
and now we're adding to actual

2364
02:24:15,100 --> 02:24:17,280
native accounts, so accounts and algorithm

2365
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:18,820
will be authorized with

2366
02:24:18,820 --> 02:24:20,140
Falcon signatures

2367
02:24:20,140 --> 02:24:40,380
Yeah, and Falcon's really cool. I think NIST even brought you guys into the standards suite for it. We were looking at Falcon because we're working on Dan Bonet's paper and what's his face, this paper from Sharanath from Microsoft Research on lattice-based folding.

2368
02:24:40,380 --> 02:24:51,380
And we've been thinking really deeply and carefully about what is the ideal lattice-based scheme to optimize for folding and do embedded proofs.

2369
02:24:52,100 --> 02:25:05,380
And so it's kind of hard because you tend to have radically different cryptography and optimizations for the inner proof for the folding part versus the outer proof for the embedding part when you want to emit a proof and put it on the chain.

2370
02:25:05,380 --> 02:25:11,740
so we've been able to get the folding components to work really well and a big thing for me is can

2371
02:25:11,740 --> 02:25:16,860
i do this with like a new arithmetization where you use a tensor ccs and you're able to use cuda

2372
02:25:16,860 --> 02:25:23,060
to optimize that so you can just fall back on all the nvidia software and you get like these crazy

2373
02:25:23,060 --> 02:25:31,320
fast gpu optimized folding proofs but on the but we did look at falcon actually for a proof embedding

2374
02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:36,880
for the outer proof. And I think there's definitely some optimizations there. Talking with Dan

2375
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:42,940
over at Stanford, he still thinks there's room for about another halving or quartering of the

2376
02:25:42,940 --> 02:25:48,520
proof sizes for lattice-based crypto. And that would be awesome because then you could start

2377
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:54,320
talking about like 10 kilobyte, 20 kilobyte proofs, as opposed to these much larger proofs

2378
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:58,280
that exist. The other thing that we've been talking about is like, should we just bite the

2379
02:25:58,280 --> 02:26:03,080
bullet and start talking about an actual end-to-end formal specification of some of the

2380
02:26:03,080 --> 02:26:08,500
mathematical problems that are underlying there, like module SIS and these things.

2381
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:12,980
And so we've been having a lot of fun asking what level of formalization is possible.

2382
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:18,440
One of the guys on our team that you may have met when you worked with us was Markov Kohlweiss.

2383
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:24,980
And he worked at Microsoft Research for years, and he led the Everest project with a bunch

2384
02:26:24,980 --> 02:26:30,420
other guys. And that's where they were trying to do F-star formal verification of TLS and a lot of

2385
02:26:30,420 --> 02:26:36,760
the web crypto stack. And so they learned a huge amount from that. And I think with all the new

2386
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:41,060
tooling that we've developed, there's actually a direct line of sight to do some pretty aggressive

2387
02:26:41,060 --> 02:26:45,420
formal engineering. And this is where I could see us working with you guys at Algorand. If

2388
02:26:45,420 --> 02:26:49,920
you're really serious, you say, hey, we think this is as good as it gets. And Chris is like,

2389
02:26:49,940 --> 02:26:54,540
I can't optimize this anymore. Then at that point, it may make sense to go and say, fuck it,

2390
02:26:54,540 --> 02:26:59,920
Let's go and do a reference implementation in a formally verified stack.

2391
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:06,380
So you get really hardened crypto that's portable and you kind of have a multi institution library.

2392
02:27:06,540 --> 02:27:14,120
So you bring a bunch of crypto people together from various chains and we all go and highly optimize it and get it working really well.

2393
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:20,200
And then we go over the NIST and be like, hey, make sure this stays in the standard suite so people can build ASICs for it.

2394
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:25,180
inside the chips, just like they did AES and elliptic curve crypto and all these other things.

2395
02:27:25,960 --> 02:27:31,500
I'd forgotten that Falcon was lattice-based there for a second. I was thinking it was

2396
02:27:31,500 --> 02:27:35,880
hash-based. I was confusing you guys for Sphinx. Oh, no, we're not in that camp.

2397
02:27:36,480 --> 02:27:40,480
You're on the lattice side. I mean, yeah, because you guys have good cryptographers.

2398
02:27:40,820 --> 02:27:48,300
Ethereum doesn't. Let's go to hash-based crypto. You're like, okay, so you don't even have additive

2399
02:27:48,300 --> 02:27:53,820
homomorphism you have no good algebraic properties with this so you're going to be like post quantum

2400
02:27:53,820 --> 02:27:58,220
until you need to do something useful like a threshold signature or whatever and then you have

2401
02:27:58,220 --> 02:28:02,060
to build some sort of giant muguffin and that doesn't really work well and it doesn't scale

2402
02:28:02,060 --> 02:28:08,240
meanwhile lattice world it's algebraically richer than uh elliptic curves you can do everything with

2403
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:12,780
it you know and you can do homomorphic encryption multi-party computation all this other stuff

2404
02:28:12,780 --> 02:28:17,940
so you have a universal crypto primitive so yeah so yeah many of you guys hire craig and chris and

2405
02:28:17,940 --> 02:28:21,800
these other guys, I just figured you guys were going to be like the leader in the space for

2406
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:26,460
lattices. And I was kind of waiting for like an end to end lattice thesis of how we're going to

2407
02:28:26,460 --> 02:28:31,720
do lattice with VDFs and VRFs and do a post quantum VRF and lattices for signatures and

2408
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:35,160
lattices for encryption and all this stuff. So then we just get on that and be like, hey,

2409
02:28:35,160 --> 02:28:38,520
can we throw some money and join a coalition and co-develop it with you guys?

2410
02:28:39,480 --> 02:28:47,540
Well, I don't know how much your crypto guys actually tell you everything, but we've met a

2411
02:28:47,540 --> 02:28:51,740
couple times and we've actually been talking about VRF so we actually

2412
02:28:51,740 --> 02:28:58,000
publicly announced our PQ roadmap and there will be so we have an idea for a

2413
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:06,080
VRF for post-quantum VRF that will be useful for everybody Chris says might put

2414
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:11,240
the paper early next year so I mean everything you said I agree with Charles

2415
02:29:11,240 --> 02:29:13,300
I think we should chat.

2416
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:16,420
I chatted with Jesus and what's his name?

2417
02:29:17,660 --> 02:29:18,140
Inago?

2418
02:29:18,440 --> 02:29:18,740
Fergie.

2419
02:29:19,260 --> 02:29:19,660
Oh, Fergie.

2420
02:29:19,660 --> 02:29:20,480
No, I haven't speak with him.

2421
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:21,060
Yes.

2422
02:29:21,500 --> 02:29:25,340
I spoke with him a couple of times and just to introduce the topic,

2423
02:29:26,140 --> 02:29:31,720
because I align with you, like we're doing work and that rises everybody's

2424
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:32,340
boat.

2425
02:29:32,520 --> 02:29:35,540
So it's kind of like benefits everybody.

2426
02:29:36,220 --> 02:29:40,080
Well, you know, I talked about this with Silvio back at Milken and I think it

2427
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:45,220
was 2022 and um you know because he was there i was there and we he's like yeah we should do a

2428
02:29:45,220 --> 02:29:48,780
post quantum vrf and we was always like one of those things we were going to get around to and

2429
02:29:48,780 --> 02:29:55,440
we never got around to it but uh now that you know there's uh the right people i i think the time has

2430
02:29:55,440 --> 02:30:00,640
come and uh what i would love to do see if we can do it as like an lfdt project because we're working

2431
02:30:00,640 --> 02:30:04,480
with the linux foundation i don't know if you know about the night stream project that we did

2432
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:08,940
with the linux foundation but that's where we're doing all the lattice-based crypto so we implemented

2433
02:30:08,940 --> 02:30:13,840
did lattice fold and, you know, um, and we wrote it all in rust and we have a really beautiful

2434
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:17,920
working implementation of it. And we've been building it as a consortia. So we're getting

2435
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:22,120
like Stanford to come in and all these other guys to come in, be a lot of fun to see if we get

2436
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:28,360
Algorand and just say, Hey, let's do a standard post-quantum VRF and then talk about the whole

2437
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:34,380
stack. So all the underlying primitives that go into it, harden them, um, you know, get them to

2438
02:30:34,380 --> 02:30:39,060
be much more efficient, get a reference Rust implementation, and then a reference Agda or

2439
02:30:39,060 --> 02:30:45,140
Lean Blueprint for it. And then it becomes kind of a canonical library that everybody can use

2440
02:30:45,140 --> 02:30:50,060
because it just makes no sense to roll your own crypto and everybody builds their own implementation

2441
02:30:50,060 --> 02:30:56,360
in an age of Fable and Mythic and these new InfoSec tools, somebody's going to fuck it up.

2442
02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:01,780
And especially when you're dealing zero knowledge work, it's catastrophic, the bug. So to me,

2443
02:31:01,780 --> 02:31:07,120
It makes a lot of sense to bring a collection of people together and say, hey, you know, let's get this done.

2444
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:14,620
And then it becomes a reference library that that everybody can use because the real magic is in the layer above that.

2445
02:31:14,860 --> 02:31:21,500
You know how you apply the crypto for your DAP and DeFi ecosystem, how you integrate it into your particular consensus algorithms and things like that.

2446
02:31:21,660 --> 02:31:26,900
And our interest is primarily on the lattice space folding side.

2447
02:31:26,900 --> 02:31:38,180
And we're also very interested in seeing if there's anything salvageable from the fully homomorphic encryption world, because they have all these incredible libraries that exist that they've worked on for like 10 or 15 years.

2448
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:48,660
And the math is roughly the same. The libraries are roughly the same. There may be some translation point that we can pull in and then we get to reuse an enormous amount of code.

2449
02:31:48,660 --> 02:31:49,640
yeah

2450
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:52,720
we're basing our

2451
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,000
applied cryptolibs on the

2452
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:56,780
original Falcon

2453
02:31:56,780 --> 02:31:58,480
team C implementation

2454
02:31:58,480 --> 02:32:00,940
with that said

2455
02:32:00,940 --> 02:32:02,760
there's some requirements that we have

2456
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:05,100
and you guys probably have different requirements

2457
02:32:05,100 --> 02:32:05,820
that you want to do

2458
02:32:05,820 --> 02:32:08,960
we can chat about it because I do think

2459
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:10,440
there's so much

2460
02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:12,280
things could align

2461
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:15,060
not just on Falcon because we want

2462
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:15,460
to be

2463
02:32:15,460 --> 02:32:18,040
we want to have

2464
02:32:18,040 --> 02:32:20,760
crypto agility as a property

2465
02:32:20,760 --> 02:32:23,360
of the system because these new schemes

2466
02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:25,480
they're maturing but we don't know the future

2467
02:32:25,480 --> 02:32:26,740
they can be

2468
02:32:26,740 --> 02:32:28,240
quantum resilient

2469
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,280
but classical vulnerable

2470
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:33,240
we don't know what can happen

2471
02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:34,940
so much so that things like TLS

2472
02:32:34,940 --> 02:32:35,880
use these hybrid

2473
02:32:35,880 --> 02:32:38,580
signature schemes now

2474
02:32:38,580 --> 02:32:40,360
but that's one

2475
02:32:40,360 --> 02:32:42,200
the other thing I was thinking the other day

2476
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:44,640
that will be great to chat with you guys

2477
02:32:44,640 --> 02:32:47,060
is around the standards

2478
02:32:47,060 --> 02:32:51,980
that we are going to expect from things like the hardware wallets,

2479
02:32:51,980 --> 02:32:56,760
how to derive seeds, keep the same words and derive seeds

2480
02:32:56,760 --> 02:32:58,280
for these new crypto schemes.

2481
02:32:59,140 --> 02:33:01,640
There are certain things that are going to get lost.

2482
02:33:02,260 --> 02:33:04,000
I've been chatting with Chris about this.

2483
02:33:05,620 --> 02:33:11,240
That whole property of hardened versus soft derivation

2484
02:33:11,240 --> 02:33:12,740
that we do with the elliptic curves,

2485
02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:16,920
because we derive scalars down a tree,

2486
02:33:17,060 --> 02:33:24,700
With lattices, there's not a known path to do that.

2487
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:28,700
And most people, we don't know what is the scheme is going to win.

2488
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:32,660
So it's a bit early to put all the eggs in one basket.

2489
02:33:32,820 --> 02:33:38,220
But there's probably some agnostic derivation schemes that could benefit everybody.

2490
02:33:38,220 --> 02:33:41,980
And we are releasing native Falcon accounts, but we're kind of waiting.

2491
02:33:41,980 --> 02:33:48,700
we're not going to have hardware wallets because we don't want to roll out our own standard without

2492
02:33:48,700 --> 02:33:54,060
the line aligning with everybody else because then we'll there'll be no interoperability like

2493
02:33:55,020 --> 02:34:00,940
anybody moving from a wallet from ecosystem ecosystem will sort of be there's so much

2494
02:34:00,940 --> 02:34:08,140
friction it doesn't benefit anybody yeah i mean um the same properties that make uh lattices

2495
02:34:08,140 --> 02:34:13,980
resistant to a Shor's algorithm make it notoriously difficult, non-trivial to do

2496
02:34:13,980 --> 02:34:21,800
key derivation. So you gain a magical mathematical property, but then you give up something on the

2497
02:34:21,800 --> 02:34:27,220
other side. That said, I do believe that there's some work in the FHE world that could be ported

2498
02:34:27,220 --> 02:34:32,720
over to allow key derivation to exist in a slightly different way. And so the idea is that

2499
02:34:32,720 --> 02:34:37,640
you have an on-chain vending contract, and it's basically an FHE contract, and you trigger it

2500
02:34:37,640 --> 02:34:41,400
and then it generates a new key pair for you.

2501
02:34:41,900 --> 02:34:44,300
And so instead of having a direct derivation chain

2502
02:34:44,300 --> 02:34:45,800
where you go from 24 keywords,

2503
02:34:46,100 --> 02:34:47,980
you have some sort of chain of evidence

2504
02:34:47,980 --> 02:34:51,180
and then you're able to trigger like a generative box.

2505
02:34:51,440 --> 02:34:52,620
So we did look at that.

2506
02:34:52,700 --> 02:34:54,680
I looked at OpenFHE in particular

2507
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:57,460
and I was trying to figure out like at what threshold,

2508
02:34:57,840 --> 02:34:59,900
what order of magnitude reduction

2509
02:34:59,900 --> 02:35:05,700
do these on-chain artifacts become pretty cost-effective to do?

2510
02:35:05,820 --> 02:35:07,000
And we're not quite there yet.

2511
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:11,280
We need about another thousand X reduction of compute, but then we could start entertaining

2512
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:11,600
that.

2513
02:35:11,720 --> 02:35:15,620
What's really nice is then your entire blockchain can actually hold a key.

2514
02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:17,860
So, you know, we run into this the Cardano treasury.

2515
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:24,320
I don't know how deep you got when you're working with us on like SIP 1694 or any of

2516
02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:29,960
the Cardano stuff we were working on, but the treasury, you know, it's going to hold

2517
02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:31,040
third-party assets.

2518
02:35:31,320 --> 02:35:36,340
The challenge is that if the treasury was holding Bitcoin or other things, you can't

2519
02:35:36,340 --> 02:35:39,780
just put private keys on the blockchain itself.

2520
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:42,140
So you need some sort of like control structure

2521
02:35:42,140 --> 02:35:43,360
or delegated authority for that.

2522
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:45,160
But if you had an FHE box,

2523
02:35:45,160 --> 02:35:47,780
you could actually have the blockchain have control

2524
02:35:47,780 --> 02:35:51,900
and the access control for that is a governance action.

2525
02:35:51,900 --> 02:35:53,520
So people go and do a bunch of things

2526
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:55,900
that happens within the on-chain enclave

2527
02:35:55,900 --> 02:35:58,720
and then the enclave generates a signature

2528
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:00,880
or a key rotation or something like that.

2529
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:04,220
And it doesn't ever require you to decrypt it

2530
02:36:04,220 --> 02:36:05,520
to facilitate that.

2531
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:13,260
So this idea that a blockchain can hold a private key and it can be public, but private at the same time is like a super cool, interesting thing from FHE.

2532
02:36:13,260 --> 02:36:23,420
And that would completely resolve some of these other things like HD wallets or shared secrets or recovery phrases or other things like that without relying on something.

2533
02:36:23,820 --> 02:36:26,000
But again, you know, happy to take a look.

2534
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:29,740
And, you know, and I know that we've been talking back and forth.

2535
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:33,760
I wasn't aware that on your side, you guys actually want to do it.

2536
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:38,900
we were waiting for kind of like a publication to come out because I figured if Chris or somebody

2537
02:36:38,900 --> 02:36:43,500
really was really serious that, you know, the guy's a monster. He publishes papers like crazy.

2538
02:36:43,980 --> 02:36:47,480
You'd go just, you know, write it down and say, okay, this is what we're going to do. And then

2539
02:36:47,480 --> 02:36:51,960
we look at it and say like, oh, okay, is this compatible? And if it is, hey, let's go and

2540
02:36:51,960 --> 02:36:58,160
let's figure out an implementation and do a bunch of work with that. But I tell you what, I'll fork

2541
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:03,400
Falcon tonight, take a look, and I'm going to go talk to Nico or Quirius, who's doing the

2542
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:07,340
implementation lead for a night stream and be a lot of fun to see if we can actually use the

2543
02:37:07,340 --> 02:37:13,860
outer proof as Falcon and what that looks like and what the size of it is. And it'll be really

2544
02:37:13,860 --> 02:37:20,160
cool to see if we can build a validation contract, a verification contract on midnight for that and

2545
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:27,320
what that looks like. So I'll let you know. And it's great to see again. I always enjoy,

2546
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:32,620
I've been in the space so long, like everybody has worked at IO at some point and they either

2547
02:37:32,620 --> 02:37:36,460
had a positive or negative experience, but we were like the rite of passage that you

2548
02:37:36,460 --> 02:37:39,040
have to get through for this type of work.

2549
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,720
So it's always good to see an XIOG were floating around.

2550
02:37:41,720 --> 02:37:44,980
And congratulations on becoming the CTO of Algorand.

2551
02:37:45,100 --> 02:37:46,180
It's a phenomenal organization.

2552
02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:47,120
Stacey's great.

2553
02:37:47,400 --> 02:37:49,960
And that's a great cryptocurrency.

2554
02:37:50,380 --> 02:37:53,700
And we have a tremendous amount of respect for it here at Input Output.

2555
02:37:54,480 --> 02:37:54,960
Awesome.

2556
02:37:55,140 --> 02:37:56,240
Thanks so much, Charles.

2557
02:37:56,380 --> 02:38:00,300
And I enjoyed my time and I owe you a lot.

2558
02:38:00,300 --> 02:38:03,240
and it's all a lot of things to you as well.

2559
02:38:03,940 --> 02:38:05,060
I like Cardano.

2560
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:08,820
I still like to touch base.

2561
02:38:09,460 --> 02:38:14,080
And if you want to speak with Chris, maybe,

2562
02:38:14,300 --> 02:38:16,720
and you want to talk crypto

2563
02:38:16,720 --> 02:38:20,180
and see if there is alignment somewhere,

2564
02:38:20,400 --> 02:38:22,800
happy to set something up

2565
02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:24,320
and get you in front of Chris

2566
02:38:24,320 --> 02:38:25,520
and discuss ideas.

2567
02:38:25,900 --> 02:38:27,680
And yeah.

2568
02:38:28,500 --> 02:38:30,820
Hey, I just sent you a message over Slack.

2569
02:38:30,980 --> 02:38:35,320
You may be still in our Slack in one of the shared channels that we have from DREC.

2570
02:38:35,800 --> 02:38:38,320
Can you see if you got the PM for me?

2571
02:38:39,620 --> 02:38:40,040
Oh, yeah.

2572
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:40,600
I got it.

2573
02:38:40,700 --> 02:38:41,080
Oh, okay.

2574
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:41,500
All right.

2575
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:42,460
So you're already in my contact.

2576
02:38:43,740 --> 02:38:44,100
Awesome.

2577
02:38:45,020 --> 02:38:45,380
Yeah.

2578
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:45,700
All right.

2579
02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:46,480
We'll talk offline.

2580
02:38:47,700 --> 02:38:48,440
Now, this is fire.

2581
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:48,620
Yeah.

2582
02:38:48,760 --> 02:38:54,440
We're in the stage where the crypto space itself is unifying and finding solutions that

2583
02:38:54,440 --> 02:39:02,620
are synergistic and interoperable to everything you know this is awesome to be honest like to me

2584
02:39:02,620 --> 02:39:09,500
I've been kind of crying out loud that you know divided leadership leads to divided communities

2585
02:39:09,500 --> 02:39:17,460
and in the silos and everything and you know Bruno up in here from algo Charles we got Alex

2586
02:39:17,460 --> 02:39:23,680
from CF you know every dude like it's up it's about the collective effort dude and even though

2587
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:25,100
I talk a lot of shit on the internet, bro.

2588
02:39:25,500 --> 02:39:27,160
You know, like, I got to instigate people.

2589
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:30,160
I got to instigate people to get certain conversations going.

2590
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:31,360
This is fire.

2591
02:39:31,500 --> 02:39:36,580
But, yo, Alex, you've been, I know you just came up and stuff.

2592
02:39:36,580 --> 02:39:42,100
We were yapping about several other things regarding Second Cry and blah, blah,

2593
02:39:42,220 --> 02:39:45,240
earlier, and then Bruno came up.

2594
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:48,300
They also chatted about shit that I have no idea.

2595
02:39:48,400 --> 02:39:49,000
What the hell?

2596
02:39:49,060 --> 02:39:52,820
They were just talking about elliptic curves and holy shit.

2597
02:39:52,820 --> 02:39:57,520
I'm the facilitator of the situation, but how are you doing, dude?

2598
02:39:59,740 --> 02:40:00,860
I'm doing good, man.

2599
02:40:01,320 --> 02:40:06,860
I came into the space just because I finished packing most of my apartment into boxes.

2600
02:40:07,300 --> 02:40:08,080
About to move.

2601
02:40:08,860 --> 02:40:12,820
And then I just see a whole bunch of peeps in here, Phil, Charles.

2602
02:40:13,220 --> 02:40:14,040
I'm like, who's Bruno?

2603
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:14,580
And I click.

2604
02:40:14,660 --> 02:40:16,880
It's like, oh, this is the CDO of Algorand Foundation.

2605
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:17,980
It's pretty awesome.

2606
02:40:17,980 --> 02:40:23,000
I didn't understand a lot of the deep crypto stuff myself.

2607
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,400
I do know homomorphic encryption is pretty cool

2608
02:40:26,400 --> 02:40:28,120
in the sense that you have two data sets

2609
02:40:28,120 --> 02:40:30,200
that speak to each other without revealing information.

2610
02:40:30,920 --> 02:40:32,140
But that's pretty much it.

2611
02:40:32,540 --> 02:40:33,160
But doing good.

2612
02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:35,980
We've got a second heat wave hitting us in Europe right now.

2613
02:40:37,580 --> 02:40:39,140
You're taking off. Where are you going?

2614
02:40:40,460 --> 02:40:42,100
Just to the other side of the city.

2615
02:40:42,100 --> 02:40:43,180
I'm dead.

2616
02:40:43,180 --> 02:40:51,380
um uh you know i see that the the orion fund thing i know you know charles aware of it you're aware

2617
02:40:51,380 --> 02:40:57,420
of obviously the orion funds um submissions i'm gonna try and keep the conversation going obviously

2618
02:40:57,420 --> 02:41:04,820
um the orion fund submissions just kind of are closed today and uh that's pretty cool considering

2619
02:41:04,820 --> 02:41:12,220
that it's kind of it was a very big ask shout out to samiz known him for a long time and uh

2620
02:41:12,220 --> 02:41:22,520
So how do you feel about that? How do you guys feel about that, Charles, about Orion Fund and the processes that it's about to lead into investment into Cardano Ventures?

2621
02:41:22,520 --> 02:41:28,220
Well, I mean, I'm like Dr. Hibbert, you know, I was like, after I own 5% of the steakhouse,

2622
02:41:28,220 --> 02:41:34,820
I have no problem with it. Now that it's approved, right? I'm on the other side where

2623
02:41:34,820 --> 02:41:40,040
obviously IO Ventures are going to go and talk to them and say, hey, we're probably the most

2624
02:41:40,040 --> 02:41:44,080
likely to succeed because of our pedigree legacy and the things that...

2625
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:45,880
Merit, merit, pure merit base.

2626
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:50,760
Yeah. And so it probably makes sense to us to be the anchor investment for a collection of

2627
02:41:50,760 --> 02:41:55,700
things like Pogan, for example, is going up for fundraising. And I think that's a foregone

2628
02:41:55,700 --> 02:42:01,520
conclusion that that's going to work. I really, it would be who the Ryan to get five or 10

2629
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:07,380
investments in their anchor portfolio that showcase the best of Cardano and the innovations

2630
02:42:07,380 --> 02:42:12,860
of Cardano. Even if they're token investments, it's just, you gotta, whenever you start a new

2631
02:42:12,860 --> 02:42:18,700
fund, you really gotta say, Hey, what's this fund about? Like in C fund, the VC that I set up,

2632
02:42:18,700 --> 02:42:22,660
You know, our largest investment actually ended up being not even in cryptocurrency.

2633
02:42:22,980 --> 02:42:24,060
You know what company it was?

2634
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:25,380
No, it's not.

2635
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,960
It was Colossal, the company that brought back the Willie Mammoth.

2636
02:42:29,300 --> 02:42:31,360
You know, it's well working on bringing back the Willie Mammoth.

2637
02:42:31,460 --> 02:42:32,880
It's brought back the dire wolf and everything.

2638
02:42:33,180 --> 02:42:35,160
We got in at like a crazy valuation.

2639
02:42:35,340 --> 02:42:37,620
Now it's worth $12 billion, the company.

2640
02:42:38,380 --> 02:42:43,600
So, you know, we had this like amazing portfolio where all of our non-crypto stuff did incredibly

2641
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:43,940
well.

2642
02:42:43,940 --> 02:42:50,100
like my immortal is another company and the biotechnology world and and then the woolly mammoth

2643
02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:55,220
company so so you got to get some anchor investments and it would be nice if those

2644
02:42:55,220 --> 02:43:00,640
anchor investments were actually cardano related and they have strong reasons why they have to stay

2645
02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:06,280
in the cardano ecosystem one of the most disheartening things when you do a cryptocurrency

2646
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:11,640
investment is they say oh we're going multi-chain and then you wake up and like 90 of the app has

2647
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:16,120
moved over to a different ecosystem. So you're the Cardano fund, but then you've put the money

2648
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:22,740
somewhere else, right? That's a problem. So I think Orion needs to build that initial portfolio,

2649
02:43:23,400 --> 02:43:27,640
make sure the people that they build in are anchored to Cardano in some way beyond just

2650
02:43:27,640 --> 02:43:32,620
some money. They have a philosophical alignment or a brand and reputation alignment where they

2651
02:43:32,620 --> 02:43:36,560
really can't pivot. And then when you have that nice anchor portfolio, then if the portfolio

2652
02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:43,200
succeeds, then you remove the stigma. The number one VC problem we have in Cardano right now is

2653
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:47,560
if you go to Valley, they're like, oh, why would you build on Cardano? That's like a waste of an

2654
02:43:47,560 --> 02:43:52,540
ecosystem. There's nothing there. There's nothing going on. No one succeeded from Cardano.

2655
02:43:53,140 --> 02:43:57,200
So Midnight helps move the conversation a little bit. But then they say, well,

2656
02:43:57,240 --> 02:44:02,580
it's successful despite Cardano because Charles put money into it and he's putting his own bank

2657
02:44:02,580 --> 02:44:06,840
roll into it, but a normal venture can't succeed. So you need about three to five breakthroughs

2658
02:44:06,840 --> 02:44:12,660
that are diverse in terms of the strategy, the founding team and other things. And they all have

2659
02:44:12,660 --> 02:44:17,080
to reach unicorn status and get to about a billion dollar valuation. And then they have to be

2660
02:44:17,080 --> 02:44:23,640
differentiated, meaning they do something unique, new and different from where from just the core

2661
02:44:23,640 --> 02:44:28,720
resident debt row. So you like Pogan brings Bitcoin DeFi. Oh, OK. All the UTXO guys are

2662
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:33,100
getting together and they're doing DeFi together. Okay. Yeah. That kind of makes sense. RealFi is

2663
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:36,820
like a microfinance play and all the yield comes from outside of the cryptocurrency space.

2664
02:44:37,260 --> 02:44:41,020
So if we're in a bear market, it's a great bear market product and it has a bank beyond bank

2665
02:44:41,020 --> 02:44:44,960
lens. And that feels a little different than other things that have come before. So, you know,

2666
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:48,800
you have different stories and narrative and they succeed in different economic conditions.

2667
02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:54,540
So if you build a portfolio like that out, then you have a pretty good possibility of,

2668
02:44:54,540 --> 02:44:58,360
of changing the narrative over the horizon.

2669
02:44:58,360 --> 02:45:02,680
The other thing that needs to be done, and I will talk to the Orion guys about this,

2670
02:45:02,680 --> 02:45:08,580
but IO, we opened up the office in Argentina, and that's been an overwhelming success.

2671
02:45:08,580 --> 02:45:13,920
Just actually yesterday, Jeremy Alari from Circle invited our people from our Argentina

2672
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,100
office to hang out with them.

2673
02:45:16,100 --> 02:45:20,880
The Argentina team spent time with the Circle team, and JJ's going to talk to their commercial

2674
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:22,160
lead now.

2675
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:24,780
That's just the dividends you get from having that footprint.

2676
02:45:24,780 --> 02:45:26,720
But Argentina is way off the beaten path.

2677
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:28,860
It's not part of the VC chain.

2678
02:45:28,860 --> 02:45:34,600
So really the big four in America are Miami, Austin, New York City, and Silicon Valley.

2679
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:38,840
It would be nice to see if we can get a footprint like the footprint we have in Argentina in

2680
02:45:38,840 --> 02:45:43,300
one or more of those jurisdictions, because then you have a place to park EIRs.

2681
02:45:43,300 --> 02:45:46,180
You have a place to do hackathons on a rolling basis.

2682
02:45:46,180 --> 02:45:48,780
You have a place to do workshops and showcase.

2683
02:45:48,780 --> 02:45:51,660
And you just have like, if you're a Cardano builder, you get to use this office.

2684
02:45:51,660 --> 02:46:10,800
You get to come on in. It doesn't cost a lot. And it has a massive brand builder for that because you go from the, oh, they were hot in 2021 and they reached a hundred dollar, a billion dollar valuation. And then they were also ran to actually there's still stuff going on and it's still a viable ecosystem. And look at all this cool and interesting stuff that people are building.

2685
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:15,160
The other thing is you always have a place to broadcast stuff from.

2686
02:46:15,380 --> 02:46:21,060
Like every two weeks we do a workshop presentation and usually a cross-chain event in the Argentina office.

2687
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:24,120
We've had, I think, 20 events in that office.

2688
02:46:24,260 --> 02:46:25,060
There's somewhere around there.

2689
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:32,840
And if you look at all the logos of people we work with, some are big companies, some are other cryptocurrencies like Solana, Avalanche, and so forth.

2690
02:46:32,960 --> 02:46:34,120
And some are Cardano native.

2691
02:46:34,360 --> 02:46:35,860
But we were able to bring all that together.

2692
02:46:35,860 --> 02:46:47,160
So these are some of the things that right off the top of my head, I think are fast follows to the proposal of kind of a strategy of how we can syndicate some things and a strategy of how they're going to get an anchor portfolio.

2693
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:58,140
And then what I'd like to see is for them to take a step up and have a real conversation about what is the long term path to change the brand and perception of Cardano.

2694
02:46:58,140 --> 02:47:02,340
As EMURGO steps back, there's now a commercial vacancy.

2695
02:47:02,340 --> 02:47:07,700
That's kind of a good thing because it gives us a fresh blood to look at the same problem.

2696
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:11,260
But we have to be intellectually honest about where the perception is at and where we want

2697
02:47:11,260 --> 02:47:13,140
the perception to go.

2698
02:47:13,140 --> 02:47:18,140
And so if we can consolidate a strategy together, we can put some real money behind it.

2699
02:47:18,140 --> 02:47:21,820
And within one or two cycles, we should be able to completely resolve that.

2700
02:47:21,820 --> 02:47:23,360
Because the technology is here.

2701
02:47:23,360 --> 02:47:35,240
If I can validate a GROTH 16 proof on Cardano efficiently, if I can scale extended UTXO

2702
02:47:35,240 --> 02:47:40,000
and do tons of concurrent things and have two, 300 events in one transaction, if I have

2703
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:44,920
LAOS come and we can do two to 500 transactions per second, we have direct line of sight,

2704
02:47:44,920 --> 02:47:49,160
we have fast finality coming in a fast follow with Paris and the partner chain's paradigm

2705
02:47:49,160 --> 02:47:52,980
is turning on and on-chain governance just about to go through its second major iteration

2706
02:47:52,980 --> 02:47:59,080
we don't have a technology problem or a devx problem anymore that's done it's here it works

2707
02:47:59,080 --> 02:48:07,160
we now have a distribution distribution distribution that's that's the world that

2708
02:48:07,160 --> 02:48:13,820
orion lives in okay they're not going to go figure out starstream and get like agents working on

2709
02:48:13,820 --> 02:48:18,840
cardano they're not going to do that but what they will do is they will help be part of the

2710
02:48:18,840 --> 02:48:24,760
conversation to solve that perception problem and let us basically know, hey, let's be honest here.

2711
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:29,800
What do we need to fix? And they're the new guys. And so they're not connected to the past.

2712
02:48:30,080 --> 02:48:33,760
They don't have any ego about it. They're not responsible for it. So they're in a very unique

2713
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:38,140
position to kind of say, OK, objectively speaking, these are the kinds of things you need to correct.

2714
02:48:38,360 --> 02:48:42,900
And then what we can do is have a conversation at the Pentad level and when executive function

2715
02:48:42,900 --> 02:48:47,760
comes at that level and be honest about, you know, what are we prepared to do to fix that problem?

2716
02:48:47,760 --> 02:49:02,800
A hundred percent. Cardano suffers from distribution and distribution is non-adversarial, non-tribalistic when it comes to the products and services that are to be put out to consumers, right?

2717
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:08,420
Through incentivized marketing funnels and aligning incentives to conversion and all type of stuff.

2718
02:49:09,060 --> 02:49:10,380
Bob, Alex.

2719
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:13,460
But Alex, I was going to say, I really want to hear what you have.

2720
02:49:13,460 --> 02:49:14,820
Yeah, Alex had his hand up.

2721
02:49:14,940 --> 02:49:15,380
Yeah, yeah.

2722
02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:16,040
Go ahead, Alex.

2723
02:49:16,040 --> 02:49:17,540
Well, I mean, he's old on the other side of it.

2724
02:49:17,540 --> 02:49:22,120
they were pivotal in putting this whole thing together 100 100 that's why i'm like super pumped

2725
02:49:22,120 --> 02:49:26,740
okay hold on i gotta i gotta say it's like i'm super pumped that we got charles up in here

2726
02:49:26,740 --> 02:49:31,800
alex you know we got all these mfs from all these other things this is what's really important guys

2727
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:38,620
you know we hold spaces we we converge with each other on a degenerate type of fucking space but

2728
02:49:38,620 --> 02:49:44,100
it's really cool when you got the validation from you know the the people at the top and i'm gonna

2729
02:49:44,100 --> 02:49:49,720
to call you that because that's exactly it we look up to you guys so anyway go ahead alex

2730
02:49:49,720 --> 02:49:59,400
yeah so charles said a bunch of things but i think one thing i took away is carlano needs

2731
02:49:59,400 --> 02:50:06,580
an ecosystem support for ventures to thrive on the within like you know transactions on chain

2732
02:50:06,580 --> 02:50:13,980
economic value to them as a firm and then just general kind of bringing in liquidity and

2733
02:50:13,980 --> 02:50:18,380
drawing people in and keeping them here because of the tech,

2734
02:50:18,460 --> 02:50:21,640
because they can do things here with Cardano stuff

2735
02:50:21,640 --> 02:50:23,000
that they can't do elsewhere.

2736
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:26,360
That is the ultimate moat, I guess.

2737
02:50:27,060 --> 02:50:29,900
And so the cool thing with Draper, and it's funny that it's called Orion,

2738
02:50:30,060 --> 02:50:34,540
is it's kind of, in a way, it has the opportunity to be the center

2739
02:50:34,540 --> 02:50:40,260
of venture building in Cardano, where you have the Orion Fund,

2740
02:50:40,900 --> 02:50:43,160
you have Commeda Labs, which is a venture studio,

2741
02:50:43,160 --> 02:50:47,600
So you have obviously Draper Dragon with a deployable fund,

2742
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:49,900
Draper University with its hackathons,

2743
02:50:50,200 --> 02:50:54,040
its incubations in Silicon Valley and things like that.

2744
02:50:54,840 --> 02:50:58,200
And the cool thing is because Cardano is decentralized

2745
02:50:58,200 --> 02:51:00,820
and has on-chain governance,

2746
02:51:00,820 --> 02:51:03,100
it can actually organize itself as a market,

2747
02:51:03,380 --> 02:51:07,200
as an attractive place to do business,

2748
02:51:07,240 --> 02:51:10,740
not only for dApps or whatever, but to actually just make money

2749
02:51:10,740 --> 02:51:14,640
and to use the chain for what it's worth.

2750
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:18,360
And so the cool thing is you could probably plug more regional

2751
02:51:18,360 --> 02:51:23,440
or more thematic types of players into this universe, right?

2752
02:51:23,700 --> 02:51:29,240
So you still have a bunch of VCs deploying on Cardano.

2753
02:51:29,240 --> 02:51:35,400
People are looking at Cardano because of potential follow-on investments

2754
02:51:35,400 --> 02:51:41,380
with the fact that a vehicle like Draper and Orion specifically

2755
02:51:41,380 --> 02:51:43,960
can crowd an investment, right?

2756
02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:47,240
So there's that $5 billion of external LPs

2757
02:51:47,240 --> 02:51:50,700
that they're looking to bring on as part of the proposal.

2758
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:56,460
And we're generally getting positive signals from other VCs

2759
02:51:56,460 --> 02:51:58,540
that see this and are interested and are curious to see

2760
02:51:58,540 --> 02:52:01,280
how they can work with us, different players in the ecosystem,

2761
02:52:01,280 --> 02:52:06,760
and find ways to service builders in specific verticals,

2762
02:52:06,760 --> 02:52:11,280
whether this be RWA, Bitcoin DeFi, enterprise stuff,

2763
02:52:11,540 --> 02:52:14,740
or whether this be purely regional or local.

2764
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:18,860
And places where we already have a presence, we should use these.

2765
02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:22,060
Solana Super Teams has done this super, super well.

2766
02:52:22,680 --> 02:52:26,080
That's how Techstars operates, where they open up cities

2767
02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:28,960
and bring communities of builders together.

2768
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:46,800
So Cardano really has an awesome opportunity right now. I'm pretty hyped to see how we can organize ourselves in terms of domains, right? We have, to some extent, covered a domain of venture acceleration in the ecosystem with Orion.

2769
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:57,340
When you look at alpha growth, that's clearly looking at bringing in some form of domain expertise when it comes to DeFi and liquidity deployment.

2770
02:52:58,260 --> 02:53:03,680
And we can find these domains and kind of delineate them within the ecosystem.

2771
02:53:03,980 --> 02:53:06,560
I don't know, bubbles, so to speak, that you can bring together.

2772
02:53:07,740 --> 02:53:12,760
Whether this be infrastructure, tooling, whatever, you can see who is doing the work in these places.

2773
02:53:12,760 --> 02:53:14,200
We can get organized in this way.

2774
02:53:14,200 --> 02:53:17,420
and we can flip that switch on pretty quickly

2775
02:53:17,420 --> 02:53:19,020
because we have on-chain governance

2776
02:53:19,020 --> 02:53:20,640
and a structure to how we do this

2777
02:53:20,640 --> 02:53:22,420
and we can actually figure out

2778
02:53:22,420 --> 02:53:26,240
what Ethereum has started to figure out

2779
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:27,580
after more than 10 years

2780
02:53:27,580 --> 02:53:29,780
where you're seeing the Ethereum Foundation

2781
02:53:29,780 --> 02:53:31,320
and spin-offs and things like that

2782
02:53:31,320 --> 02:53:34,780
organize around things like other labs

2783
02:53:34,780 --> 02:53:38,060
Ethereum Institutional, etc.

2784
02:53:38,200 --> 02:53:40,000
I think I've seen like four or five

2785
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:42,760
say domain breakaways

2786
02:53:42,760 --> 02:53:45,320
that kind of serve as an executive function

2787
02:53:45,320 --> 02:53:49,180
or are going to try to serve as an executive function on Ethereum.

2788
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:51,760
The cool thing is that took them 10 years

2789
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:53,980
and they're doing this in a haphazard way

2790
02:53:53,980 --> 02:53:55,600
with no on-chain governance,

2791
02:53:55,800 --> 02:54:01,020
no community determining where the Ethereum Foundation spends its money.

2792
02:54:02,320 --> 02:54:05,360
Whereas what we have is an on-chain government,

2793
02:54:06,400 --> 02:54:08,780
clear rules, a treasury,

2794
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:12,360
and the ability to organize ourselves into domains.

2795
02:54:12,360 --> 02:54:21,160
So that's what I'm pretty keen in seeing is teams collaborating and ensuring that they can serve as a particular part of Cardano's digital economy.

2796
02:54:22,060 --> 02:54:31,220
And we can replicate Orion in many different places, but we can replicate that type of function for various domains.

2797
02:54:31,220 --> 02:54:45,560
And that's pretty cool to think that we could probably get this done within the year and set sail in 2027, organized and ready to kind of allocate capital in the right domains for the right things and the right amounts.

2798
02:54:46,700 --> 02:54:53,420
Whether adoption related things or maintenance or purely governance spend, right?

2799
02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:59,740
Like, do we actually know how much the cost of governance is and could or should be?

2800
02:54:59,740 --> 02:55:03,260
so looking at Cardano's digital economy

2801
02:55:03,260 --> 02:55:04,680
and I think we can actually do this

2802
02:55:04,680 --> 02:55:06,020
so pretty excited

2803
02:55:06,020 --> 02:55:09,280
and Draper's got some really cool stuff

2804
02:55:09,280 --> 02:55:09,660
cooking

2805
02:55:09,660 --> 02:55:12,560
I was pretty pumped to see the announcement

2806
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:13,640
from the foundation

2807
02:55:13,640 --> 02:55:16,400
Emergo and Intersect about

2808
02:55:16,400 --> 02:55:18,060
CF taking

2809
02:55:18,060 --> 02:55:20,220
taking on the

2810
02:55:20,220 --> 02:55:22,980
token 2049

2811
02:55:22,980 --> 02:55:24,900
presence and also seeing that

2812
02:55:24,900 --> 02:55:26,100
there'll be something with

2813
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:28,800
Draper and Bitcoin in Singapore

2814
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:33,540
So I think the year is looking quite good despite the market conditions.

2815
02:55:35,240 --> 02:55:38,140
Yeah, and actually the other wild card is alpha growth.

2816
02:55:38,480 --> 02:55:41,840
If we can get some form of relationship and pull these guys in.

2817
02:55:42,380 --> 02:55:49,260
Because somebody has to worry about how do we get new stuff and get that stuff to be timely, relevant, and do interesting things.

2818
02:55:49,320 --> 02:55:57,740
Somebody has to worry about how do we accelerate the stuff that we have and get them basically integrated into the broader DeFi world.

2819
02:55:57,740 --> 02:56:08,120
You know, and the first step Pentad was just let's get the wiring done because we were badly missing things like Circle and Layer Zero and Oracle.

2820
02:56:08,620 --> 02:56:08,940
Oracle.

2821
02:56:09,540 --> 02:56:11,140
Yeah, man, it was tough.

2822
02:56:11,420 --> 02:56:12,060
I'm not going to lie.

2823
02:56:12,100 --> 02:56:12,560
It was tough.

2824
02:56:12,700 --> 02:56:13,720
And we got that done.

2825
02:56:13,820 --> 02:56:16,080
I mean, the issue is the space is quite userous.

2826
02:56:16,200 --> 02:56:20,120
And so getting it done at the right price is the challenge.

2827
02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:22,460
And I think we did the best with what we had.

2828
02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:26,860
And, you know, a lot of superheroes stepped up in that process.

2829
02:56:26,860 --> 02:56:28,880
It was an all hands process.

2830
02:56:29,080 --> 02:56:30,700
It was not by means one company.

2831
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:33,720
It was a lot of people had to work together and make that happen.

2832
02:56:34,720 --> 02:56:36,640
And that was awesome.

2833
02:56:36,760 --> 02:56:44,000
But that then unlocks the next stage, which is how does Cardano DeFi differentiate itself,

2834
02:56:44,140 --> 02:56:49,200
become something new, distinct and interesting above and beyond what Solana has done and

2835
02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:50,960
what Ethereum has done.

2836
02:56:51,040 --> 02:56:53,180
If it's just a copy paste, it's a race to the bottom.

2837
02:56:53,180 --> 02:56:58,220
uh so you have to pay for mercenary tvl the minute that somebody else is a slightly better deal

2838
02:56:58,220 --> 02:57:04,120
you know all the volume just collapses so you need something else there so uh you having

2839
02:57:04,120 --> 02:57:10,600
these two firms like the draper ecosystem but then stuff like alpha growth as well

2840
02:57:10,600 --> 02:57:17,600
you start having a much more holistic conversation end to end about what is required for these things

2841
02:57:17,600 --> 02:57:22,400
to get where they need to go and on io you know kind of what we're doing is we're moving towards

2842
02:57:22,400 --> 02:57:25,980
a venture studio model and we've been doing that for a long time but now it's the last year where

2843
02:57:25,980 --> 02:57:32,200
we're finally there and you know the haskell node next year is going to be in different hands there's

2844
02:57:32,200 --> 02:57:37,480
a whole spin out process over the next nine months to do that so while we're still going to do science

2845
02:57:37,480 --> 02:57:43,280
stuff at ior and arc and build prototypes and participate blueprint you now have a collection

2846
02:57:43,280 --> 02:57:48,560
of node builders that are in different hands so we're going to be building ventures realfine

2847
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:51,260
and Pogan and Midnight are the three ones

2848
02:57:51,260 --> 02:57:53,140
of Fast Fall is Midnight City,

2849
02:57:53,140 --> 02:57:54,180
but we have a lot of ventures.

2850
02:57:54,180 --> 02:57:55,720
And every year I'd like to do two or three.

2851
02:57:55,720 --> 02:57:58,380
So talk about commercializing the platform

2852
02:57:58,380 --> 02:57:59,600
and bringing users in,

2853
02:57:59,600 --> 02:58:02,920
that's what we're doing here at Input Output now.

2854
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:06,800
So we need partners like Draper and Alpha Growth

2855
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:09,720
and others to come in and kind of pair with what we do.

2856
02:58:09,720 --> 02:58:12,980
And I honestly believe that, you know,

2857
02:58:12,980 --> 02:58:14,880
that those partners would then be able

2858
02:58:14,880 --> 02:58:17,620
to help us accelerate that.

2859
02:58:17,620 --> 02:58:19,020
And, you know, we don't need a lot of wins.

2860
02:58:19,260 --> 02:58:21,200
We just need about, I'd say, three to five.

2861
02:58:21,820 --> 02:58:28,320
And then we'll be in a position where basically Cardano has enough growth that people organically

2862
02:58:28,320 --> 02:58:30,700
say, hey, you know, Cardano is exciting and different.

2863
02:58:30,700 --> 02:58:35,240
I really like what these guys are doing because there's some things here that you can't buy

2864
02:58:35,240 --> 02:58:36,000
or replicate.

2865
02:58:36,360 --> 02:58:39,480
You can't buy the decentralized governance or replicate that.

2866
02:58:39,660 --> 02:58:45,420
You can't buy extended UTXO or Ouroboros or other things and the legacy and the 24-7 up

2867
02:58:45,420 --> 02:58:50,960
time or the last 10 years or the history of what we've done, these are things you earn through

2868
02:58:50,960 --> 02:58:55,960
years and years and years of merit. And so if you pair that with a healthy DeFi ecosystem,

2869
02:58:56,300 --> 02:59:04,880
it's an obvious bet, hey, we need to go and be part of this. And I liken it to Anthropic versus

2870
02:59:04,880 --> 02:59:11,600
OpenAI. Anthropic, from the very beginning, they had a rigid philosophy about how AI should be

2871
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:15,780
constructed. And they followed that rigid philosophy. And now all these other people,

2872
02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:22,080
like OpenAI and Grok and Gemini, they were chasing a bouncy ball and rapidly swipping.

2873
02:59:22,340 --> 02:59:27,580
And then there was like the Sam Altman gets fired and then rehired and then Ilya Susquevore leaves.

2874
02:59:27,580 --> 02:59:31,680
And there's all this poaching going on. Meanwhile, Anthropic just does what they do.

2875
02:59:32,200 --> 02:59:35,900
And they said, this is the vision. This is the mission. And little by little, every release,

2876
02:59:36,120 --> 02:59:40,980
they started catching up. And then it got to a point where they outclassed a company that was

2877
02:59:40,980 --> 02:59:46,020
10 times their size and 10 times their value. And now actually they're the most valuable AI company

2878
02:59:46,020 --> 02:59:50,920
and their models are well ahead of everybody. So there's something to be said about having a

2879
02:59:50,920 --> 02:59:54,560
principles-based approach. And by the way, they were the guys who created the AI constitution.

2880
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:59,460
We have a constitution, right? So there's some overlap there with these types of things that a

2881
02:59:59,460 --> 03:00:05,560
principle-based approach makes a lot of sense. And Cardano has that legacy and you can't buy that

2882
03:00:05,560 --> 03:00:10,540
legacy. It's not replicatable. Vitalik can go to UTXO and it's not going to change anything.

2883
03:00:10,980 --> 03:00:20,620
Cardano is here. And in the fact that we're starting to learn how to get efficient and effective in addition to integrity preserving means that the hockey stick will kick off.

2884
03:00:20,620 --> 03:00:28,040
We just need three to five wins to bootstrap it. We can get those in 2027, which I believe Real Five Poga to Midnight will be three of them.

2885
03:00:28,840 --> 03:00:36,640
That's a huge step forward. We need two more, I'd say. And maybe it's strike. Maybe it's fluid. Maybe it's liquid.

2886
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:40,620
you know, who knows what it's going to be, but one of these guys is going to get to a billion

2887
03:00:40,620 --> 03:00:44,380
and they're going to get some traction. And then Cardano is going to be a beautiful platform

2888
03:00:44,380 --> 03:00:46,580
end to end, especially in a post-Leo's world.

2889
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:51,740
And also just to like chime right in here before Alex replies,

2890
03:00:52,400 --> 03:00:56,680
I think also at the helm, you know,

2891
03:00:56,740 --> 03:01:00,760
the gentleman's agreement of communicating

2892
03:01:00,760 --> 03:01:04,280
with each other when it comes to what is the outmost

2893
03:01:04,280 --> 03:01:07,640
benefit pursuit to the ecosystem, right?

2894
03:01:08,160 --> 03:01:13,400
You know, IOG, CF, Amerigo, you know, the entities at the top at any given time.

2895
03:01:13,660 --> 03:01:18,220
It's like, hey, we don't need your approval, but, you know, we're living in the same neighborhood.

2896
03:01:18,820 --> 03:01:21,820
We're paying to the same OHA or whatever.

2897
03:01:22,220 --> 03:01:24,660
And it's just like a conversation always.

2898
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:25,360
Go ahead, sorry.

2899
03:01:25,360 --> 03:01:31,620
You got to understand that, especially with respect to the CFIO relationship, one of the

2900
03:01:31,620 --> 03:01:37,640
things that we've mastered, which is uncommon in political discourse or business discourse,

2901
03:01:37,640 --> 03:01:47,220
but it's actually common in the Fortune 500, is we can be extremely aggressive and have strong

2902
03:01:47,220 --> 03:01:52,680
opinions about things and be adversarial in certain respects on certain things. As you know,

2903
03:01:52,920 --> 03:01:56,340
I definitely have very strong opinions. 100%. We all...

2904
03:01:56,340 --> 03:02:00,740
But that's bulk-headed to a particular topic.

2905
03:02:01,080 --> 03:02:06,400
But then on other topics like the Pentad or things going on with Draper or other things like that,

2906
03:02:06,660 --> 03:02:10,100
you can actually see eye to eye and there's productive dialogue that's going on.

2907
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:14,480
Politics is training us to hate each other universally.

2908
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:19,860
So I disagree with you somewhere, so I have to hate you for everything and disagree with you for everything.

2909
03:02:20,240 --> 03:02:21,380
But you've got to understand something.

2910
03:02:21,460 --> 03:02:22,480
In the business world...

2911
03:02:22,480 --> 03:02:23,520
It's compartmentalized.

2912
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:31,160
Samsung and Apple are currently in patent infringement lawsuits, and they're fighting each other, and they're having a brutal bare-knuckles brawl.

2913
03:02:31,880 --> 03:02:35,160
But at the same time, Samsung makes memory for the audience.

2914
03:02:35,160 --> 03:02:38,480
And they got technology and hardware that their competitors use.

2915
03:02:38,700 --> 03:02:39,560
Yeah, think about that.

2916
03:02:39,680 --> 03:02:40,480
It's like so foreign.

2917
03:02:41,100 --> 03:02:43,220
You're, on one hand, suing a company.

2918
03:02:43,700 --> 03:02:49,260
On the other hand, you're also working with that company, and they have early access to the iPhone, and they get to make memory.

2919
03:02:49,260 --> 03:02:51,420
Joint earnings and everything.

2920
03:02:51,420 --> 03:02:51,780
Yeah.

2921
03:02:52,020 --> 03:02:53,020
No, 100%.

2922
03:02:53,020 --> 03:02:54,840
That's kind of the relationship there.

2923
03:02:55,100 --> 03:02:57,860
And it is what it is, but it's the nature of decentralization.

2924
03:02:57,860 --> 03:03:04,680
And if you're going to be an adult and be a mature person, you have to be able and willing to have a relationship like that.

2925
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:07,040
You're never going to agree with people on everything.

2926
03:03:07,240 --> 03:03:08,960
And some things are deeply philosophical.

2927
03:03:09,980 --> 03:03:11,840
And it is what it is.

2928
03:03:12,080 --> 03:03:13,260
And some people take it.

2929
03:03:13,260 --> 03:03:14,000
No, I agree.

2930
03:03:15,180 --> 03:03:16,800
And the reason why I bring this up, Charles.

2931
03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:19,400
It doesn't do anything good to the ecosystem, though, to make that a universal.

2932
03:03:19,400 --> 03:03:24,140
and things like the pentad things like how to commercialize things like the conferences

2933
03:03:24,140 --> 03:03:30,080
like what's going on token 2049 we're going to be right there and those are areas where we can

2934
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:34,420
easily collaborate and people are excited to collaborate i'm glad that you brought this up

2935
03:03:34,420 --> 03:03:39,660
charles because this is they make fun of me for saying certain things like because i got my own

2936
03:03:39,660 --> 03:03:43,840
little business whatever yeah and it's like you're compartmentalizing i went to school for

2937
03:03:43,840 --> 03:03:49,060
engineering you know the problem solved blah blah blah you know and the internet doesn't

2938
03:03:49,060 --> 03:03:54,580
compartmentalize shit the internet ain't looking to problem solve the internet is looking to

2939
03:03:54,580 --> 03:04:02,220
engagement farm and so on so i'm really glad that you brought up that um in the comparison of like

2940
03:04:02,220 --> 03:04:10,360
samsung and sony or samsung and apple or something that even though they're like in lawsuits and have

2941
03:04:10,360 --> 03:04:15,780
their differences, they still have hardware that are, you know, earning revenue to both companies.

2942
03:04:16,020 --> 03:04:22,760
And it's because it's business. So, you know, I hope that this space for who's listening or in

2943
03:04:22,760 --> 03:04:31,280
the future or whatever, it's like, hey, you don't have to be aligned 1000%. It's the North Star in

2944
03:04:31,280 --> 03:04:38,040
the vision that everybody has to align with, regardless of the microcosm differences that

2945
03:04:38,040 --> 03:04:46,240
are in between that are compartmentalized to not uh express themselves out to like the social sphere

2946
03:04:46,240 --> 03:04:52,200
in which then it becomes like hey you you literally are throwing your your uh dirty laundry on the

2947
03:04:52,200 --> 03:04:56,760
front street and then you're trying to ask me to not make fun of you because there was a poop stain

2948
03:04:56,760 --> 03:05:03,500
on your on the underwear you know what i mean like like a lot of this stuff is so socially inclined

2949
03:05:03,500 --> 03:05:09,280
right now that's another reason why i want to move the dialogue into a non-public channel like

2950
03:05:09,280 --> 03:05:13,820
x and move it into a cardano only channel where you have to prove your ada holder and there's an

2951
03:05:13,820 --> 03:05:19,940
organized process to have a conversation because you just the problem is that when conversations

2952
03:05:19,940 --> 03:05:26,680
become grandstanding then the goal self-sabotaging well the goals have changed you know it's it's

2953
03:05:26,680 --> 03:05:32,880
like okay my job is performative theater where i have to show that i am the maximal supporter of

2954
03:05:32,880 --> 03:05:39,120
this position other than it's not my job to go make a deal or compromise or agree on a vision

2955
03:05:39,120 --> 03:05:44,040
and an outcome. So when you look at modern politics, everything's about winning and everything's

2956
03:05:44,040 --> 03:05:50,140
about your side being right and the other side being wrong. Nothing is about an outcome. Nope.

2957
03:05:50,280 --> 03:05:56,180
No Democrats and Republicans come together and say, how do we make America's GDP grow 5% per year?

2958
03:05:56,420 --> 03:06:00,660
That's the outcome we want. They don't do that. We, the American people would like it.

2959
03:06:00,660 --> 03:06:04,160
It comes about Republicans and Democrats and then their bipartisan shit.

2960
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:18,780
So if you have a platform that they promote the controversy, the outrage, the rage baiting, the differences amongst people, the platform works against your ability to converge to a proper conversation.

2961
03:06:19,340 --> 03:06:25,060
Now, the debate's going to be probably less of let's move from X to something else.

2962
03:06:25,060 --> 03:06:27,480
And it's going to be more of, well, what is that something else?

2963
03:06:27,480 --> 03:06:29,540
and what properties and characteristics does it have

2964
03:06:29,540 --> 03:06:31,120
and what level of openness does it have

2965
03:06:31,120 --> 03:06:33,980
and how is it regulated and what's the oversight structure?

2966
03:06:34,540 --> 03:06:36,120
And again, there's going to be disagreements

2967
03:06:36,120 --> 03:06:37,340
about these things.

2968
03:06:37,640 --> 03:06:40,100
I've been approaching it from the position of pragmatism.

2969
03:06:40,380 --> 03:06:41,000
You know, with Midnight,

2970
03:06:41,080 --> 03:06:43,020
we have 49,000 people in our Discord.

2971
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:45,540
We've built a lot of tooling for it.

2972
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:48,780
We're starting to now take that tooling

2973
03:06:48,780 --> 03:06:52,160
and compare it to Guild XYZ and Collab.land

2974
03:06:52,160 --> 03:06:54,040
and these other things from the Ethereum ecosystem.

2975
03:06:54,360 --> 03:06:56,820
And I'm trying to figure out what can I put into play

2976
03:06:56,820 --> 03:07:00,820
over the next three to six months to get on the road running.

2977
03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:01,800
And it works on your phone.

2978
03:07:01,880 --> 03:07:02,700
It works on your desktop.

2979
03:07:02,940 --> 03:07:03,520
It's securable.

2980
03:07:03,900 --> 03:07:06,320
And then we can have a well-regulated conversation

2981
03:07:06,320 --> 03:07:07,680
because we have a job to do,

2982
03:07:07,940 --> 03:07:09,960
just like we did with the original constitution.

2983
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:11,940
We have to have a legitimate conversation

2984
03:07:11,940 --> 03:07:16,920
about if and when to put in executive function into Cardano.

2985
03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:20,600
And should it exist in this kind of pseudo-federated way

2986
03:07:20,600 --> 03:07:22,420
or should it be more formalized?

2987
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:23,200
And people are like,

2988
03:07:23,240 --> 03:07:24,920
oh, well, the pseudo-federated way is really nice.

2989
03:07:24,920 --> 03:07:26,980
The problem is, guys, that you can gain that.

2990
03:07:27,800 --> 03:07:32,980
Not a lot of people have to privately get together behind the scenes to have an enormous

2991
03:07:32,980 --> 03:07:36,100
amount of influence over governance, both in soft and hard power.

2992
03:07:36,820 --> 03:07:39,820
At the very least, they can create a reality where you'll never get funded.

2993
03:07:40,620 --> 03:07:45,240
And so if people know that if they vote against or piss off a small group of people and they'll

2994
03:07:45,240 --> 03:07:50,040
never get funded, those group of people become beyond reproach and untouchable, which was

2995
03:07:50,040 --> 03:07:52,160
never the intent of decentralization.

2996
03:07:52,160 --> 03:07:57,160
So by having an explicit executive function, you actually get around that because you at

2997
03:07:57,160 --> 03:08:01,060
least have some democratic consent into the people that are running things as opposed

2998
03:08:01,060 --> 03:08:05,340
to an oligarchy that actually runs things behind the scenes and gives you the illusion

2999
03:08:05,340 --> 03:08:06,720
of democracy.

3000
03:08:06,720 --> 03:08:10,500
So the point of a structured conversation is for us to have an honest conversation about

3001
03:08:10,500 --> 03:08:14,500
how decentralized really are we and where are these power structures and where has governance

3002
03:08:14,500 --> 03:08:18,460
been very good for us and where has governance been actually quite a liability.

3003
03:08:18,460 --> 03:08:22,280
The other thing is then it allows you to start introducing the idea of some areas where you

3004
03:08:22,280 --> 03:08:24,060
have private voting.

3005
03:08:24,060 --> 03:08:28,200
You know, we're starting to do this in the midnight ecosystem where we're reporting some

3006
03:08:28,200 --> 03:08:30,140
of four into midnight.

3007
03:08:30,140 --> 03:08:33,880
We've been having some conversations about anonymous voting, but the idea is that if

3008
03:08:33,880 --> 03:08:39,900
you're voting a certain way and you're afraid of retribution or being bullied if you vote

3009
03:08:39,900 --> 03:08:44,000
that particular way, then what ends up happening is either you just don't participate at all

3010
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:47,760
or you only participate when it's self-interest.

3011
03:08:47,760 --> 03:08:53,560
you know, it benefits you. So you create these reciprocal, you know, quid pro quo style voting

3012
03:08:53,560 --> 03:08:58,480
patterns, which were very common in patronage back in the 19th century in America, like the Tammany

3013
03:08:58,480 --> 03:09:02,560
Hall type of stuff. And that doesn't work very well at all. And we see a little bit of that,

3014
03:09:02,740 --> 03:09:07,640
more than we care to admit currently in cardinal governance. And, you know, why should we be any

3015
03:09:07,640 --> 03:09:11,800
different if the political process is kind of evolving the same way? But instead of having to

3016
03:09:11,800 --> 03:09:16,900
wait a century to clean it up, we can clean it up in one or two constitutional updates and some

3017
03:09:16,900 --> 03:09:22,820
better technology in certain areas and different social processes. So a big thing I'm going to be

3018
03:09:22,820 --> 03:09:27,000
working on is this political party getting a lot of delegation and then trying to steer the

3019
03:09:27,000 --> 03:09:31,340
conversation to a channel where we can have an adult conversation like we did with the Constitution

3020
03:09:31,340 --> 03:09:36,900
about what the updates need to be. And then once we get some convergence there,

3021
03:09:36,900 --> 03:09:42,440
go get those things done. And then I think the next budget process and everything thereafter

3022
03:09:42,440 --> 03:09:48,020
will be a heck of a lot easier to get through and a lot more fun, to be honest, to get through.

3023
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:53,980
The last point about this is also it'll be easier for us to separate time horizons.

3024
03:09:54,220 --> 03:09:57,520
The problem with the budget is everything has cascaded together.

3025
03:09:58,060 --> 03:10:01,620
So when you look at an Orion deal, that's like a three to five year gig.

3026
03:10:02,100 --> 03:10:03,060
You know, there's a lot of setup.

3027
03:10:03,340 --> 03:10:05,000
There's a lot of things that have to be put together.

3028
03:10:05,260 --> 03:10:09,300
They're going to start deploying capital, but it's not going to get good for 24, 36

3029
03:10:09,300 --> 03:10:12,820
months at the very least because it takes time for these things to cook and bake.

3030
03:10:13,380 --> 03:10:18,420
When you look at things like the Token 2049 conference, like the Cardano Foundation tried

3031
03:10:18,420 --> 03:10:23,780
to do it later with the takeover, that is an event. It's near horizon. It's a few months away.

3032
03:10:24,340 --> 03:10:29,700
Both of these live in the same decision space and infrastructure. They shouldn't. They're very

3033
03:10:29,700 --> 03:10:34,500
different things. Things like the conference are attached to a broader strategy and it's

3034
03:10:34,500 --> 03:10:37,460
It's an execution point of a campaign for a broader strategy.

3035
03:10:38,100 --> 03:10:39,840
So then that strategy has to be set.

3036
03:10:39,940 --> 03:10:41,060
It's a multi-year strategy.

3037
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:45,380
It has specific outcomes and goals that have measurable KPIs.

3038
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:50,220
And then we're making a decision on a quarter-by-quarter basis of what is the most efficient use of capital.

3039
03:10:50,740 --> 03:10:54,680
Other things are you plant it, but it takes a few years for the tree to grow.

3040
03:10:55,260 --> 03:10:58,780
So research is much like this, and venture capital is much like this.

3041
03:10:58,780 --> 03:11:02,360
So at IOR, quantum resistance, something we care about.

3042
03:11:02,360 --> 03:11:09,220
uh bruno was just in here i will talk offline but we could form a coalition with algarand and

3043
03:11:09,220 --> 03:11:14,040
you know stanford and a dozen others and come up with this beautiful multi-year post-quantum

3044
03:11:14,040 --> 03:11:19,220
strategy well that's not going to bear fruit until like 2030 but when it does it's like

3045
03:11:19,220 --> 03:11:25,880
or boris leos it's a very powerful thing and it works beautifully for us right um so uh so you

3046
03:11:25,880 --> 03:11:29,920
have to have in your decision space the ability to accommodate these types of things as well

3047
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:33,160
it's really hard to do that without a formal executive function.

3048
03:11:34,020 --> 03:11:37,940
Direct democracy doesn't work very well for that because the people won't be around.

3049
03:11:38,580 --> 03:11:43,680
If you change out your leadership set very frequently, people will have voted for something

3050
03:11:43,680 --> 03:11:47,500
where they're not even around to see it being implemented or any of these things, or even

3051
03:11:47,500 --> 03:11:49,740
understand why that decision was taken.

3052
03:11:49,860 --> 03:11:53,720
Whereas when you have executive function, you get some continuity and consistency, and

3053
03:11:53,720 --> 03:11:57,020
institutions can carry that through, through a multi-year roadmap.

3054
03:11:57,340 --> 03:11:58,520
Like, look at I.O.

3055
03:11:58,520 --> 03:11:59,840
We've just always been here.

3056
03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:05,080
You know, we've been here since the beginning, so we know everything, not because we're geniuses,

3057
03:12:05,160 --> 03:12:06,300
but because of experience.

3058
03:12:06,580 --> 03:12:11,820
If you come and say, hey, there's this thing that happened in Cardano back in 2018, I'm

3059
03:12:11,820 --> 03:12:15,660
able to go pull up my emails or my Slack and my Roled, and I just look through it.

3060
03:12:15,760 --> 03:12:16,680
I say, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

3061
03:12:16,860 --> 03:12:18,080
Just like I was talking to Bruno.

3062
03:12:18,260 --> 03:12:19,340
So what's the first thing I did?

3063
03:12:19,360 --> 03:12:21,860
I searched my Slack, and I found that Bruno's still in the Slack.

3064
03:12:22,360 --> 03:12:24,080
So I'm able to send Bruno a message, right?

3065
03:12:24,120 --> 03:12:25,780
But he hasn't worked for me for like five years.

3066
03:12:25,780 --> 03:12:36,320
So that's the value of an institution because the institution's stability means that you have institutional knowledge and that is required for long arc things and stability and consistency.

3067
03:12:36,880 --> 03:12:40,520
If a person's investing or building, they need both those functions.

3068
03:12:41,200 --> 03:12:47,980
If I'm betting my business on your protocol, I can't take the risk that your protocol is going to be gone in two years.

3069
03:12:48,140 --> 03:12:54,060
And I can't take the risk that you're going to change radically the way that the protocol works in two years time.

3070
03:12:54,060 --> 03:12:58,660
There has to be a consistency and a stability behind that before I consider that to be a

3071
03:12:58,660 --> 03:13:00,720
reasonable thing to put billions of dollars into.

3072
03:13:01,300 --> 03:13:07,480
So what creates the consistency is executive function in longstanding institutions and

3073
03:13:07,480 --> 03:13:10,980
a predictability about how the governance operates and what things do.

3074
03:13:11,400 --> 03:13:16,520
And when you do make big controversial changes, they're made with a considerate deliberation

3075
03:13:16,520 --> 03:13:19,340
as opposed to just a spur of the moment thing.

3076
03:13:19,500 --> 03:13:23,700
Otherwise, the whole thing just basically falls apart and people start questioning the

3077
03:13:23,700 --> 03:13:24,820
ecosystem as a whole.

3078
03:13:27,360 --> 03:13:32,920
I think just the willingness to cooperate and work together on things that ultimately

3079
03:13:32,920 --> 03:13:37,600
make standards that lead to interoperability, it's just fire all together.

3080
03:13:37,740 --> 03:13:38,480
Today's amazing.

3081
03:13:39,120 --> 03:13:46,560
Just from a space host, you know, little website thing, to have you guys all up here and chat

3082
03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:48,980
it up and all this insightful shit is fire.

3083
03:13:48,980 --> 03:13:52,960
is it cool if I like open the stage

3084
03:13:52,960 --> 03:13:54,400
for people to ask you questions

3085
03:13:54,400 --> 03:13:56,420
Charles and Alex and Phil and

3086
03:13:56,420 --> 03:13:58,580
Micro and all the engineers up here

3087
03:13:58,580 --> 03:14:03,480
alright go ahead Alpha

3088
03:14:03,480 --> 03:14:08,760
what's up Esco how you doing

3089
03:14:08,760 --> 03:14:11,020
hey Phil Charles nice to see you again

3090
03:14:11,020 --> 03:14:13,420
I

3091
03:14:13,420 --> 03:14:15,040
briefly

3092
03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:15,920
wanted to

3093
03:14:15,920 --> 03:14:18,140
make some points

3094
03:14:18,140 --> 03:14:22,660
connected to what Alex was talking about

3095
03:14:22,660 --> 03:14:28,920
and also the things you have been talking about so far, Charles,

3096
03:14:28,920 --> 03:14:35,920
regarding infrastructure, the set of tools, foundational utilities

3097
03:14:35,920 --> 03:14:41,260
and whatnot that makes Cardano a robust technology

3098
03:14:41,260 --> 03:14:49,000
for a vast amount of solutions to be built on top of it.

3099
03:14:49,800 --> 03:14:53,520
And I've been here for a very long time.

3100
03:14:53,640 --> 03:14:54,880
I've been here since 2021.

3101
03:14:55,920 --> 03:14:58,360
Been in a couple of spaces with you, Charles.

3102
03:14:58,480 --> 03:15:03,560
And I remember back in 2023, we were in a space

3103
03:15:03,560 --> 03:15:08,000
and we were talking about the necessary things

3104
03:15:08,000 --> 03:15:12,640
that I think we're still running Intersect.

3105
03:15:12,900 --> 03:15:17,440
It was in its deployment phase thereabout.

3106
03:15:19,520 --> 03:15:21,060
Maybe 2023 or 2024.

3107
03:15:21,280 --> 03:15:21,940
I think it's 2024.

3108
03:15:23,940 --> 03:15:29,400
And I mentioned something there,

3109
03:15:29,400 --> 03:15:32,180
which I think it's in that space,

3110
03:15:32,260 --> 03:15:34,460
which I think it is very important.

3111
03:15:34,460 --> 03:15:40,460
And I don't think we talk about it enough as an ecosystem.

3112
03:15:40,460 --> 03:15:56,760
I mean, deploying the necessary environment and bringing in the right people for DeFi liquidity deployment, all that is good.

3113
03:15:56,760 --> 03:16:04,400
although we have a vast other domains besides DeFi

3114
03:16:04,400 --> 03:16:08,940
that I think Cardano would provide much value to.

3115
03:16:09,620 --> 03:16:13,620
The gaming industry is one of it, and so many more.

3116
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:17,760
If I don't think...

3117
03:16:18,760 --> 03:16:26,060
Sorry, I think if we do not spend just as much energy, time, and resources

3118
03:16:26,060 --> 03:16:32,220
on actually attracting people into the ecosystem

3119
03:16:32,220 --> 03:16:42,120
to explore and utilize these vast resources

3120
03:16:42,120 --> 03:16:44,320
and utilities that we have built

3121
03:16:44,320 --> 03:16:49,000
to create incredible things in a vast majority of domains,

3122
03:16:49,740 --> 03:16:51,780
we will move forward as an ecosystem.

3123
03:16:51,780 --> 03:17:05,180
them. And what that, in my opinion, means is we have to invest heavily on proper marketing

3124
03:17:05,180 --> 03:17:13,780
for Cardano, in my opinion. All these beautiful things that we talk about...

3125
03:17:13,780 --> 03:17:18,520
Do you have a question or do you have a whole rant? Respectfully.

3126
03:17:18,520 --> 03:17:19,900
No, no, it's not a wrong one.

3127
03:17:19,900 --> 03:17:21,620
It's just an opinion in my opinion.

3128
03:17:21,620 --> 03:17:22,400
Oh, absolutely.

3129
03:17:23,180 --> 03:17:24,480
I'll wrap it up very soon.

3130
03:17:24,700 --> 03:17:26,520
Yeah, I just need...

3131
03:17:26,520 --> 03:17:30,300
Charles, you can speak about this or whoever, I don't know.

3132
03:17:32,140 --> 03:17:37,100
I just think that if we do not invest heavily in structured marketing

3133
03:17:37,100 --> 03:17:41,520
and actually getting people across different nationalities,

3134
03:17:41,680 --> 03:17:45,700
communities to see and explore these resources

3135
03:17:45,700 --> 03:17:53,620
and what value they provide to bringing us to a truly decentralized web,

3136
03:17:55,380 --> 03:18:00,100
we would continue to speak about all these things without much progress.

3137
03:18:00,100 --> 03:18:00,660
Let me ask you some questions.

3138
03:18:00,660 --> 03:18:01,720
That's all I have.

3139
03:18:01,720 --> 03:18:03,260
I'm going to elucidate a point here.

3140
03:18:03,500 --> 03:18:05,700
I hear the marketing thing all the time, and I agree.

3141
03:18:05,880 --> 03:18:08,060
There needs to be marketing, but the devil's in the details.

3142
03:18:08,780 --> 03:18:12,360
What's more important to you, the TVL of Cardano

3143
03:18:12,360 --> 03:18:16,120
or the amount of transactions per block that Cardano has?

3144
03:18:17,180 --> 03:18:19,680
I'm just going to ask you a series of either or questions.

3145
03:18:19,860 --> 03:18:21,680
The answers don't matter too much.

3146
03:18:21,740 --> 03:18:23,680
I'm just trying to get to a point.

3147
03:18:23,880 --> 03:18:25,980
So which one is more important to you?

3148
03:18:29,660 --> 03:18:30,680
Sorry, I'm coming in.

3149
03:18:30,900 --> 03:18:33,180
TVL or how many transactions we have each block?

3150
03:18:37,180 --> 03:18:39,540
I think I'll say TVL.

3151
03:18:39,620 --> 03:18:40,400
Or what about this?

3152
03:18:40,400 --> 03:18:47,400
the amount of dApps that are deployed or the value of the top five dApps?

3153
03:18:51,720 --> 03:18:53,660
Value, in my opinion.

3154
03:18:53,940 --> 03:19:00,360
The amount of nodes involved in running the network or the transactions per second rate.

3155
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:09,360
The amount of nodes, because that brings decentralization, which I value.

3156
03:19:09,360 --> 03:19:19,400
The amount of nodes, independent node implementations, or the size of the main node implementation and how many organizations.

3157
03:19:19,600 --> 03:19:29,080
In other words, is there 10 companies working on one code base and they're all independent and they have balanced governance, or there are three independent companies working on three independent code bases?

3158
03:19:29,240 --> 03:19:30,700
Which one do you think is better?

3159
03:19:36,720 --> 03:19:38,220
Sorry, I don't understand the question.

3160
03:19:38,220 --> 03:19:47,480
So let's say the Haskell node, we wake up tomorrow, and instead of I.O. being the big company, there's 10 independent companies that are maintaining that.

3161
03:19:47,680 --> 03:19:56,440
And so there's 10 companies working on one code base versus what's been pushed right now where we have a Go node with Blink and the Amaro node that's in Rust.

3162
03:19:56,900 --> 03:19:59,100
Which one do you think is better for the ecosystem?

3163
03:19:59,100 --> 03:20:10,300
I think having a diverse amount of nodes across different technologies is good.

3164
03:20:10,620 --> 03:20:11,400
So here's the point.

3165
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:17,540
Because that would attract builders with different backgrounds in technology.

3166
03:20:18,180 --> 03:20:19,920
TypeScript, Rust, Haskell.

3167
03:20:20,820 --> 03:20:26,020
There are legitimate differences of opinions on every one of these topics and more.

3168
03:20:26,020 --> 03:20:29,180
And if you ask Twitter, the only thing they care about is CoinMarketCap.

3169
03:20:29,300 --> 03:20:29,760
Where are you at?

3170
03:20:29,940 --> 03:20:30,840
What's the token price?

3171
03:20:31,260 --> 03:20:33,760
So there's legitimate differences, opinion, all these things.

3172
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:39,760
So when people say marketing, marketing, marketing, what they're actually saying is there's a

3173
03:20:39,760 --> 03:20:44,900
particular set of answers to a particular set of questions that I have in my head, and

3174
03:20:44,900 --> 03:20:46,820
I want somebody to go and broadcast that.

3175
03:20:47,560 --> 03:20:52,520
What they're not saying is marketing for this specific feature or this specific thing, and

3176
03:20:52,520 --> 03:20:54,220
there's community-wide consensus on it.

3177
03:20:54,220 --> 03:21:04,840
So the first thing you do before you can have effective marketing is there has to be community-wide consensus on what are the core KPIs that matter to Cardano.

3178
03:21:06,060 --> 03:21:07,640
And where are we?

3179
03:21:08,180 --> 03:21:09,800
And where are we going?

3180
03:21:10,320 --> 03:21:11,680
And why are we going to get there?

3181
03:21:12,280 --> 03:21:13,700
So I run a venture studio.

3182
03:21:13,980 --> 03:21:23,940
And one of the things I tell everybody in my venture studio who wants to be a CEO for me is I say, okay, there's two things you have to do if you're going to survive as a CEO for me in my venture studio.

3183
03:21:23,940 --> 03:21:32,720
One, collective delusion. You have to be able to convince people that whatever you're doing, you're the best person in the world for it, and you're somehow going to win.

3184
03:21:33,340 --> 03:21:38,600
So there's 20-something-year-old Charles Hoskinson who doesn't speak Japanese and had never been to Japan.

3185
03:21:39,040 --> 03:21:46,120
I was able to convince people, even though I had no money, that somehow I was going to raise a bunch of money in Japan and build this thing called Cardano.

3186
03:21:46,120 --> 03:21:53,080
And they're like, please go ahead and take a job with me. It was a lot harder back in 2015, but I was pretty good at the delusion thing.

3187
03:21:53,080 --> 03:21:58,160
And every great CEO is the second thing and more pertinent to this conversation

3188
03:21:58,520 --> 03:22:04,600
is the ability to start with the end in mind.

3189
03:22:04,800 --> 03:22:06,260
So what do I tell my ventures?

3190
03:22:06,260 --> 03:22:10,440
I say, pretend three years in the future that you have just closed

3191
03:22:10,440 --> 03:22:13,100
a hundred million dollar, a billion dollar valuation round.

3192
03:22:14,100 --> 03:22:19,040
Then work your way backwards to the set of milestones you had to go through

3193
03:22:19,040 --> 03:22:22,880
and a set of KPIs you had to satisfy to make that outcome happen.

3194
03:22:23,620 --> 03:22:25,180
So then we're working with an end in mind.

3195
03:22:25,260 --> 03:22:27,940
I said, all right, I'm going to give you the first two milestones on my dime.

3196
03:22:28,420 --> 03:22:31,000
Then after that, we got to figure out every other one of them.

3197
03:22:31,080 --> 03:22:33,400
But you got to build a team, build a vision and all this other stuff.

3198
03:22:33,440 --> 03:22:34,540
And that has to pass muster.

3199
03:22:34,760 --> 03:22:36,000
So let's look to the future.

3200
03:22:36,360 --> 03:22:41,000
OK, so let's say we all agree on a set of KPIs in Cardano and we all agree with an outcome.

3201
03:22:41,400 --> 03:22:43,180
So I can change the questions I ask you.

3202
03:22:43,180 --> 03:22:48,700
So I say, OK, Alpha, you have a magic wand and you can look to the future.

3203
03:22:49,500 --> 03:22:52,980
The year is July 14th, 2029.

3204
03:22:53,080 --> 03:23:00,800
what would be an ideal outcome for cardano what are your top three things the top five things

3205
03:23:00,800 --> 03:23:06,060
that if we achieve those things we made it so it's an open question uh what do you think

3206
03:23:06,060 --> 03:23:08,060
those top three or five things would be

3207
03:23:08,060 --> 03:23:20,740
uh the first one would be um scale uh scaling um having more um transactions being settled

3208
03:23:20,740 --> 03:23:30,040
per second. I know I initially said TVL, but I don't want to go down the rabbit hole on why I

3209
03:23:30,040 --> 03:23:41,560
said that, but I think that's important. Also, other third-party integrations that allow builders

3210
03:23:41,560 --> 03:23:50,940
build robust technologies like oracles and whatnot um what else uh there's a detail that

3211
03:23:50,940 --> 03:23:56,380
comes to the top of my head i mean there's more yeah you can see how that starts to get a little

3212
03:23:56,380 --> 03:24:01,440
difficult because escos and phil and micro and alex they're going to probably say slightly

3213
03:24:01,440 --> 03:24:06,600
different things so you need to use governance and what you need to do is you need to first

3214
03:24:06,600 --> 03:24:13,140
lock that in with some form of community consensus. Then what marketing is about is doing two things.

3215
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:19,140
First, marketing is convincing you that these are the things that matter and other things don't

3216
03:24:19,140 --> 03:24:24,160
matter. So what that vision is, whatever you've just said, is the single most important thing in

3217
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:29,600
the cryptocurrency space. The second thing is convincing people that our strategy to get there

3218
03:24:29,600 --> 03:24:35,500
is going to be awesome. That's how you do it. So you say, okay, when Steve Jobs came out with the

3219
03:24:35,500 --> 03:24:39,220
iPhone. He said, in three years time, this is how everybody's going to be using a computer.

3220
03:24:39,480 --> 03:24:42,440
We use it with their fingers. They're going to have it in their phone. They're going to carry

3221
03:24:42,440 --> 03:24:46,880
it with them everywhere. It's the ultimate mobile computer. And here's how we get there. And here's

3222
03:24:46,880 --> 03:24:50,280
our vision. And then everybody bought into it and they all bought the iPhone and created the mobile

3223
03:24:50,280 --> 03:24:55,800
revolution. Right. So, so that's what Mark great marketing is. Otherwise you get into me too

3224
03:24:55,800 --> 03:25:02,180
syndrome. We also do high TPS. We also have smart contracts. We also have this. And you're like,

3225
03:25:02,180 --> 03:25:07,120
yeah, okay. And then you're like the Zoom to the iPod. You're just an also ran and there's nothing

3226
03:25:07,120 --> 03:25:12,080
really differentiating you from the pack. You win by having a compelling, interesting,

3227
03:25:12,300 --> 03:25:18,100
differentiated vision saying that that vision will take time to achieve and then convincing people

3228
03:25:18,100 --> 03:25:23,500
that you have a roadmap to get there. And there's something unique and special about this project

3229
03:25:23,500 --> 03:25:27,720
that is different from the rest of the projects to get there. If you give that to a marketing agency,

3230
03:25:27,720 --> 03:25:35,020
10 out of 10 times, they can make a beautiful campaign. They can package it for social media.

3231
03:25:35,220 --> 03:25:39,660
They can create shareables. They can get people excited about it. And then a lot of people come

3232
03:25:39,660 --> 03:25:44,540
together and they say, yeah, I joined because I really believed in that vision. So what did I do

3233
03:25:44,540 --> 03:25:48,980
in the beginning? I said, hey, this is going to be the chain that banks the unbanked. This is going

3234
03:25:48,980 --> 03:25:54,540
to be the chain that decentralization is built into the technology itself. The longer it runs,

3235
03:25:54,540 --> 03:25:59,360
the more decentralized it gets naturally. This is going to be the chain that embraces science

3236
03:25:59,360 --> 03:26:04,520
and formal methods. So, you know, that chain is going to have those properties at its core.

3237
03:26:04,760 --> 03:26:07,920
And you're going to thank me in 10 years time when everybody else is getting hacked

3238
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:14,820
and vibe coded to death. And we're relatively resistant to it. Those were visions 10 years ago,

3239
03:26:14,820 --> 03:26:20,620
and they've been mostly realized, or we're in the process of realizing them. And when you go back to

3240
03:26:20,620 --> 03:26:25,160
those roots, people get very excited about it because then it's not about these things where

3241
03:26:25,160 --> 03:26:37,140
it's very controversial or very blasé like, oh, well, we're 15,000 TPS and they're 22,000 TPS.

3242
03:26:37,260 --> 03:26:40,840
Well, who's better? Well, we're extended UTXO, so our 15 is better than their 22.

3243
03:26:41,360 --> 03:26:46,960
That's like saying, well, this AMD processor operates at 4.2 gigahertz, but the Intel processor

3244
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:52,980
operates at 4.1 gigahertz. And the user is just sitting there like, okay, like, what does that

3245
03:26:52,980 --> 03:26:57,160
even mean? Like, how does that actually impact? And so you're like, well, you could now use this

3246
03:26:57,160 --> 03:27:01,260
thing to do this amazing thing. Look at this amazing thing. Oh, okay. Now I get it. That's

3247
03:27:01,260 --> 03:27:07,540
really cool. So what executive function and getting the right decision channels, the first

3248
03:27:07,540 --> 03:27:11,940
thing you do is be for the first time in the history of the ecosystem, get a consensus on

3249
03:27:11,940 --> 03:27:19,160
the end goal for the next five years, just like we had with Byron and Basho and Shelley and Gogan

3250
03:27:19,160 --> 03:27:25,180
and Voltaire and these things, and the metrics and KPIs required to get there. And we can put

3251
03:27:25,180 --> 03:27:30,540
that into the preamble of the constitutional update. Then everybody's drinking from the same

3252
03:27:30,540 --> 03:27:37,040
well. Then every single DREP, they actually have a razor rule now. When they look to fund something

3253
03:27:37,040 --> 03:27:42,920
in this treasury, they can go to the proposal and say, make the case to me. Is this going to speed

3254
03:27:42,920 --> 03:27:48,760
up, slow down, or not care about where we want to go? Because if we're not spending this money

3255
03:27:48,760 --> 03:27:53,120
towards our end goal, it's got to be cut. Because right now, everything's a priority,

3256
03:27:53,280 --> 03:27:56,460
because there's no growth goals, right? So everybody can make the case that their thing

3257
03:27:56,460 --> 03:28:02,740
is important. Everybody's thing is important. Pebble is important. Harmonic is important.

3258
03:28:02,740 --> 03:28:09,880
goes important, but you're supposed to, with a DREP or a budget process, make priorities.

3259
03:28:10,660 --> 03:28:15,780
So if you had to pick, what is your number one priority? What is it? And you have to have some

3260
03:28:15,780 --> 03:28:21,040
sort of objective structure that you can look to, talk around, and then you can use it to make a

3261
03:28:21,040 --> 03:28:25,080
fair decision. Otherwise, it's just your favorites or it's your familiarity or it's your area of

3262
03:28:25,080 --> 03:28:29,820
expertise versus not. And there may be tremendously important things, but because it's not your area

3263
03:28:29,820 --> 03:28:34,780
of expertise, you ignore them or undervalue them, or you might just hate the team that's behind that.

3264
03:28:35,340 --> 03:28:41,220
So I agree with you, marketing is absolutely needed, and it has to be done in anger. But

3265
03:28:41,220 --> 03:28:46,520
there's a way to get to good marketing. And the good news is we have 40 plus years of Silicon

3266
03:28:46,520 --> 03:28:52,180
Valley to look to, and 40 plus years of incredibly exciting ventures to look to.

3267
03:28:52,180 --> 03:29:02,040
and you know you can take a page out of the ai book um my entire adult life i have done ai stuff

3268
03:29:02,040 --> 03:29:09,340
and when i was uh at front range community college i did ai stuff at 17 when i was at

3269
03:29:09,340 --> 03:29:16,480
metropolitan state college there i did ai stuff i did ai stuff at cu boulder um in professionally

3270
03:29:16,480 --> 03:29:21,720
i did ai stuff natural language processing and i did work with reinforcement learning and i wrote

3271
03:29:21,720 --> 03:29:27,640
a lot of prologue code back in the day. I worked with all kinds of strange neural nets. Okay. And

3272
03:29:27,640 --> 03:29:32,520
so I, I, I, my entire adult life, I was told AI is going to be the next big thing. No one gave a

3273
03:29:32,520 --> 03:29:38,000
shit. No one invested in it. The fastest way to get a rejection letter was AI going in and doing

3274
03:29:38,000 --> 03:29:43,560
it. Then suddenly chat GPT comes out and all these other things come out and people just got it.

3275
03:29:43,900 --> 03:29:49,320
It was magic. It just blew everybody away. And a small company could become a trillion dollar

3276
03:29:49,320 --> 03:29:56,680
company because of that thing. So what matters is the vision thing about where does this go

3277
03:29:56,680 --> 03:30:02,840
and taking people along the journey. And once you come along that journey and you understand it,

3278
03:30:03,200 --> 03:30:07,780
everybody will say, yeah, this is the next big thing. I got to get on board this train now.

3279
03:30:07,920 --> 03:30:12,000
And these guys are special. They're the ones who actually know how this is going to work.

3280
03:30:12,000 --> 03:30:16,360
And they know the future. I got to get with these. These are the only people that are going to get

3281
03:30:16,360 --> 03:30:21,000
that done. If you can create that, you create a self-fulfilling prophecy because you put up a

3282
03:30:21,000 --> 03:30:25,000
beacon and all the people that think the same way, they get attracted that way. They do the work and

3283
03:30:25,000 --> 03:30:29,780
in five years it gets done and you deliver the vision and it's there and you have a trillion

3284
03:30:29,780 --> 03:30:35,540
dollar valuation and everything is hunky dory, right? But you can't get to that until you create

3285
03:30:35,540 --> 03:30:39,760
community-wide consensus and we have this thing called governance. So we have to use the governance

3286
03:30:39,760 --> 03:30:45,020
tools to create the growth consensus, the end goal consensus. And then once we have that,

3287
03:30:45,020 --> 03:30:51,560
it's self-evident how to do the marketing. Like Draper, you go and you find killers. You go to

3288
03:30:51,560 --> 03:30:57,340
top three to top five marketing firms, real, real good firms with great pedigrees. Instead of coming

3289
03:30:57,340 --> 03:31:02,260
and say, make the case that we're the best cryptocurrency. You go in and say, we have this

3290
03:31:02,260 --> 03:31:06,740
beautiful vision for the future. Here's how we're going to get there. We want you to help us tell

3291
03:31:06,740 --> 03:31:11,560
the story in the most convincing way possible. And they look at that and they say, wow, this is

3292
03:31:11,560 --> 03:31:18,260
really exciting. We think we're going to be able to do a great job with this brief. And they'll

3293
03:31:18,260 --> 03:31:25,120
take it, they'll get excited about it, and they will do a great job. When Steve Jobs turned around

3294
03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:32,400
marketing at Apple, when he took over for the second time in 1997, he did one of the greatest

3295
03:31:32,400 --> 03:31:38,780
marketing turnarounds in the history of technology. Apple was a very confused company. They had the

3296
03:31:38,780 --> 03:31:42,640
Newton and all these different product lines, and they were licensing and they were doing

3297
03:31:42,640 --> 03:31:46,920
this and that. And there were 45 different stories about Apple and they were bitter.

3298
03:31:47,080 --> 03:31:50,880
They were at war with Microsoft and patent lawsuits and we're better than Microsoft and

3299
03:31:50,880 --> 03:31:55,440
fuck those guys. And then Steve came back and he did three things and it transformed the entire

3300
03:31:55,440 --> 03:32:00,460
company and made everything magic. First, he gave away all the Apple computers, the classical

3301
03:32:00,460 --> 03:32:04,880
computers, the original Mac and everything to Stanford Museum. He said, we're addicted to the

3302
03:32:04,880 --> 03:32:10,160
past. The past is over. We have to look to the future. Okay. So he changed the culture overnight.

3303
03:32:10,600 --> 03:32:16,560
The second thing he did is he focused the whole company on the iMac. And he said, we have to have

3304
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:21,800
a product line that reflects who we want to be and where we want to go. And third, he did the,

3305
03:32:21,880 --> 03:32:26,740
here's to the crazy ones ad. It's the best technology ad of all time. I copied it when

3306
03:32:26,740 --> 03:32:31,300
I was the CEO of Ethereum. It's still floating around YouTube. But if you look at it, it's just

3307
03:32:31,300 --> 03:32:38,060
a minute long and it changed overnight what a computer was. A computer in the age of Compaq

3308
03:32:38,060 --> 03:32:43,360
and HP and Packard Bell and Gateway was a commodity and it was a race to the bottom.

3309
03:32:44,460 --> 03:32:50,200
Okay. It was, here are some hardware, here are the stats and whoever's the cheapest wins. It's

3310
03:32:50,200 --> 03:32:56,560
a fungible commodity. He turned a computer into a lifestyle product like fashion. In fashion,

3311
03:32:56,560 --> 03:33:01,660
you buy a t-shirt and you spend a hundred dollars for a cotton t-shirt that some guy in vietnam made

3312
03:33:01,660 --> 03:33:07,680
for 50 cents okay i can go to walmart and buy the exact same fucking shirt but it doesn't have the

3313
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:13,900
armani exchange logo on it so what he did is he made computers fashion he actually put a lifestyle

3314
03:33:13,900 --> 03:33:21,280
component a symbolic component to it which meant he could charge 20 to 30 more than hp could and

3315
03:33:21,280 --> 03:33:26,660
compact could. So his margins perpetually would be higher, which gave him massive financial

3316
03:33:26,660 --> 03:33:31,420
resources to build innovative new products like the iPod and other things. And they fit into the

3317
03:33:31,420 --> 03:33:36,200
lifestyle product. And now it's a multi-trillion dollar company. So you got to have a turnaround

3318
03:33:36,200 --> 03:33:41,480
like that. And you have to look at brands and you have to say, okay, how do you make Cardano

3319
03:33:41,480 --> 03:33:47,180
more than just a fungible, commoditizable cryptocurrency? Something that is part of

3320
03:33:47,180 --> 03:33:52,080
people's identity. When I was first doing things in the beginning, people were so loyal to the

3321
03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:58,220
Cardano brand. We had the number one cryptocurrency brand, even above Bitcoin. And people would tattoo

3322
03:33:58,220 --> 03:34:03,480
the Cardano logo on their body. And they associated Cardano with something more than a cryptocurrency.

3323
03:34:03,480 --> 03:34:08,420
It was a political movement. It was something there. Okay. So to get back to those first

3324
03:34:08,420 --> 03:34:12,540
principles, the only way you're going to convince people of that is to step outside of the

3325
03:34:12,540 --> 03:34:18,400
cryptocurrency conversation and you have to make Cardano a bigger than just being a cryptocurrency.

3326
03:34:18,780 --> 03:34:24,080
It has to be something else. And what's fun is unlike the Charles Hoskinson era,

3327
03:34:24,500 --> 03:34:30,740
we now have all of you, which means that something else is a collective something else.

3328
03:34:30,860 --> 03:34:36,680
And for the first time ever, you all get to build that something else and it gets to come together

3329
03:34:36,680 --> 03:34:40,860
and we get to do it if we have the right utilization of the governance tools. And you know what,

3330
03:34:40,860 --> 03:34:45,020
whatever the hell that thing is, it's going to be a lot better than anything Vitalik comes up with

3331
03:34:45,020 --> 03:34:49,580
or Anatoly comes up with or Brad comes up with. It's not that they're bad people or stupid people

3332
03:34:49,580 --> 03:34:55,520
or bad leaders, but no one is brighter than everyone. And no one is more capable than

3333
03:34:55,520 --> 03:34:59,960
millions of people coming together and making a decision about something. That's why I'm so

3334
03:34:59,960 --> 03:35:04,340
obsessed with getting the governance process right and harnessing the wisdom of the crowds

3335
03:35:04,340 --> 03:35:08,480
and getting all these components together because everything else is just execution, guys. And

3336
03:35:08,480 --> 03:35:14,120
everybody wants you to believe that there's some sort of magic behind execution and only certain

3337
03:35:14,120 --> 03:35:20,600
special people can do that. The reality is execution can always be bought and it's downstream

3338
03:35:20,600 --> 03:35:26,800
of vision. If you have a beautiful, great vision, executors will want to attach themselves to that

3339
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:31,500
because they look at their career and they say, do I want to get rich distributing cans of Pepsi

3340
03:35:31,500 --> 03:35:37,600
and finding ways to make screws for one cent less? Or do I want to get rich building something that

3341
03:35:37,600 --> 03:35:43,000
legit change the world. And every single person's lives are changed because of that. Because I can

3342
03:35:43,000 --> 03:35:47,060
get rich both ways. If you're an excellent executor, you will always have a job and you

3343
03:35:47,060 --> 03:35:50,260
always be capable. Just like if you're an excellent programmer, you'll always have a job.

3344
03:35:50,860 --> 03:35:57,220
But it's rare to find vision that's so compelling and exciting that you just want to be part of it.

3345
03:35:57,640 --> 03:36:02,880
This is what Elon Musk did throughout his entire career and why no one's ever been able to beat

3346
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:07,800
the guy. He just keeps fucking winning because they don't get it. The game he's playing is vision.

3347
03:36:08,280 --> 03:36:14,520
He's Mr. Vision. The execution is somebody like Glenn Shotwell will do it for SpaceX. And there's

3348
03:36:14,520 --> 03:36:18,160
different people that do it for Tesla. And there's different people that do it for Neuralink and now

3349
03:36:18,160 --> 03:36:24,240
Grok. There's different people, but the guy can't lose because he's a master at convincing you.

3350
03:36:24,240 --> 03:36:29,260
He's the guy to take us to Mars and put a million people on that. When you go look at ULA, they're

3351
03:36:29,260 --> 03:36:34,640
like, we're going to build a rocket that's 5% cheaper and has slightly better reliability.

3352
03:36:35,260 --> 03:36:39,920
And the government will pay us an 11-year maintenance contract on that. You go to Elon

3353
03:36:39,920 --> 03:36:43,820
Musk, he's like, bitch, we're going to Mars. We're going to live underground because there's

3354
03:36:43,820 --> 03:36:48,120
radiation on the surface. You're going to have robot slaves, but don't worry. You can broadcast

3355
03:36:48,120 --> 03:36:52,720
your mind into them with motherfucking Neuralink and you'll have high-speed internet because we'll

3356
03:36:52,720 --> 03:36:57,540
have Starlink over Mars and we'll have our own Martian internet. It's going to be completely

3357
03:36:57,540 --> 03:37:02,100
free and open and we'll have like an ai god running mars that's going to be grok 10 and it's

3358
03:37:02,100 --> 03:37:05,500
going to be super smart and it's just going to run everything and we'll use nukes to go ahead and

3359
03:37:05,500 --> 03:37:10,140
change the the environment of mars so it gets warm again and and guess what it's like going to

3360
03:37:10,140 --> 03:37:13,780
be a libertarian utopia because there's only going to be a million people on a planet half the size

3361
03:37:13,780 --> 03:37:21,540
earth everybody gets a 10 000 acres right you're like yeah yeah this guy it's because you can't

3362
03:37:21,540 --> 03:37:28,500
verify yeah but here's the thing dude it's like when he said that 10 years ago you're like that

3363
03:37:28,500 --> 03:37:34,260
must be the best motherfucking pot in the world holy i want some of that now you're like

3364
03:37:35,140 --> 03:37:40,580
dude's a trillionaire and he's got starlink and he's got like the optimist robots coming out and

3365
03:37:40,580 --> 03:37:48,180
he's got the and it starts becoming far more real brick brick by brick yeah you're like this is

3366
03:37:48,180 --> 03:37:53,400
actually happening, right? And so if you're, I remember this, I went to CU Boulder, guys,

3367
03:37:53,540 --> 03:37:57,980
at the same time that Elon Musk was on his ascendancy. So his brother ran a restaurant

3368
03:37:57,980 --> 03:38:03,500
in Boulder called The Kitchen. His brother's a chef. So he'd come in and he'd go walk around

3369
03:38:03,500 --> 03:38:07,460
campus and recruit people. And I ran into him a few times. And there's even a famous picture of

3370
03:38:07,460 --> 03:38:12,080
a young Charles Hoskinson with Elon Musk. So if you Google Elon Musk, Charles Hoskinson,

3371
03:38:12,080 --> 03:38:19,680
click images, you can see an unshaven Charles there. But he would just say these insane things.

3372
03:38:20,040 --> 03:38:26,360
And all these aerospace engineers, Boeing would offer them like $300,000 jobs with full benefit

3373
03:38:26,360 --> 03:38:32,600
packages. And they would go to SpaceX and SpaceX is like, we will pay you $42,000 a year and no

3374
03:38:32,600 --> 03:38:37,960
benefits. He's like, but I just got like a $300,000 offer from Boeing to do the same job.

3375
03:38:37,960 --> 03:38:42,880
now it's 40. Do you want the job or not? And they're like, yes, okay, I'll take the job at

3376
03:38:42,880 --> 03:38:48,600
SpaceX. Because they wanted to be part of that fucking team that was going to go to Mars. They

3377
03:38:48,600 --> 03:38:53,140
wanted to be part of some great vision to get somewhere. And he never had recruitment problems.

3378
03:38:53,180 --> 03:38:58,740
He just got the most amazing people to come in. So marketing is always connected to vision. Either

3379
03:38:58,740 --> 03:39:03,220
you're selling, you're better than an existing vision, or you're selling that you have a new

3380
03:39:03,220 --> 03:39:10,620
vision. And my argument is we are not going to win if we argue that we're better than an existing

3381
03:39:10,620 --> 03:39:16,020
vision. Why? Because it's already saturated. There's already SWE. There's already Solana.

3382
03:39:16,240 --> 03:39:20,840
There's already Ethereum. There's already all these things. And if anybody could have done it,

3383
03:39:20,920 --> 03:39:25,880
SWE would have done it. SWE is better Solana. They run much faster. They have a much better

3384
03:39:25,880 --> 03:39:30,260
programming language. There's better scientists there. I've worked with them for 10 years. They're

3385
03:39:30,260 --> 03:39:36,140
great people. There's a really smart ecosystem there. There's incredible technology with Suite,

3386
03:39:37,060 --> 03:39:43,240
yet they're not getting the Solana adoption. And so we're not going to wake up and market our way

3387
03:39:43,240 --> 03:39:49,340
to a high TVL or transaction volume or a lot of users. We have to vision differently. And that

3388
03:39:49,340 --> 03:39:54,920
vision has to be that if Cardano wins, something good happens for the world, the human race. And

3389
03:39:54,920 --> 03:39:59,440
here's how we get there. And just like Musk, as you start making more progress, you start getting

3390
03:39:59,440 --> 03:40:04,160
the exponential growth for the whole thing. We got to return to those first principles.

3391
03:40:04,360 --> 03:40:08,440
And I think we have a path to do that. That's why we get the governance done.

3392
03:40:09,220 --> 03:40:14,420
We get a good executive function in play. We utilize that to create a common understanding

3393
03:40:14,420 --> 03:40:18,800
of growth and a common understanding of where we want to go. And we get another roadmap,

3394
03:40:19,020 --> 03:40:23,720
just like we had with Byron and Shelley and Basho, because we were so unified back in that day.

3395
03:40:23,720 --> 03:40:28,000
Remember everybody, when Shelley, when Shelley, when Gogan, when this, when this,

3396
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:31,900
we all had something to look forward to. We all had a vision to look forward to.

3397
03:40:32,120 --> 03:40:36,660
Then we go to some great killers on the execution side and we say, Hey guys, come on,

3398
03:40:37,020 --> 03:40:40,920
come on over. It's boring as fuck over there. Come on over to us and let's go win.

3399
03:40:41,460 --> 03:40:45,300
And they'll get real excited about it. And they'll be like, yeah, we, we want this to work.

3400
03:40:45,420 --> 03:40:49,740
And then they'll do a phenomenal job and you're gonna wake up and the brand equity of Cardano

3401
03:40:49,740 --> 03:40:54,320
is going to be exponentially larger and people are going to be very excited about it. So that's

3402
03:40:54,320 --> 03:40:57,840
why I haven't been so gung ho, like, let's go hire this marketing firm. And they're going to go

3403
03:40:57,840 --> 03:41:02,620
figure out how to sell identity and supply chain and say Cardano is good for this or Cardano is

3404
03:41:02,620 --> 03:41:08,240
good for that. It's like, it's like selling Dell computers versus HP computers. It's like,

3405
03:41:08,240 --> 03:41:12,100
do you really feel a difference there? No, the only thing you do is look at price.

3406
03:41:12,740 --> 03:41:17,120
And you say, okay, well, this one's 4,000 and this one 3,900, they both have the same hardware.

3407
03:41:17,240 --> 03:41:23,060
So I'll buy the $3,900 one instead of the $4,000 one, you know, and that's a race to the bottom

3408
03:41:23,060 --> 03:41:26,200
Because there's always somebody who can always offer a better price.

3409
03:41:26,920 --> 03:41:29,360
And like the same with buying TVL.

3410
03:41:29,460 --> 03:41:31,180
There's all these people like, we'll sell you TVL.

3411
03:41:31,240 --> 03:41:32,520
You can get a billion dollars of TVL.

3412
03:41:32,880 --> 03:41:38,020
What they don't tell you is when you slip 50 basis points, you lose all billion dollars in TVL.

3413
03:41:38,120 --> 03:41:40,560
It goes to a different network and they pull it in like 30 minutes.

3414
03:41:40,680 --> 03:41:42,140
I mean, Phil can tell you this.

3415
03:41:42,620 --> 03:41:45,060
Tell them about some of these horror stories that exist.

3416
03:41:45,060 --> 03:41:47,780
Oh, no, there's mercenary liquidity.

3417
03:41:48,440 --> 03:41:50,720
If you really want to get into it, let's get into it.

3418
03:41:50,720 --> 03:41:52,620
There's mercenary liquidity.

3419
03:41:53,300 --> 03:41:56,660
There is all sorts of predatory behavior out there.

3420
03:41:56,740 --> 03:41:58,100
Like a thousand percent.

3421
03:41:58,740 --> 03:42:01,640
You know, one thing though, Charles, before we go into that one.

3422
03:42:02,040 --> 03:42:03,240
Sorry, Phil.

3423
03:42:04,620 --> 03:42:06,840
Yeah, and Esco, I got to go to the restaurant.

3424
03:42:06,960 --> 03:42:08,420
I've had to pee for like the last time.

3425
03:42:08,420 --> 03:42:08,820
Damn, bro.

3426
03:42:08,880 --> 03:42:09,660
Hey, that's fine.

3427
03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:10,600
I've just been ranting.

3428
03:42:11,140 --> 03:42:14,140
I just had to get out this question done because it's a good question.

3429
03:42:14,300 --> 03:42:15,600
I had to take care of that one.

3430
03:42:16,440 --> 03:42:17,200
No worries, bro.

3431
03:42:17,300 --> 03:42:18,460
I just want to say thank you.

3432
03:42:18,460 --> 03:42:21,220
First of all, before you go, thank you for pointing out.

3433
03:42:21,340 --> 03:42:22,360
Check out RealFi.

3434
03:42:22,760 --> 03:42:24,400
Everyone should check out RealFi.

3435
03:42:24,560 --> 03:42:27,100
This is, to me, the app I am most excited about.

3436
03:42:28,100 --> 03:42:31,020
It is the modern meta of DeFi.

3437
03:42:31,020 --> 03:42:39,020
It is exactly what Cardano DeFi is missing, a passive financial vehicle.

3438
03:42:40,820 --> 03:42:43,920
The modern meta is no longer day trading on Uniswap.

3439
03:42:43,920 --> 03:42:51,580
There's like a small, small subset of people who do active position management in DeFi and are using DeFi as like a day trader.

3440
03:42:52,420 --> 03:42:58,580
99% of funds in DeFi now are low risk, long term yield positions.

3441
03:42:58,960 --> 03:43:00,480
You park your funds in a Morpho Vault.

3442
03:43:00,660 --> 03:43:01,840
You park your funds on Athena.

3443
03:43:02,040 --> 03:43:03,000
You park your funds on Aave.

3444
03:43:03,000 --> 03:43:03,640
You make money.

3445
03:43:03,820 --> 03:43:07,420
You park your funds in a stable swap pool on Curve or Uniswap.

3446
03:43:08,800 --> 03:43:09,680
That's the meta.

3447
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:19,760
So RealFi to me is finally a real financial vehicle that I can go tell my friends and family, hey, you know, this is no active position management.

3448
03:43:20,140 --> 03:43:26,600
There's no like, hey, you have to worry about liquidation or you have to do this thing and reinforce your position and you have to watch this chart.

3449
03:43:27,080 --> 03:43:30,400
It's just this is a vault. It's managed for you.

3450
03:43:30,960 --> 03:43:36,160
And if it performs well, then, you know, you will earn passive yield over a long period of time.

3451
03:43:36,160 --> 03:43:37,340
and that

3452
03:43:37,340 --> 03:43:39,260
so you managed for you

3453
03:43:39,260 --> 03:43:40,560
what do you mean

3454
03:43:40,560 --> 03:43:44,400
you know what just

3455
03:43:44,400 --> 03:43:45,580
happened up in here

3456
03:43:45,580 --> 03:43:48,820
first of all I want to say thank you Alex

3457
03:43:48,820 --> 03:43:51,220
for joining the conversation

3458
03:43:51,220 --> 03:43:53,080
you know

3459
03:43:53,080 --> 03:43:55,040
we can talk about a fucking trillion

3460
03:43:55,040 --> 03:43:57,020
things in here or they left and right

3461
03:43:57,020 --> 03:43:59,040
or whatever but I think that

3462
03:43:59,040 --> 03:44:00,120
alignment

3463
03:44:00,120 --> 03:44:03,360
cause a far bigger value proposition

3464
03:44:03,360 --> 03:44:04,820
than our

3465
03:44:04,820 --> 03:44:12,600
individual opinions and perspectives. And, um, you know, on the timeline, for the most part,

3466
03:44:12,660 --> 03:44:18,380
we're always battling each other. Not me and you, just everybody. We're just always fucking,

3467
03:44:19,020 --> 03:44:24,380
oh, are you on camp A, B or C? And we're not going to determine which camps are or whatever,

3468
03:44:24,380 --> 03:44:31,980
but you know, it's the main concept, you know, it doesn't matter what fucking camp you're in.

3469
03:44:31,980 --> 03:44:34,680
as long as we have the same North Star.

3470
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:36,500
You know?

3471
03:44:41,500 --> 03:44:46,320
It is imperative, paramount, incredibly significant

3472
03:44:46,320 --> 03:44:50,700
that at least the North Star of the entire ecosystem

3473
03:44:50,700 --> 03:44:53,540
is something that everybody views,

3474
03:44:53,960 --> 03:44:57,700
even though we share different opinions.

3475
03:44:58,020 --> 03:45:01,320
So aside from everything,

3476
03:45:01,320 --> 03:45:07,520
I just want to say thank you Alex. Thank you Phil. Thank you Michael. Thank you Charles for being here. Thank you fucking

3477
03:45:07,520 --> 03:45:09,880
You know homie that was here from Algo earlier

3478
03:45:09,880 --> 03:45:15,200
This is this is what it is. This is the single most impactful

3479
03:45:15,200 --> 03:45:21,000
Pursuit is

3480
03:45:21,000 --> 03:45:23,240
Unification in

3481
03:45:23,240 --> 03:45:29,440
Leadership and in the goal, you know, so yeah, you you might think this is a little cringy

3482
03:45:29,440 --> 03:45:35,060
and jazz. No, it is massively important. But anyways, yeah, here we are.

3483
03:45:38,660 --> 03:45:43,060
So you're not going to thank me as cool. I'll fuck him. I'm on mutual again. And then anyways,

3484
03:45:43,480 --> 03:45:50,560
so I'm just kidding. Sorry. I had to throw, I had to throw bro. I had to fucking throw like,

3485
03:45:50,560 --> 03:45:58,060
sorry, dude. But anyways, what's up, dude? Is there any way I can ask you a quick question?

3486
03:45:58,060 --> 03:46:01,440
I actually wanted Phil to respond to

3487
03:46:01,440 --> 03:46:03,340
Oh, sorry, someone was going to speak

3488
03:46:03,340 --> 03:46:05,460
I don't want to hug the mic, sorry, go ahead

3489
03:46:05,460 --> 03:46:07,460
I was just

3490
03:46:07,460 --> 03:46:09,480
Wanting to ask a quick question to everybody

3491
03:46:09,480 --> 03:46:11,280
If that would be okay

3492
03:46:11,280 --> 03:46:13,560
Yeah, you've been down here for a little

3493
03:46:13,560 --> 03:46:15,440
While, I look at your people, I looked at

3494
03:46:15,440 --> 03:46:17,320
Your accountant and I was like, oh no

3495
03:46:17,320 --> 03:46:19,280
This could be questionable, but

3496
03:46:19,280 --> 03:46:21,100
I brought you up regardless, bro

3497
03:46:21,100 --> 03:46:21,800
Regardless

3498
03:46:21,800 --> 03:46:25,600
I greatly appreciate it, man

3499
03:46:25,600 --> 03:46:27,360
I've been in Cardano since

3500
03:46:27,360 --> 03:46:34,620
2017 believe in everything charles and everybody is is done um had the worst day of my life today

3501
03:46:34,620 --> 03:46:44,160
and uh damn got got hacked uh i had i had my stuff on second five and believed in somebody

3502
03:46:44,160 --> 03:46:50,880
very stupid when my kids were around me uh looking up my wallet address and had everything drained

3503
03:46:50,880 --> 03:46:56,060
had well over 300 and some thousand Cardano drain today.

3504
03:46:56,600 --> 03:47:00,640
My question is, before everybody just says I'm stupid and, you know, all that stuff,

3505
03:47:00,680 --> 03:47:02,720
is there anything that could possibly be done?

3506
03:47:02,720 --> 03:47:06,400
You know that it can be verified, right?

3507
03:47:06,500 --> 03:47:07,260
I'm going to tell you right now.

3508
03:47:07,320 --> 03:47:08,680
Let me help you real quick.

3509
03:47:08,960 --> 03:47:09,180
One.

3510
03:47:09,300 --> 03:47:10,780
Second five does not respond.

3511
03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:11,460
No, hit me on.

3512
03:47:11,520 --> 03:47:11,880
Hit me on.

3513
03:47:12,380 --> 03:47:13,240
I got you.

3514
03:47:14,080 --> 03:47:14,420
You know.

3515
03:47:15,420 --> 03:47:16,500
Supposedly your shit is cooked.

3516
03:47:16,600 --> 03:47:17,520
Oh, I can't get muted.

3517
03:47:17,900 --> 03:47:18,380
That's cool.

3518
03:47:18,860 --> 03:47:19,760
Yeah, hold on, Phil.

3519
03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:20,220
Hold on, Phil.

3520
03:47:20,880 --> 03:47:22,240
you know.

3521
03:47:24,460 --> 03:47:25,100
Okay.

3522
03:47:25,840 --> 03:47:27,880
We can verify that shit.

3523
03:47:28,040 --> 03:47:28,800
And if you're capping,

3524
03:47:29,760 --> 03:47:30,660
that'd be crazy, bro.

3525
03:47:31,240 --> 03:47:32,620
Send me your address.

3526
03:47:33,000 --> 03:47:35,180
You said you got drained

3527
03:47:35,180 --> 03:47:36,420
in the second fight.

3528
03:47:36,600 --> 03:47:37,680
Verify that shit.

3529
03:47:37,800 --> 03:47:40,140
Send him, yo, Jason,

3530
03:47:40,380 --> 03:47:41,800
send Phil up here

3531
03:47:41,800 --> 03:47:42,960
your address.

3532
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:46,220
And we're going to verify

3533
03:47:46,220 --> 03:47:46,720
that shit.

3534
03:47:47,100 --> 03:47:47,720
Because, you know,

3535
03:47:48,160 --> 03:47:49,240
no disrespect to you

3536
03:47:49,240 --> 03:47:50,740
and your nice PFP.

3537
03:47:50,740 --> 03:47:51,620
I got a daughter too

3538
03:47:51,620 --> 03:47:51,960
my boy

3539
03:47:51,960 --> 03:47:52,740
don't you worry

3540
03:47:52,740 --> 03:47:55,280
but you know

3541
03:47:55,280 --> 03:47:57,020
the world is a crazy

3542
03:47:57,020 --> 03:47:57,900
treacherous place

3543
03:47:57,900 --> 03:47:59,100
it

3544
03:47:59,100 --> 03:48:00,460
it wasn't on

3545
03:48:00,460 --> 03:48:01,020
the actual

3546
03:48:01,020 --> 03:48:01,940
second fi

3547
03:48:01,940 --> 03:48:03,280
as far as

3548
03:48:03,280 --> 03:48:04,460
what happened with them

3549
03:48:04,460 --> 03:48:05,740
yo send the address bro

3550
03:48:05,740 --> 03:48:07,220
that's it

3551
03:48:07,220 --> 03:48:07,700
it was

3552
03:48:07,700 --> 03:48:08,360
somebody

3553
03:48:08,360 --> 03:48:10,360
hey send the fucking address

3554
03:48:10,360 --> 03:48:11,740
that supposedly

3555
03:48:11,740 --> 03:48:13,960
your shit got drained from

3556
03:48:13,960 --> 03:48:15,760
you send it to him

3557
03:48:15,760 --> 03:48:17,520
you don't gotta say nothing bro

3558
03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:18,280
yeah I wouldn't

3559
03:48:18,280 --> 03:48:18,720
yeah again

3560
03:48:18,720 --> 03:48:19,740
I wouldn't even say anything

3561
03:48:19,740 --> 03:48:22,700
Don't ask for help in spaces for different reasons.

3562
03:48:22,700 --> 03:48:24,940
Yeah, just send the address to the point in a sense.

3563
03:48:24,940 --> 03:48:26,760
You're just going to get bombarded with scam support people.

3564
03:48:26,840 --> 03:48:29,120
Yeah, it gets even more complicated.

3565
03:48:29,640 --> 03:48:30,900
DM me your address.

3566
03:48:31,060 --> 03:48:33,640
Use my apps that I've published.

3567
03:48:33,780 --> 03:48:35,420
It's my Cardano Seifu app.

3568
03:48:37,560 --> 03:48:43,200
And yeah, if you were affected in that incident, it will be reimbursed.

3569
03:48:44,500 --> 03:48:48,200
If you were not affected in that incident and you were phished

3570
03:48:48,200 --> 03:48:50,880
or your friend did something

3571
03:48:50,880 --> 03:48:52,760
or you otherwise lost funds,

3572
03:48:53,100 --> 03:48:54,520
it's extremely unlikely

3573
03:48:54,520 --> 03:48:55,780
that you would be reimbursed.

3574
03:48:56,440 --> 03:48:57,340
And that's it.

3575
03:48:57,500 --> 03:48:59,680
I'm just being solid

3576
03:48:59,680 --> 03:49:01,880
because there's a lot of members

3577
03:49:01,880 --> 03:49:02,440
that are listening

3578
03:49:02,440 --> 03:49:03,940
that will send you this and that

3579
03:49:03,940 --> 03:49:04,280
or whatever.

3580
03:49:04,780 --> 03:49:06,080
Send the address to him.

3581
03:49:06,240 --> 03:49:06,800
That's it.

3582
03:49:07,120 --> 03:49:07,860
Say less.

3583
03:49:08,380 --> 03:49:09,840
And everything else will be resolved.

3584
03:49:10,120 --> 03:49:11,120
That's like bottom line.

3585
03:49:12,280 --> 03:49:12,900
Thank you, guys.

3586
03:49:12,940 --> 03:49:13,640
I appreciate it.

3587
03:49:13,700 --> 03:49:14,100
What did you use?

3588
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:14,520
Cloudflare?

3589
03:49:17,040 --> 03:49:17,480
Yeah.

3590
03:49:17,480 --> 03:49:19,480
Sorry about that Jason, by the way.

3591
03:49:21,240 --> 03:49:22,760
Yo, Lucasinho, what's up?

3592
03:49:23,800 --> 03:49:24,920
Can you hear me?

3593
03:49:25,260 --> 03:49:29,060
For cell, can you put the artifacts on Crawflair?

3594
03:49:29,400 --> 03:49:30,640
The proof artifacts, right?

3595
03:49:31,180 --> 03:49:33,080
Yeah, I used the proof artifacts.

3596
03:49:33,460 --> 03:49:37,180
Because for ZK proofs, you need like a massive proving key.

3597
03:49:37,880 --> 03:49:39,740
And so I had to stream like a 2 gigabyte.

3598
03:49:40,020 --> 03:49:43,420
Every single user who does the proof needs a 2 gigabyte proving key.

3599
03:49:44,240 --> 03:49:45,740
And he's shooting it through his own shit.

3600
03:49:45,740 --> 03:49:54,660
your browser can't store two gigabytes in memory most browsers and so uh if you do the desktop app

3601
03:49:54,660 --> 03:50:00,640
download it's easy you just download the windows or mac installer or linux installer you run it

3602
03:50:00,640 --> 03:50:06,100
you prove in like four seconds if you do the desktop one i have to stream two gigabytes of

3603
03:50:06,100 --> 03:50:12,820
data to you and i use cloudflare r2 for that and i do like this crazy fucking i chunk the two

3604
03:50:12,820 --> 03:50:14,920
gigabytes and I stream it to

3605
03:50:14,920 --> 03:50:16,180
like a ton of web workers.

3606
03:50:16,780 --> 03:50:18,020
Why are you telling me?

3607
03:50:19,020 --> 03:50:20,880
You don't got to tell them what you do.

3608
03:50:21,420 --> 03:50:22,420
Just send them the address.

3609
03:50:23,200 --> 03:50:25,440
It's open source.

3610
03:50:25,700 --> 03:50:26,600
Anyone can go see.

3611
03:50:27,140 --> 03:50:28,780
It's just here to help people get their funds

3612
03:50:28,780 --> 03:50:30,940
back. It's the first

3613
03:50:30,940 --> 03:50:33,060
meaningful use of ZK on Cardano

3614
03:50:33,060 --> 03:50:34,000
as far as I'm aware.

3615
03:50:34,940 --> 03:50:36,640
So I'm pretty proud of it.

3616
03:50:36,860 --> 03:50:39,040
That's it. It will send you the address, Phil.

3617
03:50:39,260 --> 03:50:40,140
You run it through the shit.

3618
03:50:40,540 --> 03:50:41,780
We'll see it.

3619
03:50:42,820 --> 03:50:50,240
Charles wrote the original Go circuit and this very cool optimization for the Go circuit.

3620
03:50:50,620 --> 03:50:51,480
What do you mean Go circuit?

3621
03:50:52,220 --> 03:50:56,760
So the ZK, the proving logic, the logic which constructs the proof.

3622
03:50:57,700 --> 03:50:58,940
Those are the constraints, basically.

3623
03:50:58,940 --> 03:51:07,720
Yeah, and the circuit itself are written in Go in a framework called Gnark by consensus.

3624
03:51:09,440 --> 03:51:11,480
Like snark, but Gnark.

3625
03:51:11,480 --> 03:51:15,520
and compiles to Wasom.

3626
03:51:15,580 --> 03:51:16,100
Oh, Red Light?

3627
03:51:17,420 --> 03:51:18,680
Man, fuck the city, bro.

3628
03:51:20,200 --> 03:51:21,020
Fuck the city.

3629
03:51:21,680 --> 03:51:23,080
What the fuck did I run a Red Light?

3630
03:51:24,700 --> 03:51:25,620
Whatever, they got mine.

3631
03:51:25,620 --> 03:51:25,980
Yeah.

3632
03:51:27,460 --> 03:51:28,480
But you know,

3633
03:51:28,980 --> 03:51:29,960
Sandia Draghi,

3634
03:51:30,280 --> 03:51:32,140
everything is hit in the background.

3635
03:51:32,340 --> 03:51:32,860
It's all good.

3636
03:51:35,960 --> 03:51:37,620
Is that in response to

3637
03:51:37,620 --> 03:51:41,000
the current post on the Jumbotron?

3638
03:51:41,480 --> 03:51:45,340
where you talked about implications to...

3639
03:51:45,340 --> 03:51:46,640
Quantum migration.

3640
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:48,040
Yeah, quantum migration.

3641
03:51:48,380 --> 03:51:49,160
Quantum migration.

3642
03:51:49,880 --> 03:51:50,480
Yes.

3643
03:51:51,360 --> 03:51:52,100
You saw that.

3644
03:51:52,260 --> 03:51:52,460
Yeah.

3645
03:51:53,300 --> 03:51:57,500
The reason I came to this space is to talk about that,

3646
03:51:57,660 --> 03:51:59,100
to ask you a question.

3647
03:51:59,200 --> 03:52:04,340
First of all, you said something about funds being managed

3648
03:52:04,340 --> 03:52:09,640
on the platform that you said is what Cardano should...

3649
03:52:09,640 --> 03:52:12,920
Cardano or DeFi or Cardano should be or look like?

3650
03:52:13,240 --> 03:52:15,200
That phrase you made specifically.

3651
03:52:15,200 --> 03:52:17,780
The platform that I was talking about is called RealFi.

3652
03:52:18,300 --> 03:52:22,940
RealFi is a new DApp coming out to Cardano that is like Athena,

3653
03:52:23,400 --> 03:52:25,580
which is a very successful DApp in Ethereum,

3654
03:52:25,840 --> 03:52:29,780
where you just park your funds and you earn more yield.

3655
03:52:30,360 --> 03:52:32,680
And you don't have to actively manage your position.

3656
03:52:32,900 --> 03:52:35,100
The problem with Cardano DeFi right now is,

3657
03:52:35,100 --> 03:52:41,080
say you go buy some ADA and you go buy some Foo token, right?

3658
03:52:41,120 --> 03:52:44,020
From whatever application you like, whatever their token is called.

3659
03:52:44,660 --> 03:52:48,300
Now, what you're told to do is, okay, well, you want to use Cardano DeFi.

3660
03:52:48,460 --> 03:52:49,760
Here's DEXs, right?

3661
03:52:50,100 --> 03:52:53,200
So you got to go to provide liquidity and make money.

3662
03:52:53,680 --> 03:52:55,740
You have to go put in two tokens.

3663
03:52:55,960 --> 03:53:00,900
So you have to go get your Foo token and your ADA and you pair them and you create an LP token.

3664
03:53:00,900 --> 03:53:06,440
and then you put the LP token in some staking contract or some farming contract,

3665
03:53:06,620 --> 03:53:09,880
and you get paid in some farming token.

3666
03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:16,660
And then what happens here is you have to deal with market risk

3667
03:53:16,660 --> 03:53:19,480
of actively managing your liquidity.

3668
03:53:19,900 --> 03:53:23,680
Because if Foo token goes down in price and ADA goes up in price,

3669
03:53:23,740 --> 03:53:24,800
you're going to lose a lot of money.

3670
03:53:24,800 --> 03:53:31,180
if either of them diverge or one goes up, the other stays the same,

3671
03:53:31,820 --> 03:53:36,200
any divergence in price movement between those two assets

3672
03:53:36,200 --> 03:53:38,280
cause something called impermanent loss,

3673
03:53:38,800 --> 03:53:40,660
which is essentially you are losing money.

3674
03:53:40,900 --> 03:53:48,360
It's called impermanent just because semantically it hasn't been actualized yet,

3675
03:53:48,580 --> 03:53:50,220
but it actually is permanent.

3676
03:53:50,500 --> 03:53:53,320
Like in every sense of the word, it's real loss.

3677
03:53:53,320 --> 03:54:07,480
And, okay, sure, you can pray that the position rebalances by itself eventually, but, you know, that's just the likelihood of that happening is close to zero. It's the likelihood of two numbers convert, two different independent numbers converging to the same number.

3678
03:54:07,480 --> 03:54:14,540
and so yeah you have to be very active you have to watch the charts all the time you have to

3679
03:54:14,540 --> 03:54:19,380
rebalance you have to move out your liquidity all the time move it into different pools based

3680
03:54:19,380 --> 03:54:25,940
on where the trading volume is and all of these factors and this is not like most people do not

3681
03:54:25,940 --> 03:54:31,060
actively day trade stocks right you just buy that an ETF where it does all of that active

3682
03:54:31,060 --> 03:54:36,180
management for you. So RealFi is like the ETF variant of DeFi.

3683
03:54:40,500 --> 03:54:51,140
Right. Okay. And how exactly is this managed? Is there like AI agents or running the bag?

3684
03:54:51,140 --> 03:54:56,140
So RealFi has like an allow list of DeFi strategies where I think it's like Alchemix,

3685
03:54:56,140 --> 03:55:05,580
Morpho, USDC, T-bill yield sharing. And then they have some allow list of off-chain investments,

3686
03:55:05,580 --> 03:55:12,700
like private credit markets and things like this. And so it's managed by those two things,

3687
03:55:12,700 --> 03:55:21,180
the allow list of on-chain investment portfolio and the off-chain private credit markets of the

3688
03:55:21,180 --> 03:55:23,180
real five investment team.

3689
03:55:25,740 --> 03:55:27,900
Oh, that's interesting.

3690
03:55:29,740 --> 03:55:37,980
Okay. Yeah, thanks, Will. So yeah, about the post-quantum conversation.

3691
03:55:41,580 --> 03:55:47,180
Yeah, so what this app does is the problem is the second five incident has compromised keys,

3692
03:55:47,180 --> 03:55:55,580
private keys. So if you made a transaction, your private key is known. Now, Emurgo has,

3693
03:55:55,780 --> 03:56:02,120
or the White Hat has recovered a significant portion of funds and is committing to reimburse

3694
03:56:02,120 --> 03:56:08,380
everyone impacted. But they need to be able to determine who is the actual owner of the wallet

3695
03:56:08,380 --> 03:56:13,900
to reimburse them. Because the private, normally to prove ownership of your wallet, you sign a

3696
03:56:13,900 --> 03:56:19,800
message with your private key, but the private keys are compromised. So if you use that method,

3697
03:56:20,160 --> 03:56:25,820
you know, anyone could pretend that they're that person and go claim. And so you have to

3698
03:56:25,820 --> 03:56:30,360
allow people to prove ownership without, you can't rely on the private key.

3699
03:56:31,640 --> 03:56:36,220
And so what this does is it relies on the master private key or the seed phrase.

3700
03:56:36,500 --> 03:56:43,480
And so you can prove you on the wallet by creating a zero knowledge proof that you have the master

3701
03:56:43,480 --> 03:56:49,480
private key which derives to that credential. And that's what this app allows you to do.

3702
03:56:49,480 --> 03:56:53,560
And you can go use it, it's on pre-prod, you can go lock some funds and you can go claim them.

3703
03:56:55,880 --> 03:57:00,840
And build a big paper on your own computer. And the reason this is important for quantum

3704
03:57:00,840 --> 03:57:06,840
resistance or has implications in that is because say we want to upgrade to quantum

3705
03:57:06,840 --> 03:57:15,660
resistant addresses, like lattice space wallets and things like that. We can't rely on the private

3706
03:57:15,660 --> 03:57:25,480
key because if we're doing this, that means that quantum, the machinery has sufficiently advanced

3707
03:57:25,480 --> 03:57:31,340
to the point where hash-based cryptography can be cracked so they can get your private key,

3708
03:57:31,340 --> 03:57:37,260
right? But even with quantum computing generally accessible, they can do that.

3709
03:57:37,480 --> 03:57:43,560
They can't get your seed phrase, right? Because there's no public key and no signature.

3710
03:57:44,720 --> 03:57:49,900
And so this allows you to do this to perform safe quantum migration.

3711
03:57:54,520 --> 03:57:57,100
Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

3712
03:57:58,100 --> 03:57:59,960
All right, that's actually interesting.

3713
03:58:01,340 --> 03:58:17,240
I had a question for Charles, but maybe he'll come back, maybe not.

3714
03:58:17,700 --> 03:58:20,560
If he said that you need four to five unicorns,

3715
03:58:20,640 --> 03:58:24,600
and again, Alpha Grove for TVL, best thing that can happen,

3716
03:58:24,740 --> 03:58:28,460
but I wanted to pivot on four or five unicorns.

3717
03:58:28,460 --> 03:58:33,760
So I wanted to ask him if he could use all his current relationships,

3718
03:58:34,060 --> 03:58:35,740
business and enterprise ones,

3719
03:58:36,140 --> 03:58:42,840
and just create a contract in which they create a reinforcement ecosystem loop

3720
03:58:42,840 --> 03:58:46,960
like Tether and Solana do, like Amazon, Microsoft, and OpenAI do.

3721
03:58:47,460 --> 03:58:49,760
They get to at least $20 million a year.

3722
03:58:49,940 --> 03:58:53,420
So imagine four or five holding companies, not I.O., for example,

3723
03:58:53,700 --> 03:58:54,700
but holding companies.

3724
03:58:54,700 --> 03:58:59,380
They get $20 million to $30 million a year, even if the gross profit is 5% to 10%.

3725
03:58:59,380 --> 03:59:09,580
That's a sufficient amount of yearly revenue to get a 50x valuation so that you get a unicorn with $1 to $1.5 billion valuation.

3726
03:59:09,780 --> 03:59:11,680
Then there's your four to five unicorns.

3727
03:59:12,460 --> 03:59:18,120
But all the examples that he gave the past one hour were revolutionary, obviously.

3728
03:59:18,380 --> 03:59:21,560
But besides SpaceX, all of them were business to consumer.

3729
03:59:21,560 --> 03:59:27,160
You know, Steve Jobs primarily was focusing on something revolutionary that was tied to the consumer.

3730
03:59:27,800 --> 03:59:39,340
If the consumer nowadays is harder to convince because of ADD, ADHD, because of social media and what else not, it seems like the game becomes more business to business to business than enterprise.

3731
03:59:40,040 --> 03:59:41,520
So I wanted to ask him on that.

3732
03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:50,560
Next time he comes in and stays, hopefully I get to ask him that question on the difficulty level of creating such a reinforcement loop.

3733
03:59:50,560 --> 03:59:53,020
because in theory, it's simple.

3734
03:59:53,300 --> 03:59:54,620
Like ChatGPT came in,

3735
03:59:54,700 --> 03:59:56,760
but what happened from an accounting perspective

3736
03:59:56,760 --> 03:59:59,520
when ChatGPT came in is exactly that.

3737
03:59:59,660 --> 04:00:01,960
It was, you know, it's not like business to consumer,

3738
04:00:02,100 --> 04:00:03,780
they have an insane amount of subscriptions

3739
04:00:03,780 --> 04:00:06,360
or business to business for people

3740
04:00:06,360 --> 04:00:09,000
that want to create the next ChatGPT or something else.

3741
04:00:09,420 --> 04:00:11,140
It was more business to business, business enterprise.

3742
04:00:11,500 --> 04:00:12,920
And then the other public companies,

3743
04:00:12,920 --> 04:00:14,840
although ChatGPT is not public,

3744
04:00:15,500 --> 04:00:18,300
they created these reinforcement ecosystem loops

3745
04:00:18,300 --> 04:00:22,320
in which they spend money between each other.

3746
04:00:22,700 --> 04:00:24,480
It's not like one-sided spending.

3747
04:00:24,640 --> 04:00:26,200
It's multi-signed spending.

3748
04:00:26,620 --> 04:00:28,120
And that just boosts your numbers.

3749
04:00:29,060 --> 04:00:30,080
And they all knew that.

3750
04:00:30,460 --> 04:00:34,360
And so it's like, I understand that he's always competed

3751
04:00:34,360 --> 04:00:38,420
with Ethereum and Solana in general.

3752
04:00:38,420 --> 04:00:42,420
And if that's always going to be the case,

3753
04:00:42,740 --> 04:00:46,420
then it's not viable to ask Ethereum or Solana

3754
04:00:46,420 --> 04:00:49,560
for such reinforcement contracts of $20 million of revenue

3755
04:00:49,560 --> 04:00:52,060
in between each other just so they boost their numbers.

3756
04:00:52,540 --> 04:00:54,480
If that's not the case, then I would ask him,

3757
04:00:54,560 --> 04:00:58,260
wait, if your venture studio had the biggest return of investment

3758
04:00:58,260 --> 04:01:01,020
with Colossal, you know, the bioscience company

3759
04:01:01,020 --> 04:01:03,680
that revived the Lululee Mammoth,

3760
04:01:03,800 --> 04:01:06,500
can you, as a solid investor in Colossal,

3761
04:01:06,500 --> 04:01:09,820
do something in which there is a preserved contract

3762
04:01:09,820 --> 04:01:12,220
through midnight through a holding company

3763
04:01:12,220 --> 04:01:15,640
in which you can just do $20 million revenue exchanges?

3764
04:01:16,420 --> 04:01:23,080
so that you then have your valuation in the holding company connected to Colosal by using Midnight.

3765
04:01:23,740 --> 04:01:24,540
And then there you go.

3766
04:01:24,740 --> 04:01:30,020
That's your unicorn from a numbers perspective.

3767
04:01:31,540 --> 04:01:38,280
Obviously, it would not be like this movie thing where you're changing the world better in humanity immediately,

3768
04:01:38,280 --> 04:01:48,280
but you're at least establishing the gamified KPIs that are required to have at least one to five unicorns.

3769
04:01:48,520 --> 04:01:50,180
Then it becomes easier.

3770
04:01:50,180 --> 04:02:08,100
I guess you could just write that out

3771
04:02:08,100 --> 04:02:10,140
and make that point

3772
04:02:10,140 --> 04:02:13,180
and just tap Charles and hope he responds to it

3773
04:02:13,180 --> 04:02:19,440
Yeah

3774
04:02:19,440 --> 04:02:24,820
Yeah, well, I become autistic for certain aspects.

3775
04:02:25,020 --> 04:02:25,820
I keep repeating them.

3776
04:02:25,940 --> 04:02:27,520
Esco knows how autistic I get.

3777
04:02:28,040 --> 04:02:30,200
So I'll repeat it a few times.

3778
04:02:30,400 --> 04:02:30,660
Thanks.

3779
04:02:32,600 --> 04:02:33,960
I didn't understand.

3780
04:02:34,120 --> 04:02:36,100
It was to have them invest elsewhere.

3781
04:02:39,920 --> 04:02:45,160
So go to Grok or any AI that you use right now

3782
04:02:45,160 --> 04:02:48,440
and write the explanation.

3783
04:02:48,440 --> 04:02:50,020
it's called a meme.

3784
04:02:50,540 --> 04:02:53,560
There's a meme between Microsoft OpenAI and Microsoft.

3785
04:02:54,040 --> 04:02:55,620
I'm sorry, Microsoft, OpenAI, Amazon,

3786
04:02:55,800 --> 04:02:58,300
in which they create contracts

3787
04:02:58,300 --> 04:03:01,300
in which one company gives 20 billion to the other.

3788
04:03:01,640 --> 04:03:04,060
Then in a different contract with the same company,

3789
04:03:04,060 --> 04:03:06,380
they give 20 something billion back.

3790
04:03:06,920 --> 04:03:08,300
And then with the other ones...

3791
04:03:08,300 --> 04:03:09,900
Yeah, it's like a thing people post about.

3792
04:03:09,980 --> 04:03:12,900
Yes, and so that's one example in the non-crypto space.

3793
04:03:13,420 --> 04:03:14,840
In the crypto space, for example,

3794
04:03:14,960 --> 04:03:17,080
because I saw it firsthand when Bo Hanks,

3795
04:03:17,080 --> 04:03:24,100
He was in the Trump administration and now he's the CEO of Tether, I believe.

3796
04:03:24,540 --> 04:03:26,280
They're doing the same thing with Solana.

3797
04:03:26,400 --> 04:03:32,380
Solana gives indirect money to or direct money to Tether and Tether gives money back.

3798
04:03:32,480 --> 04:03:37,040
So they're just exchanging money between each other and it's called the ecosystem reinforcement loop.

3799
04:03:37,120 --> 04:03:39,460
So it's like the meme, but it's in crypto.

3800
04:03:40,320 --> 04:03:45,780
And so if Charles has the following use cases, which he can do or he cannot,

3801
04:03:45,780 --> 04:03:49,020
He can either do that with crypto, kind of like Solana and Tether.

3802
04:03:49,440 --> 04:03:52,880
He can either do that with all the connections that he has with Midnight at Cardano,

3803
04:03:53,020 --> 04:03:58,740
with public companies, Google, and all those top 10 ones for some kind of contracts.

3804
04:03:58,880 --> 04:04:04,040
Or he can do it with his Venture Studio existing contracts

3805
04:04:04,040 --> 04:04:07,880
in which they can exactly do the same thing where you propose it.

3806
04:04:08,580 --> 04:04:12,120
And it's like it's a business to business or business to enterprise

3807
04:04:12,120 --> 04:04:13,920
or enterprise to enterprise exchange of money.

3808
04:04:13,920 --> 04:04:20,700
And it's a legitimate transaction because you're still one company is providing services to the other.

3809
04:04:21,440 --> 04:04:30,020
But from a pure accounting point of view, and if you've ever had conversations with big banks and wanting any kind of loans for millions, tens of millions of dollars,

3810
04:04:30,600 --> 04:04:38,960
usually the bank would say, okay, we're going to give you 50 mil if you show me two years of C-Corp, S-Corp, whatever tax returns.

3811
04:04:38,960 --> 04:04:45,400
You show me your Q1 statement in the last year versus the other, how much gross revenue you had, what's your gross profit.

3812
04:04:45,800 --> 04:04:47,960
And if you have a solid track record, here's 50.

3813
04:04:48,760 --> 04:04:50,620
All right, but here we're not even talking about loans.

3814
04:04:50,700 --> 04:04:52,300
I understand Cardano Treasurer is going to fund.

3815
04:04:53,320 --> 04:04:54,480
Ignore the loan part.

3816
04:04:55,020 --> 04:05:00,040
The part we're focusing on is that if you can show $20 to $30 million per company,

3817
04:05:01,320 --> 04:05:06,020
when you raise a fund for a unicorn and you give it a valuation,

3818
04:05:06,020 --> 04:05:12,280
or you're going to do a public company in which you trade post-IPO shares or pre-IPO shares,

3819
04:05:12,380 --> 04:05:16,880
but you already have revenue, usually the multiple is between 30 to 50x.

3820
04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:24,340
So in theory, then, if you have a close ecosystem loop between two businesses or two enterprises

3821
04:05:24,340 --> 04:05:28,700
in which there's an exchange of 30, 20 million between both of them,

3822
04:05:29,180 --> 04:05:34,060
and then you also are creating either a pre-IPO or just a general valuation

3823
04:05:34,060 --> 04:05:36,020
where you use a 30 to 50 X multiple,

3824
04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:39,660
20 to 30 million times 30 to 50 X multiple,

3825
04:05:39,900 --> 04:05:41,620
there's your 1 billion, 1.5 billion.

3826
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:44,100
You do that in five different use cases

3827
04:05:44,100 --> 04:05:46,160
and then just in terms of numbers,

3828
04:05:46,280 --> 04:05:47,440
there's your five unicorns.

3829
04:05:47,540 --> 04:05:47,980
That's it.

3830
04:05:48,820 --> 04:05:50,800
But it's unicorns based on numbers.

3831
04:05:51,240 --> 04:05:55,600
It's not unicorns based on waiting years and years and years

3832
04:05:55,600 --> 04:05:59,940
for consumer behavior to finally, you know,

3833
04:06:00,040 --> 04:06:02,720
catch up to your product, be educated, be marketed,

3834
04:06:02,720 --> 04:06:10,320
etc etc etc it seems like business consumer acquisition is probably going to get harder

3835
04:06:10,320 --> 04:06:17,460
but if you instead focus on the enterprise companies that as he said he won't they won

3836
04:06:17,460 --> 04:06:23,680
four to five unicorns 1 billion i feel like it's within his wheelhouse to quite solidly just from

3837
04:06:23,680 --> 04:06:29,480
numbers perspective get fortify holding companies that can have a 1 billion valuation based on a 30x

3838
04:06:29,480 --> 04:06:48,740
multiple in revenue. Is this advice for what IO should do? Is that what you're saying? Or what

3839
04:06:48,740 --> 04:06:56,240
WAVE should do? No, this is, well, my aunt is a credit executive at a major bank, and she's been

3840
04:06:56,240 --> 04:06:58,620
with all the major banks, almost all the major banks.

3841
04:06:58,940 --> 04:07:01,100
So she's signed off from a lot of returns.

3842
04:07:01,220 --> 04:07:03,480
She usually shows up at SEC documents.

3843
04:07:04,100 --> 04:07:06,200
But this is not advice per se.

3844
04:07:06,520 --> 04:07:10,060
And it's not like almost any employee in theory

3845
04:07:10,060 --> 04:07:11,440
would be able to know about that

3846
04:07:11,440 --> 04:07:14,300
because you have to be at that level to begin with.

3847
04:07:14,380 --> 04:07:20,080
So this is about maybe Charles having at least a few advisors

3848
04:07:20,080 --> 04:07:22,160
that are in the banking space.

3849
04:07:22,380 --> 04:07:22,560
He does.

3850
04:07:22,560 --> 04:07:23,260
He does.

3851
04:07:23,940 --> 04:07:29,940
And so if he does then, why have they not explained that game to him?

3852
04:07:30,360 --> 04:07:31,180
I would not worry.

3853
04:07:31,500 --> 04:07:34,560
I'm sure every imaginable game has been explained.

3854
04:07:35,140 --> 04:07:36,660
They have very good people.

3855
04:07:37,780 --> 04:07:43,040
They have a lot of people in banking, in long-term investment finance,

3856
04:07:43,660 --> 04:07:47,200
in VC industry, in private credit.

3857
04:07:47,920 --> 04:07:50,900
They have their own investment firms, right?

3858
04:07:50,900 --> 04:07:52,940
so they have their own

3859
04:07:52,940 --> 04:07:53,640
VCs

3860
04:07:53,640 --> 04:07:56,840
okay

3861
04:07:56,840 --> 04:07:59,140
and so if I were to hear it

3862
04:07:59,140 --> 04:08:00,600
whether it's like a

3863
04:08:00,600 --> 04:08:03,040
written private format

3864
04:08:03,040 --> 04:08:05,020
outside an NDA I just want to see

3865
04:08:05,020 --> 04:08:06,960
the understanding so that I autistically

3866
04:08:06,960 --> 04:08:09,040
go down the route and figure out

3867
04:08:09,040 --> 04:08:10,600
whether there's anything missing

3868
04:08:10,600 --> 04:08:12,660
I just

3869
04:08:12,660 --> 04:08:14,940
it's I'm not the person

3870
04:08:14,940 --> 04:08:16,980
to talk to you gotta talk to Charles

3871
04:08:16,980 --> 04:08:18,940
right and Brian

3872
04:08:18,940 --> 04:08:20,580
is here from Alpha Growth

3873
04:08:20,900 --> 04:08:29,380
reminder for everyone if you haven't to vote for the alpha growth proposal and vote for the

3874
04:08:29,380 --> 04:08:35,880
ncl race brian you just missed charles he was in the space a few minutes ago that's cool yeah dude

3875
04:08:35,880 --> 04:08:42,120
uh futurist is describing fraud and people go to jail for that if it's a if it's a public cabal

3876
04:08:42,120 --> 04:08:48,460
um that is known there's there's a firm in silicon valley that was pre-booking revenue

3877
04:08:48,460 --> 04:08:53,200
If you go as far back as Enron, that's the whole thing that they were doing too.

3878
04:08:53,280 --> 04:08:55,520
They were pre-booking and miss-booking revenue.

3879
04:08:55,860 --> 04:09:04,180
The real difference here, when you do some of those loops, it becomes like how you do your accounting analysis and then how you book the revenue.

3880
04:09:04,640 --> 04:09:10,740
But then the major thing with publicly traded companies is really around EBITDA, right?

3881
04:09:10,920 --> 04:09:13,720
So revenue isn't the end-all be-all.

3882
04:09:14,480 --> 04:09:18,380
So if I'm $20 million in and $20 million out, my EBITDA is zero.

3883
04:09:18,460 --> 04:09:35,920
So that kind of like gets into the profitability. You could do some financial discerning and revenue booking games, but that shit always unwinds eventually. But to your point, futurist, that's pretty much how the SaaS industry in Silicon Valley propped itself up for a very, very long time.

3884
04:09:35,920 --> 04:09:54,900
Great. Awesome explanation. So you're saying that obviously the way I explain it is a little bit more on the thinner side of not being allowed, but there are ways in which it's currently being done so that it's legitimate and obviously focused on the data as well. Great clarification. Thanks.

3885
04:09:56,300 --> 04:10:05,080
Yeah, I mean, there's ways. I mean, part of liquidity money and games of emissions from any token projects is kind of part of that. They're giving up equity for revenue.

3886
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:11,300
And as long as that is a positive EV trade, you can do that at an infinite amount, right?

3887
04:10:11,460 --> 04:10:13,680
So, you know, Aave still does Aave emissions.

3888
04:10:13,900 --> 04:10:15,540
Compound still does compound emissions.

3889
04:10:16,080 --> 04:10:22,380
And for a very, very long time, what they were trading was like softer money for harder money, right?

3890
04:10:22,860 --> 04:10:32,200
So in the treasury, they get what they consider harder money, which would be like Bitcoin and ETH and dollars versus their emission token money.

3891
04:10:32,200 --> 04:10:43,020
And it's positive EV because literally a token supply, the max that you can sell in any given time is maybe a couple percentage points of the entire supply.

3892
04:10:43,160 --> 04:10:49,180
So they have way too much equity, if you want to think of it as a stock in their own project.

3893
04:10:49,760 --> 04:10:57,500
So I've seen a lot of deals where there's equity trades and token swaps that are kind of similar where they say, hey, we booked this deal.

3894
04:10:57,500 --> 04:11:02,140
and there was one famous one with like OrangeDAO and NIR

3895
04:11:02,140 --> 04:11:04,760
where, you know, NIR wanted to do it,

3896
04:11:04,860 --> 04:11:06,860
OrangeDAO to get a bunch of like their projects on board.

3897
04:11:06,940 --> 04:11:08,940
It was like the Web3YC in Silicon Valley

3898
04:11:08,940 --> 04:11:11,460
and I think it was like a $4 million trade.

3899
04:11:11,900 --> 04:11:13,740
The liquidity on NIR was massive

3900
04:11:13,740 --> 04:11:16,960
and the liquidity on the OrangeDAO token was teeny tiny.

3901
04:11:17,580 --> 04:11:19,280
So you have to kind of like understand

3902
04:11:19,280 --> 04:11:23,100
what we call like drop 10,

3903
04:11:23,100 --> 04:11:26,380
which is like how much can you sell

3904
04:11:26,380 --> 04:11:30,920
before your market cap goes negative 10%.

3905
04:11:30,920 --> 04:11:33,920
And that's kind of like a metric that we generally use

3906
04:11:33,920 --> 04:11:39,080
to understand what a project or an equity is potentially worth.

3907
04:11:42,580 --> 04:11:43,220
Okay.

3908
04:11:43,700 --> 04:11:47,700
So besides the proposal and hopefully all goes smooth

3909
04:11:47,700 --> 04:11:51,200
with accepting what we were just talking about,

3910
04:11:51,620 --> 04:11:56,000
do you see any use cases for Cardano at midnight being used

3911
04:11:56,000 --> 04:11:58,700
and then also incorporating this following use case.

3912
04:11:59,160 --> 04:12:03,320
So if you know that if there's a disabled veteran

3913
04:12:03,320 --> 04:12:07,800
that has a business registered to apply for SAM.gov,

3914
04:12:07,920 --> 04:12:09,540
DOD, and other kinds of contracts,

3915
04:12:09,880 --> 04:12:11,420
at least on the SAM.gov side,

3916
04:12:11,420 --> 04:12:14,640
they get a preference like on first come,

3917
04:12:14,920 --> 04:12:16,400
like they're going to be the first preference

3918
04:12:16,400 --> 04:12:19,740
at the end of each year to get more and more contracts

3919
04:12:19,740 --> 04:12:20,980
out of the one trillion plus

3920
04:12:20,980 --> 04:12:22,800
that's currently going to get into funding

3921
04:12:22,800 --> 04:12:23,780
for this year, for example.

3922
04:12:23,780 --> 04:12:35,480
Do you think that using Cardano at midnight to get the legitimate ways of revenue through third-party holding companies is possible through government-related contracts?

3923
04:12:35,600 --> 04:12:45,320
Or do you think other finance, DeFi, biotech, AI with robotics or other verticals are good to get those $30 million at least revenue a year?

3924
04:12:45,320 --> 04:13:09,540
I think that chain analysis and TRM Labs, there's a thing coming out with TRM Labs that is going to roll out nationwide where this is just on-chain analysis, like watching wallet addresses, watching quote-unquote bad guys and even good guys like where money flows.

3925
04:13:09,540 --> 04:13:14,960
Those contracts are hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars with the government, right?

3926
04:13:15,320 --> 04:13:18,500
So I'll take one kind of concept there.

3927
04:13:18,660 --> 04:13:23,780
It's like there are over like $100 million of revenue.

3928
04:13:23,880 --> 04:13:27,500
There's probably like 40 companies in crypto that are not exchanges,

3929
04:13:27,500 --> 04:13:31,240
that are just like companies like servicing government, finance, fintech.

3930
04:13:32,180 --> 04:13:33,860
And some of them are super weird.

3931
04:13:33,980 --> 04:13:35,120
A lot of them are in the data space.

3932
04:13:35,480 --> 04:13:36,860
So there's like a lot of opportunity there.

3933
04:13:36,960 --> 04:13:40,600
Just all of the infrastructure of like tracking what happens on chain, number one.

3934
04:13:40,600 --> 04:13:47,000
Um, what I'm seeing in traditional finance is that it's not going to be defined C5.

3935
04:13:47,160 --> 04:13:48,560
The thing is going to merge.

3936
04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:55,300
So like whatever the faster money velocity flows and the ease, the ease of the, uh, of

3937
04:13:55,300 --> 04:13:58,640
the trade, um, money trends towards that pipeline.

3938
04:13:58,640 --> 04:14:03,940
So like, like everybody's like about stable coins and they're about like USD stable coins.

3939
04:14:03,940 --> 04:14:08,920
And the reason is, is because every country in the world and Wells Fargo and all these

3940
04:14:08,920 --> 04:14:17,140
Forex, they charge incredibly large amounts of flow. And now I can move a billion dollars with

3941
04:14:17,140 --> 04:14:23,900
a 10 cent transaction, which is insane. So once you kind of, they're starting to unlock that,

3942
04:14:24,100 --> 04:14:30,040
but all of finance flows on chain eventually. It's just better discovery, more transparent.

3943
04:14:31,620 --> 04:14:36,900
And it's just like, it's like an inevitability. The strategy is the sequence of how you do it,

3944
04:14:36,900 --> 04:14:41,380
whether it's not like a government contract with the VA or,

3945
04:14:41,380 --> 04:14:44,340
you know, like the payment processors,

3946
04:14:44,480 --> 04:14:46,900
I used to work at an investment bank that bought a shit ton of payment

3947
04:14:46,900 --> 04:14:51,920
processors. Right. So like, how do you get involved in that space?

3948
04:14:51,920 --> 04:14:57,540
Like what I had a friend that was working at Tron and he's like, well,

3949
04:14:57,660 --> 04:14:59,380
we wanted, he's like, we want to be in the payment space.

3950
04:14:59,440 --> 04:15:01,340
What would you do? I was like, buy a payments company,

3951
04:15:02,200 --> 04:15:06,080
put up a hundred million and literally just buy the payments company and just

3952
04:15:06,080 --> 04:15:12,300
put it on the rails. And so we're going to see that. I don't know if it's the cycle,

3953
04:15:12,420 --> 04:15:17,560
but it's probably the cycle. As the investment banks come in, having a chain, having a foundation,

3954
04:15:17,760 --> 04:15:24,380
having a treasury by a company to just put like a couple, you know, 100 million transactions a year

3955
04:15:24,380 --> 04:15:27,980
on chain is inevitability, in my opinion.

3956
04:15:36,080 --> 04:15:51,320
there was a there's a good podcast with uh chamath who spoke on exactly what you're talking about

3957
04:15:51,320 --> 04:15:54,700
when he kind of like looked behind the curtain right before he got into spax

3958
04:15:54,700 --> 04:16:00,540
he talked about the the oroboros of sass in silicon valley it's like hey we fund this one

3959
04:16:00,540 --> 04:16:05,300
company five million and then they go and they buy software from this company and then they go

3960
04:16:05,300 --> 04:16:10,220
buy software from the other company and then they go spend two million of their five million on

3961
04:16:10,220 --> 04:16:17,300
facebook to like ads you know it was just like this ouroboros of like the sas company booking

3962
04:16:17,300 --> 04:16:22,100
revenue booking revenue to like book for revenue and then it kind of all flowed to like twitter

3963
04:16:22,100 --> 04:16:29,120
ads and facebook ads and all the infrastructure and cloudera and and all this like cloud hosting

3964
04:16:29,120 --> 04:16:36,800
stuff and infrastructure so it it's been known for a little while oh wow uh you mentioned spax

3965
04:16:36,800 --> 04:16:42,540
you know at this year's bitcoin conference there was this person that said if you show 100k uh

3966
04:16:42,540 --> 04:16:49,100
recurring revenue in the gaming gaming space i could communicate with you on a reverse merger

3967
04:16:49,100 --> 04:16:54,940
spac and obviously you just said booking revenue with spax and chamath and chamath was and is the

3968
04:16:54,940 --> 04:16:58,920
BatKing, Virgin, Galactic, and a few other use cases.

3969
04:16:59,940 --> 04:17:01,380
So, okay, great.

3970
04:17:02,880 --> 04:17:05,680
Yeah, this is very investment banking level advice,

3971
04:17:05,880 --> 04:17:07,760
and I'm a credentialed tax accountant.

3972
04:17:07,880 --> 04:17:11,020
I don't have as much investment banking experience,

3973
04:17:11,160 --> 04:17:12,040
but that's awesome.

3974
04:17:12,160 --> 04:17:14,820
If you have any additional tips and knowledge, it's great.

3975
04:17:17,060 --> 04:17:18,680
I like what you were saying, though.

3976
04:17:18,820 --> 04:17:20,960
There's a game to play between tokens,

3977
04:17:21,700 --> 04:17:24,660
trying to figure out that game that isn't just

3978
04:17:24,660 --> 04:17:29,180
a pump and dump is the key. It's like, how do you do it sustainably?

3979
04:17:29,700 --> 04:17:32,880
How do you have a little bit of extra emissions here and there?

3980
04:17:34,620 --> 04:17:38,040
The last cycle was all this high FDV, low float.

3981
04:17:38,960 --> 04:17:44,340
They were launching tokens at multiple billion dollar valuations and the market makers were

3982
04:17:44,340 --> 04:17:48,540
breaking their backs to keep things like

3983
04:17:48,540 --> 04:17:52,520
Monad and Eigenlayer at the levels that they are

3984
04:17:52,520 --> 04:17:55,080
because of the investor unlocks.

3985
04:17:55,280 --> 04:17:56,620
And so the whole game is like,

3986
04:17:56,760 --> 04:17:59,600
how do I have to be a low float

3987
04:17:59,600 --> 04:18:01,660
with a lot of these large projects?

3988
04:18:01,960 --> 04:18:06,500
And then can I sustain a price for 12 to 18 months

3989
04:18:06,500 --> 04:18:08,160
to sustain all the investor unlocks

3990
04:18:08,160 --> 04:18:11,800
so I don't have to dip into my warrants and options

3991
04:18:11,800 --> 04:18:13,260
and pay a ton more?

3992
04:18:14,100 --> 04:18:16,040
Funny enough, we did talk about that

3993
04:18:16,040 --> 04:18:18,940
with Charles and a few other people from the space.

3994
04:18:18,940 --> 04:18:19,980
So basically, as you know,

3995
04:18:19,980 --> 04:18:27,380
SpaceX have 96% locked. And so that's why immediately upon IPO and for some time, I guess a

3996
04:18:27,380 --> 04:18:32,160
month or so, the market cap was $2 trillion or so and Elon was able to get to $1.2 trillion.

3997
04:18:33,140 --> 04:18:39,080
Then when I asked Charles and other people in the space, they told me that to get an IPO with a

3998
04:18:39,080 --> 04:18:48,380
company, whether it's NASDAQ, NYSE or PinkShares, and to get 96% to 99% locked requires you to go

3999
04:18:48,380 --> 04:18:54,020
through the banks first and banks take a cut rather than you just being able to IPO with 96

4000
04:18:54,020 --> 04:18:59,500
to 99% lock so that you get an off the charts market cap in general do you think that's possible

4001
04:18:59,500 --> 04:19:08,200
or no yeah so there was like only six banks that you could work with previously I don't know what

4002
04:19:08,200 --> 04:19:12,240
it is anymore it's been a while since I was working in that area but there was only like

4003
04:19:12,240 --> 04:19:18,100
six banks that you could work with to get an IPO and then the SPAC was like another version of that

4004
04:19:18,100 --> 04:19:23,460
which gave a different way to reverse merge or go public.

4005
04:19:25,180 --> 04:19:27,380
Yeah, you're betting on Elon.

4006
04:19:27,680 --> 04:19:30,020
So he's the outlier.

4007
04:19:30,140 --> 04:19:31,020
He's not the rule.

4008
04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:33,920
And you're betting on space mining.

4009
04:19:34,860 --> 04:19:38,560
There's a crypto fund called M31.

4010
04:19:39,180 --> 04:19:45,540
And it basically talks about a planet that they used with a laser sighting.

4011
04:19:45,540 --> 04:19:50,720
and they were able to like analyze the planet the whole entire planet is made of gold and so the

4012
04:19:50,720 --> 04:19:55,940
reason why i call like m31 is effectively like bitcoin is more valuable than gold because there's

4013
04:19:55,940 --> 04:20:00,260
a whole planet of gold out there and then one day we'll we'll go space mine it so when these guys

4014
04:20:00,260 --> 04:20:08,300
are like when you're talking about spacex it's just so far beyond like out of the normalcy of

4015
04:20:08,300 --> 04:20:14,140
of IPOs and banking, like I, it's, it's a strange one.

4016
04:20:14,520 --> 04:20:15,480
There, there was,

4017
04:20:15,700 --> 04:20:20,140
there were people going around selling $250 million clips and in Miami at

4018
04:20:20,140 --> 04:20:24,320
consensus. And I was like, like 250 million minimum.

4019
04:20:24,320 --> 04:20:28,980
And that was like, this is, it's absolutely insane. It's,

4020
04:20:28,980 --> 04:20:34,420
it's non, it's non-normal things. It's not normal business.

4021
04:20:34,420 --> 04:21:04,400
Okay, great insight.

4022
04:21:04,420 --> 04:21:09,940
a market maker perspective is easier than if you have uh you know 50 on lot for example it just

4023
04:21:09,940 --> 04:21:14,740
takes much more money that has to be put in but that's something that i guess if you remember the

4024
04:21:14,740 --> 04:21:20,180
six banks i could do a deep dive analysis on what the requirements are for those six banks

4025
04:21:22,980 --> 04:21:28,420
yeah it's a it's been a while it's chat gpt thing it's all the major ones though that's what he

4026
04:21:28,420 --> 04:21:35,700
he meant by deep dive ai ass motherfucker man what's going on here dude

4027
04:21:35,700 --> 04:21:45,400
brian i like you dude um alpha growth i keep here and everyone in the space talk about alpha growth

4028
04:21:45,400 --> 04:21:51,180
alpha growth uh who's more interested in cardano cardano more interested in alpha growth or is

4029
04:21:51,180 --> 04:21:54,180
alpha growth more interested in cardano that sounds like a good question

4030
04:21:54,180 --> 04:22:08,420
this is an incredible opportunity um we don't take it lightly um i'm

4031
04:22:08,420 --> 04:22:20,200
my my there's a game that eric and i have put together um and we were we want to see it through

4032
04:22:20,200 --> 04:22:34,060
Right. And we know that it's like our money's cool. Great. But it's but more than that, it's really about the art of the situation of like trying to put a strategy in and you know that it's going to work.

4033
04:22:34,060 --> 04:22:37,320
and you've seen it before and you've tested it

4034
04:22:37,320 --> 04:22:41,740
and we have executed on very, very similar things before.

4035
04:22:42,560 --> 04:22:48,040
And you want the ability to not just do a great job,

4036
04:22:48,220 --> 04:22:51,820
but you want the ability to see your art,

4037
04:22:51,940 --> 04:22:53,420
your creation come into existence.

4038
04:22:55,140 --> 04:22:59,160
And we're pretty obsessive about that.

4039
04:23:00,000 --> 04:23:00,860
I don't know if that makes sense.

4040
04:23:01,900 --> 04:23:03,100
Makes perfect sense.

4041
04:23:04,060 --> 04:23:04,580
I love it.

4042
04:23:06,280 --> 04:23:11,100
I'm in the camp of I don't do governance.

4043
04:23:11,460 --> 04:23:12,800
I don't do voting.

4044
04:23:13,020 --> 04:23:14,520
I don't do any of that stuff.

4045
04:23:14,620 --> 04:23:16,320
I could care less about all that on Cardano.

4046
04:23:16,320 --> 04:23:23,200
But I see a lot of excitement around you guys, which from the boys on this stage specifically,

4047
04:23:23,760 --> 04:23:31,360
they're quite excited and think it'll be quite fruitful, which I tend to lean in their direction

4048
04:23:31,360 --> 04:23:33,560
most of the time if they feel a certain way

4049
04:23:33,560 --> 04:23:34,420
about a certain thing.

4050
04:23:34,680 --> 04:23:38,240
So excited and I hope everything pans out

4051
04:23:38,240 --> 04:23:38,920
the way it should.

4052
04:23:42,980 --> 04:23:43,640
Thank you, sir.

4053
04:23:49,820 --> 04:23:50,420
Can you hear me?

4054
04:23:50,420 --> 04:23:50,660
Yeah, yeah.

4055
04:23:51,100 --> 04:23:51,820
What's up, Lucas?

4056
04:23:51,900 --> 04:23:53,560
I don't know where all the chatty Cathy's went, bro.

4057
04:23:53,700 --> 04:23:54,380
They went silent.

4058
04:23:55,940 --> 04:23:56,820
What's up, you lesbian?

4059
04:23:56,820 --> 04:23:57,600
What's up, you fucking gay faggot?

4060
04:23:57,800 --> 04:23:58,140
No, I'm kidding.

4061
04:24:01,360 --> 04:24:09,200
uh hetero nation bro from real serious to real not serious real quick yeah yeah i'm here for that

4062
04:24:09,200 --> 04:24:15,120
straight nation bro apparently i ran a red light on father's day i gotta pay this ticket now oh bro

4063
04:24:15,120 --> 04:24:19,040
are you telling me they got up in like i mean i'm sure they got this in california too but like they

4064
04:24:19,040 --> 04:24:21,760
could just smack your ass with tickets while you're driving and you don't even know

4065
04:24:23,840 --> 04:24:27,680
yeah i mean they've had red light cameras in florida for very long back your ass no homo

4066
04:24:27,680 --> 04:24:33,280
since i was like young yeah i got you he's just hanging out around esco too much

4067
04:24:33,280 --> 04:24:35,280
talking about yeah don't let me get on that ass

4068
04:24:39,120 --> 04:24:41,760
he's like he says coming don't let me come on that ass

4069
04:24:47,680 --> 04:24:50,240
hold up bro let's get specific

4070
04:24:50,240 --> 04:24:50,900
I'm coming for you.

4071
04:24:51,120 --> 04:24:52,300
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

4072
04:24:52,720 --> 04:24:53,580
Wait, hold up.

4073
04:24:54,400 --> 04:24:56,200
Bro, I went into office today, bro.

4074
04:24:56,420 --> 04:24:57,360
Oh, my God.

4075
04:24:57,760 --> 04:25:07,500
I don't know how people do things to screw things up to the extent that they do when you disappear for three months and then you come back in and everything is just fucking torched.

4076
04:25:09,900 --> 04:25:10,740
I know, bro.

4077
04:25:11,180 --> 04:25:12,820
I deal with that kind of shit every day, bro.

4078
04:25:12,820 --> 04:25:14,820
All the backup servers, dead.

4079
04:25:15,460 --> 04:25:15,900
Misconfigured.

4080
04:25:16,300 --> 04:25:18,820
All the fucking everything, broken.

4081
04:25:18,820 --> 04:25:20,540
I'm like what happened?

4082
04:25:20,900 --> 04:25:21,820
What did you guys do?

4083
04:25:25,520 --> 04:25:26,000
Anyways

4084
04:25:26,000 --> 04:25:27,800
That is what it is bro

4085
04:25:27,800 --> 04:25:29,160
It's not even my job anyways

4086
04:25:29,160 --> 04:25:31,200
I need to contact a third party

4087
04:25:31,200 --> 04:25:33,200
And be like come fix this shit

4088
04:25:33,200 --> 04:25:36,300
Yeah

4089
04:25:36,300 --> 04:25:38,420
100% bro

4090
04:25:38,420 --> 04:25:40,300
I was fucking

4091
04:25:40,300 --> 04:25:42,200
At least we were born outside

4092
04:25:42,200 --> 04:25:44,400
Thank god bro

4093
04:25:44,400 --> 04:25:45,660
Born on the sand

4094
04:25:45,660 --> 04:25:54,740
i've been fucking dealing with a bunch of shit the past like week not like personal like work

4095
04:25:54,740 --> 04:25:59,860
shit yeah it's just crazy right you tell motherfuckers the same shit like two three times

4096
04:25:59,860 --> 04:26:08,220
and they're like wait how did that work again it's like man just fuck fuck bro fucking hell

4097
04:26:08,220 --> 04:26:15,360
it is what it is though if there could just be one more of me in the office then we could just

4098
04:26:15,360 --> 04:26:17,200
replaced everyone in the office.

4099
04:26:17,440 --> 04:26:19,160
That'd be awesome. One outside the office,

4100
04:26:19,280 --> 04:26:20,260
one inside the office.

4101
04:26:21,060 --> 04:26:21,660
One of each.

4102
04:26:22,300 --> 04:26:25,100
I thought about that and then I was like,

4103
04:26:25,160 --> 04:26:26,520
I probably wouldn't like his ass.

4104
04:26:26,680 --> 04:26:29,360
I'd hate him because he'd be competing with me.

4105
04:26:29,440 --> 04:26:31,080
I'd be like, yo, you're challenging me right now?

4106
04:26:31,160 --> 04:26:31,940
Get the fuck out of here.

4107
04:26:34,580 --> 04:26:35,180
First of all,

4108
04:26:35,180 --> 04:26:37,540
you look like me. You sound like an idiot.

4109
04:26:38,180 --> 04:26:39,180
You fucking...

4110
04:26:39,180 --> 04:26:42,760
Never

4111
04:26:42,760 --> 04:26:44,220
kind of asshole.

4112
04:26:45,360 --> 04:26:48,180
Yeah, because then you realize that you're a piece of shit.

4113
04:26:49,180 --> 04:26:50,700
You're like, damn, I don't really want to.

4114
04:26:52,560 --> 04:26:53,940
At least I'm when you have to deal with it.

4115
04:26:54,060 --> 04:26:59,720
You're like, I'm a good person, but if I have a clone, I'm going to be a piece of shit to them.

4116
04:27:01,500 --> 04:27:01,860
Yeah.

4117
04:27:02,560 --> 04:27:06,360
Or you end up liking it a little bit too much, if you get what I'm trying to say.

4118
04:27:07,540 --> 04:27:10,660
Bro, you ever seen that movie, like, The Island or whatever?

4119
04:27:10,660 --> 04:27:11,300
Don't make it weird.

4120
04:27:11,780 --> 04:27:12,280
Or Island.

4121
04:27:13,080 --> 04:27:13,440
Yeah.

4122
04:27:13,440 --> 04:27:18,020
I never seen that shit before

4123
04:27:18,020 --> 04:27:19,300
My girl showed it to me this weekend

4124
04:27:19,300 --> 04:27:22,260
Then it obviously threw me into Gattaca after that

4125
04:27:22,260 --> 04:27:23,400
And then some other shit after that

4126
04:27:23,400 --> 04:27:24,700
I've seen Gattaca

4127
04:27:24,700 --> 04:27:26,380
I didn't realize I already saw that

4128
04:27:26,380 --> 04:27:27,640
But that island shit bro

4129
04:27:27,640 --> 04:27:29,600
I was like how did I miss this one

4130
04:27:29,600 --> 04:27:30,820
This is great

4131
04:27:30,820 --> 04:27:32,900
I'm gonna show my name

4132
04:27:32,900 --> 04:27:33,440
It was good

4133
04:27:33,440 --> 04:27:36,060
Have any of you guys seen Multiplicity?

4134
04:27:37,860 --> 04:27:39,080
That sounds super familiar

4135
04:27:39,080 --> 04:27:40,060
But I don't recall

4136
04:27:40,060 --> 04:27:41,200
Save it

4137
04:27:41,200 --> 04:27:42,020
Is it good?

4138
04:27:42,440 --> 04:27:43,260
I'm assuming it's good

4139
04:27:43,260 --> 04:27:45,100
you mentioned. Awesome. Yeah, it's like the dude

4140
04:27:45,100 --> 04:27:47,320
keeps cloning himself and then he makes

4141
04:27:47,320 --> 04:27:49,180
a clone of a clone and he's

4142
04:27:49,180 --> 04:27:50,720
kind of like a retard and he's got to

4143
04:27:50,720 --> 04:27:53,260
give him a job and he like...

4144
04:27:53,260 --> 04:27:56,980
But it's pretty funny.

4145
04:27:57,260 --> 04:27:57,840
It's hilarious.

4146
04:27:59,740 --> 04:28:00,840
Is that multiplicity?

4147
04:28:01,760 --> 04:28:02,980
Yeah, multiplicity.

4148
04:28:03,220 --> 04:28:05,220
It's an old movie. It's a good

4149
04:28:05,220 --> 04:28:07,220
comedy. Dude

4150
04:28:07,220 --> 04:28:09,220
starts to clone himself because he's like, I can't be

4151
04:28:09,220 --> 04:28:11,140
everywhere. I can't be at work. I can't be with my wife.

4152
04:28:11,540 --> 04:28:13,080
I can't do all this shit. So he

4153
04:28:13,080 --> 04:28:15,180
makes the first clone he makes him go to work

4154
04:28:15,180 --> 04:28:17,160
and he's still busy and he's got to make another clone

4155
04:28:17,160 --> 04:28:19,120
and like he keeps copying the copies and they get

4156
04:28:19,120 --> 04:28:20,560
like dumber as they go you know

4157
04:28:20,560 --> 04:28:23,200
they all sleep

4158
04:28:23,200 --> 04:28:23,840
with his wife

4159
04:28:23,840 --> 04:28:28,860
that's literally like that's like

4160
04:28:28,860 --> 04:28:31,020
low key like kind of the AI

4161
04:28:31,020 --> 04:28:33,080
story that we might evolve into bro

4162
04:28:33,080 --> 04:28:35,120
like if you look at it from a certain

4163
04:28:35,120 --> 04:28:37,300
perspective yeah the world

4164
04:28:37,300 --> 04:28:39,660
somewhere a blend between like multiplicity

4165
04:28:39,660 --> 04:28:40,540
and idiocracy

4166
04:28:40,540 --> 04:28:42,500
dude

4167
04:28:42,500 --> 04:28:44,080
seriously

4168
04:28:44,080 --> 04:28:46,840
I'm watching this

4169
04:28:46,840 --> 04:28:48,000
multiplicity shit though

4170
04:28:48,000 --> 04:28:48,620
Idiocracy

4171
04:28:48,620 --> 04:28:49,120
yeah

4172
04:28:49,120 --> 04:28:50,000
they fucking

4173
04:28:50,000 --> 04:28:51,740
yeah

4174
04:28:51,740 --> 04:28:53,100
you know

4175
04:28:53,100 --> 04:28:54,280
it was pretty good

4176
04:28:54,280 --> 04:28:55,680
I liked it

4177
04:28:55,680 --> 04:28:56,600
dude

4178
04:28:56,600 --> 04:28:57,520
Idiocracy was like

4179
04:28:57,520 --> 04:28:58,340
a cult classic

4180
04:28:58,340 --> 04:28:59,200
people hated it

4181
04:28:59,200 --> 04:29:00,000
when it first came out

4182
04:29:00,000 --> 04:29:01,340
and that shit is so true

4183
04:29:01,340 --> 04:29:03,380
it's a fucking

4184
04:29:03,380 --> 04:29:04,340
documentary now

4185
04:29:04,340 --> 04:29:06,140
it is a documentary

4186
04:29:06,140 --> 04:29:06,440
dude

4187
04:29:06,440 --> 04:29:07,720
we got Macho Camacho

4188
04:29:07,720 --> 04:29:08,560
Randy Savage

4189
04:29:08,560 --> 04:29:09,360
is our president

4190
04:29:09,360 --> 04:29:09,680
shit

4191
04:29:09,680 --> 04:29:10,980
we're throwing UFC fights

4192
04:29:10,980 --> 04:29:11,860
and throwing the White House

4193
04:29:11,860 --> 04:29:12,200
like

4194
04:29:12,200 --> 04:29:15,220
We're pouring Rondo on the props.

4195
04:29:15,220 --> 04:29:15,940
I was like, finally.

4196
04:29:16,880 --> 04:29:17,600
Thank God.

4197
04:29:18,520 --> 04:29:18,840
Dude.

4198
04:29:21,840 --> 04:29:22,740
We're here.

4199
04:29:22,860 --> 04:29:23,720
We're here, finally.

4200
04:29:24,100 --> 04:29:24,740
We did it.

4201
04:29:26,460 --> 04:29:31,020
I'm super late to this, but, like, I watched it whenever it was on over the weekend.

4202
04:29:31,580 --> 04:29:37,880
Watching fucking Connor do that retarded-ass shit and blow his fucking knee out.

4203
04:29:38,500 --> 04:29:39,960
Oh, my God, bro.

4204
04:29:39,960 --> 04:29:42,100
Like, talk about anticlimactic, bro.

4205
04:29:42,100 --> 04:29:43,660
my dick went soft immediately.

4206
04:29:44,140 --> 04:29:46,060
I was like, what the fuck? It was already soft

4207
04:29:46,060 --> 04:29:47,040
and it went inwards.

4208
04:29:48,300 --> 04:29:48,540
Yep.

4209
04:29:50,580 --> 04:29:52,040
Yep. But, you know,

4210
04:29:52,280 --> 04:29:54,100
Patty the baddie got me feeling a type

4211
04:29:54,100 --> 04:29:54,500
of way.

4212
04:29:56,560 --> 04:29:56,960
Yep.

4213
04:29:59,420 --> 04:30:00,160
Can you hear me?

4214
04:30:00,600 --> 04:30:01,020
Yeah, yeah.

4215
04:30:01,020 --> 04:30:03,080
Yeah, bro.

4216
04:30:03,120 --> 04:30:04,340
I don't know why he threw that fucking

4217
04:30:04,340 --> 04:30:05,640
super kick.

4218
04:30:06,600 --> 04:30:08,960
And then, you know, there's the people that always

4219
04:30:08,960 --> 04:30:11,060
want things to be a conspiracy. They're like, oh, he was

4220
04:30:11,060 --> 04:30:15,900
injured before it's like he literally said he was and it was his left leg not his fucking right knee

4221
04:30:15,900 --> 04:30:22,300
that he landed on stupid yeah everyone's like oh look at him wobble out of the fucking slides he

4222
04:30:22,300 --> 04:30:27,180
was trying to shoes he was pulling off and what i'm like i watched that though and he that that's

4223
04:30:27,180 --> 04:30:34,300
just him like taking his shoes off and like not having good balance everyone everyone everyone

4224
04:30:34,300 --> 04:30:39,880
it's just everything's got to be a conspiracy nowadays because like powerful people are trying

4225
04:30:39,880 --> 04:30:41,540
because powerful people are trying to scam you.

4226
04:30:41,680 --> 04:30:44,500
It's like, I mean, maybe, but that's always been the case.

4227
04:30:45,300 --> 04:30:47,300
And it's like, I don't know.

4228
04:30:47,700 --> 04:30:49,640
Most of those people had money on the line.

4229
04:30:51,200 --> 04:30:51,640
Revolution!

4230
04:30:52,380 --> 04:30:53,400
That's what people love.

4231
04:30:54,280 --> 04:30:55,360
For the wrong reasons.

4232
04:30:56,560 --> 04:30:59,400
We need to go back to starting Revolutions from the bed, you know?

4233
04:30:59,540 --> 04:31:00,380
Shout out John Lennon.

4234
04:31:02,060 --> 04:31:04,500
But yeah, The Island, bro.

4235
04:31:04,840 --> 04:31:06,000
It's a trippy movie.

4236
04:31:06,100 --> 04:31:06,540
It's fun.

4237
04:31:06,700 --> 04:31:07,660
It's like a fun one to watch.

4238
04:31:07,660 --> 04:31:14,300
yeah my girl i watched it like in brazil with my grandma actually my girl tried to explain it to

4239
04:31:14,300 --> 04:31:21,560
me like beforehand and like dude she couldn't have been like more off on like her like synopsis

4240
04:31:21,560 --> 04:31:26,680
on like what it was about i was like bro she's like yeah no like their memories were erased and

4241
04:31:26,680 --> 04:31:30,500
then they were brought to the island and i was like that is not what happened like what are you

4242
04:31:30,500 --> 04:31:35,240
talking about that is not at all there were there clones that were grown yeah i'm like sitting there

4243
04:31:35,240 --> 04:31:36,560
Planted with fake memories.

4244
04:31:36,700 --> 04:31:39,240
I'm trying to take her synopsis of it

4245
04:31:39,240 --> 04:31:40,320
while I'm watching it,

4246
04:31:40,380 --> 04:31:41,880
and I'm trying to connect the dots.

4247
04:31:41,980 --> 04:31:44,420
I'm like, dude, whatever you told me makes no sense

4248
04:31:44,420 --> 04:31:47,540
because this is not what is happening here.

4249
04:31:47,680 --> 04:31:48,780
You watched a different movie.

4250
04:31:49,240 --> 04:31:52,880
We're harvesting fucking clones.

4251
04:31:53,160 --> 04:31:53,880
Oregon harvesting.

4252
04:31:55,100 --> 04:31:58,360
What's funny is that the story they told the clones

4253
04:31:58,360 --> 04:31:59,820
worked on your girl.

4254
04:32:00,960 --> 04:32:01,920
Literally, bro.

4255
04:32:01,920 --> 04:32:02,440
Literally.

4256
04:32:02,440 --> 04:32:02,720
Literally.

4257
04:32:04,220 --> 04:32:05,880
Yeah, she's like, yeah, I don't know what happens

4258
04:32:05,880 --> 04:32:07,040
when, like, they go to the island,

4259
04:32:07,160 --> 04:32:09,180
and I'm like, oh, my God, dude.

4260
04:32:09,280 --> 04:32:10,620
Like, Jesus Christ.

4261
04:32:10,900 --> 04:32:12,740
Like, you got me dying right now.

4262
04:32:13,340 --> 04:32:14,620
You would have never escaped, bro.

4263
04:32:14,640 --> 04:32:15,360
You would have been harvested.

4264
04:32:16,620 --> 04:32:18,440
I'm like, yeah, you would have been harvested.

4265
04:32:18,440 --> 04:32:20,420
Your ass would have been so harvested, bro.

4266
04:32:22,660 --> 04:32:23,940
No, so I was trying to say, though,

4267
04:32:23,960 --> 04:32:27,300
that it's actually based off the same premise

4268
04:32:27,300 --> 04:32:31,260
of an old movie from 76 called Logan's Run.

4269
04:32:32,440 --> 04:32:38,240
damn that's going way back bro i don't know if i can watch a movie from 76

4270
04:32:38,240 --> 04:32:41,700
no it's not it's i don't think it's the old one is very good

4271
04:32:41,700 --> 04:32:49,340
okay okay besides uh i liked how uh the island had like the matrix vibes at one point in the movie

4272
04:32:49,340 --> 04:32:54,920
where they got like a slow-mo and him like basically having like almost like a black leather

4273
04:32:54,920 --> 04:33:03,740
or like it or yeah what is that what is the black uh it was around that time too because

4274
04:33:03,740 --> 04:33:11,540
that came out 2005 and all the matrix movies were like 2001 2002 2003 yeah yeah or it's 1999 and

4275
04:33:11,540 --> 04:33:18,060
then 2002 and 2003 or something like that yeah that shit was so revolutionary when the matrix

4276
04:33:18,060 --> 04:33:25,040
came out people like whoa that was definitely like a time like like if you were to like get

4277
04:33:25,040 --> 04:33:29,580
teleported randomly to like a year and they didn't tell you what it was let's say it's 2001

4278
04:33:29,580 --> 04:33:34,000
you just like look around and catch a vibe and be like oh yeah this is the year matrix came out

4279
04:33:34,000 --> 04:33:39,620
like you know you just like see how like some people are dressed at the mall and shit and

4280
04:33:39,620 --> 04:33:44,620
you're like yeah okay like they just released matrix like yeah and everyone's got that like

4281
04:33:44,620 --> 04:33:51,860
that cool like oh time slows down the fucking things explode random teenagers at the moment

4282
04:33:51,860 --> 04:33:57,960
like yo do the matrix bro do the matrix and some guys like lean in back fucking but dude honestly

4283
04:33:57,960 --> 04:34:02,880
like lately bro i've mostly been just like trying to watch movies because i realized that like

4284
04:34:02,880 --> 04:34:09,500
netflix has like no good movies anymore because all their deals got pulled away because all the

4285
04:34:09,500 --> 04:34:14,840
other streaming services that like you know all those guys the old money got together and they're

4286
04:34:14,840 --> 04:34:19,140
like hey bro let's just run it up ourselves bro so they pulled all the good shit now all the good

4287
04:34:19,140 --> 04:34:24,080
shit's on the other platforms and i already paid for prime for like the shipping shit you know what

4288
04:34:24,080 --> 04:34:28,660
i mean so it's like you know i'm on amazon prime i'm like damn they got all these old ass movies

4289
04:34:28,660 --> 04:34:36,900
youtube's got like a bunch of fucking three old ass movies too and i'm like all honestly all the

4290
04:34:36,900 --> 04:34:42,980
movies before 2016 are like pretty watchable hilarious and like they have like that good but

4291
04:34:42,980 --> 04:34:48,860
after 2016 people just their brains melt their brains just melted i don't know what the fuck

4292
04:34:48,860 --> 04:34:53,280
happened it's very rare to find i mean i know i know i know what happened i just don't get why

4293
04:34:53,280 --> 04:34:59,940
yeah like and then and then why did i let it happen yeah and then everything just like just

4294
04:34:59,940 --> 04:35:04,720
progressively and then 2020 happened and then like just basically all movies fucking suck now

4295
04:35:04,720 --> 04:35:11,500
except for like very rare like sci-fi or like fantasy stuff that's just like so detached from

4296
04:35:11,500 --> 04:35:15,580
our reality that like if they were to try to do some kind of like weird political commentary

4297
04:35:15,580 --> 04:35:21,300
it would just like super be out of place you know what i mean which they still try to do sometimes

4298
04:35:21,300 --> 04:35:27,660
the horror movie what's that one that was like directed by a youtuber obsession that was really

4299
04:35:27,660 --> 04:35:34,240
good yeah yeah hopefully there's a comeback it's not like hollywood uh i feel like oh like that's

4300
04:35:34,240 --> 04:35:35,220
movie with like those

4301
04:35:35,220 --> 04:35:38,380
it was like a white director

4302
04:35:38,380 --> 04:35:40,100
or something right? Yeah the budget

4303
04:35:40,100 --> 04:35:42,380
was 300k and it was

4304
04:35:42,380 --> 04:35:44,380
top chart box office for like the

4305
04:35:44,380 --> 04:35:46,120
past three months. What was the name of that film?

4306
04:35:47,340 --> 04:35:47,860
Obsession.

4307
04:35:49,440 --> 04:35:50,720
So like Hollywood's

4308
04:35:50,720 --> 04:35:52,320
like Hollywood is

4309
04:35:52,320 --> 04:35:54,420
throwing 200 mil plus into every

4310
04:35:54,420 --> 04:35:56,540
movie and shitting out political slop

4311
04:35:56,540 --> 04:35:58,460
and if you're getting murdered by

4312
04:35:58,460 --> 04:36:00,240
300k

4313
04:36:00,240 --> 04:36:02,440
yeah exactly. If you're getting murdered by

4314
04:36:02,440 --> 04:36:04,120
a 300k movie dude

4315
04:36:04,120 --> 04:36:05,220
something's wrong.

4316
04:36:05,460 --> 04:36:07,460
94% on Rotten Tomatoes?

4317
04:36:07,600 --> 04:36:08,360
That's wild, bro.

4318
04:36:08,420 --> 04:36:09,300
This thing cooked.

4319
04:36:10,400 --> 04:36:11,580
It's a really good movie.

4320
04:36:11,980 --> 04:36:12,360
It did.

4321
04:36:13,260 --> 04:36:14,420
And the really big

4322
04:36:14,420 --> 04:36:16,180
Hollywood-based box office,

4323
04:36:16,260 --> 04:36:17,140
it's rare now, right?

4324
04:36:17,180 --> 04:36:18,020
You had Dune 2.

4325
04:36:18,780 --> 04:36:21,180
Dune 2 was kind of a banger, right?

4326
04:36:21,320 --> 04:36:21,520
Yeah.

4327
04:36:22,600 --> 04:36:24,620
Because a lot of the...

4328
04:36:24,620 --> 04:36:24,900
I don't know.

4329
04:36:24,940 --> 04:36:25,840
For me, with Dune 2,

4330
04:36:25,920 --> 04:36:27,440
it was the audio, right?

4331
04:36:27,480 --> 04:36:28,260
I was in theaters

4332
04:36:28,260 --> 04:36:29,320
and the big theater

4333
04:36:29,320 --> 04:36:31,260
with the good sound system and shit.

4334
04:36:31,900 --> 04:36:33,420
And the way they played

4335
04:36:33,420 --> 04:36:37,740
with like the sound and like the weird little sounds when those guys would hover and like the

4336
04:36:37,740 --> 04:36:43,260
weird voice and shit like that like it really added like a nice effect to to like the movie

4337
04:36:43,260 --> 04:36:50,220
even though it was like kind of like a slow burn um you know because dune one is like arguably ass

4338
04:36:51,100 --> 04:36:56,780
but then dune two very slow movie yeah yeah exactly but then whoa whoa whoa clipable moments

4339
04:36:56,780 --> 04:37:02,220
dune one wasn't total ass well hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna they both were i'm gonna redeem it i'm

4340
04:37:02,220 --> 04:37:02,740
I'm going to redeem him.

4341
04:37:02,800 --> 04:37:03,100
Hold on.

4342
04:37:03,640 --> 04:37:05,960
But Dune 2 is so good

4343
04:37:05,960 --> 04:37:09,740
that not having the workup from Dune 1

4344
04:37:09,740 --> 04:37:13,340
makes it so that Dune 2 makes Dune 1 really good too.

4345
04:37:13,420 --> 04:37:14,200
You get what I'm trying to say?

4346
04:37:15,460 --> 04:37:17,660
I totally get that.

4347
04:37:17,800 --> 04:37:19,040
I totally fucking agree.

4348
04:37:19,120 --> 04:37:19,940
I fuck with that.

4349
04:37:20,700 --> 04:37:25,680
They say Dune 3 is coming out December of this year.

4350
04:37:27,180 --> 04:37:28,660
Dune is for white people,

4351
04:37:28,820 --> 04:37:30,060
so I'm going to give you that one.

4352
04:37:30,120 --> 04:37:31,400
It 100% is.

4353
04:37:31,400 --> 04:37:34,760
My ex is the one that was like oh doom is such a great movie

4354
04:37:40,760 --> 04:37:46,840
Like the original dune have you seen that? Yeah, it's funny. No one's funny. No one's like almost like

4355
04:38:01,400 --> 04:38:03,220
though, then that movie is dumb.

4356
04:38:04,160 --> 04:38:05,220
No, well, let's get into it.

4357
04:38:05,300 --> 04:38:07,340
What kind of movies do you like, Baggs? Not even on

4358
04:38:07,340 --> 04:38:09,420
some hater shit. Just let's feel out your taste

4359
04:38:09,420 --> 04:38:10,780
here. Lord of War.

4360
04:38:11,520 --> 04:38:12,860
He likes, like, Rush Hour.

4361
04:38:15,460 --> 04:38:16,440
Lord of War is good.

4362
04:38:17,540 --> 04:38:18,760
Lord of War is a good movie.

4363
04:38:18,760 --> 04:38:20,300
What was that, Nicolas Cage?

4364
04:38:22,060 --> 04:38:23,040
Yup, yup, yup.

4365
04:38:23,420 --> 04:38:24,300
I like Shadows.

4366
04:38:24,640 --> 04:38:26,000
You like National Treasure?

4367
04:38:27,540 --> 04:38:28,540
I like National

4368
04:38:28,540 --> 04:38:29,280
Geographic.

4369
04:38:31,400 --> 04:38:37,040
actually Lord of War was a really good one

4370
04:38:37,040 --> 04:38:38,600
actually that's a great pull

4371
04:38:38,600 --> 04:38:39,420
it was

4372
04:38:39,420 --> 04:38:40,720
yeah that's a great pull

4373
04:38:40,720 --> 04:38:44,460
yeah okay

4374
04:38:44,460 --> 04:38:45,440
alright well then

4375
04:38:45,440 --> 04:38:48,460
yeah bro you good bro

4376
04:38:48,460 --> 04:38:49,580
you seen Shottas

4377
04:38:49,580 --> 04:38:52,280
I'm not

4378
04:38:52,280 --> 04:38:54,840
it's like the black Scarface

4379
04:38:54,840 --> 04:38:56,120
wait what's it called

4380
04:38:56,120 --> 04:38:58,880
Shottas

4381
04:38:58,880 --> 04:39:06,860
yeah s-h-o-t-t-a-s it's like jamaican shot us check it out that's your fire okay so it's like

4382
04:39:06,860 --> 04:39:12,280
like a jamaican guy saying shooters shot us man shot us but it's like a black scarface

4383
04:39:12,280 --> 04:39:17,560
what is basically scar base scarface but the black version oh it's like his name

4384
04:39:17,560 --> 04:39:24,720
no bro you know how scarface movie is yeah it's basically scarface but the

4385
04:39:24,720 --> 04:39:26,280
Bro, it literally looks like

4386
04:39:26,280 --> 04:39:27,560
Check it out, man

4387
04:39:27,560 --> 04:39:28,880
Check it out, Shadows

4388
04:39:28,880 --> 04:39:29,520
What is that word?

4389
04:39:29,700 --> 04:39:31,700
What is that word reference, though?

4390
04:39:31,820 --> 04:39:33,800
Is that like a word in Jamaican?

4391
04:39:34,060 --> 04:39:34,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah

4392
04:39:34,960 --> 04:39:35,860
Top Shadows

4393
04:39:35,860 --> 04:39:37,120
Like the top boss

4394
04:39:37,120 --> 04:39:38,080
Like the top man

4395
04:39:38,080 --> 04:39:39,100
Yeah, top Shadows

4396
04:39:39,100 --> 04:39:39,920
Oh, gotcha, gotcha

4397
04:39:39,920 --> 04:39:42,440
Bro, the cover for Shadows is hilarious

4398
04:39:42,440 --> 04:39:44,760
Because it looks literally like Bob Marley

4399
04:39:44,760 --> 04:39:45,760
But with like

4400
04:39:45,760 --> 04:39:46,820
Oh, that's his son

4401
04:39:46,820 --> 04:39:47,300
With a gun

4402
04:39:47,300 --> 04:39:47,840
That's his son

4403
04:39:47,840 --> 04:39:48,560
Oh, that's his son?

4404
04:39:48,660 --> 04:39:49,040
Oh, really?

4405
04:39:49,440 --> 04:39:50,920
Yeah, Kamani Marley is his son

4406
04:39:50,920 --> 04:39:51,300
Oh, bro

4407
04:39:51,300 --> 04:39:54,440
He's literally on the cover

4408
04:39:54,440 --> 04:39:56,360
it's got like roster colors, it's got the gun

4409
04:39:56,360 --> 04:39:58,160
holding up like, you know, like, bang

4410
04:39:58,160 --> 04:40:00,360
on a poppy type shit. That's hilarious.

4411
04:40:01,100 --> 04:40:01,720
Is there a shot as two?

4412
04:40:01,720 --> 04:40:04,440
You know, actually...

4413
04:40:04,960 --> 04:40:06,540
You said what?

4414
04:40:07,060 --> 04:40:08,000
Is there a shot as two?

4415
04:40:08,600 --> 04:40:10,240
No, it's only one, but it only

4416
04:40:10,240 --> 04:40:12,380
needs to be one. But check it

4417
04:40:12,380 --> 04:40:14,400
out. It's a good movie. It'll keep your

4418
04:40:14,400 --> 04:40:16,100
attention to the whole thing. It's fire.

4419
04:40:16,940 --> 04:40:17,380
Like, for real.

4420
04:40:17,380 --> 04:40:19,760
That's dope. Yeah, that's cool. You like Belly?

4421
04:40:20,900 --> 04:40:21,840
Yeah, Belly's alright.

4422
04:40:22,120 --> 04:40:23,200
Yeah, Belly's alright.

4423
04:40:23,200 --> 04:40:25,400
I've seen like two, three times.

4424
04:40:25,880 --> 04:40:26,540
It's not bad.

4425
04:40:27,800 --> 04:40:29,340
Dude, you know,

4426
04:40:29,520 --> 04:40:31,520
the whole history with some of

4427
04:40:31,520 --> 04:40:33,540
the drama and the Jamaican music

4428
04:40:33,540 --> 04:40:34,740
scene is super hilarious.

4429
04:40:35,420 --> 04:40:37,580
Specifically around Vibes Cartel and shit.

4430
04:40:38,440 --> 04:40:39,380
That shit is like, didn't he

4431
04:40:39,380 --> 04:40:41,300
go to jail for a little bit because he

4432
04:40:41,300 --> 04:40:42,680
killed somebody or some shit?

4433
04:40:42,920 --> 04:40:43,280
It's like

4434
04:40:43,280 --> 04:40:47,000
kind of crazy history there.

4435
04:40:49,020 --> 04:40:50,960
And then I think he got out recently too.

4436
04:40:50,960 --> 04:41:00,240
it's fine if you guys don't know anything about vibes cartel

4437
04:41:00,240 --> 04:41:09,360
damn shadows was came out in 02 so like that's during an era as well you know like yeah yeah

4438
04:41:09,360 --> 04:41:14,560
no it's an older movie now that's you can watch this movie like i can watch it right now

4439
04:41:14,560 --> 04:41:17,320
Yeah, my parents got their

4440
04:41:17,320 --> 04:41:17,540
VC box.

4441
04:41:17,540 --> 04:41:19,560
You can tell by the cover that it's...

4442
04:41:20,440 --> 04:41:22,140
It's like Scarface.

4443
04:41:22,240 --> 04:41:23,580
You know how you can watch Scarface

4444
04:41:23,580 --> 04:41:24,980
or blow like multiple times?

4445
04:41:25,080 --> 04:41:25,640
No problem.

4446
04:41:25,720 --> 04:41:26,300
It's like that.

4447
04:41:28,080 --> 04:41:28,700
Yeah, it's just cool.

4448
04:41:28,820 --> 04:41:29,600
Wait, Lil Bags,

4449
04:41:29,660 --> 04:41:31,020
were you the person that told me

4450
04:41:31,020 --> 04:41:33,020
originally about the VC box?

4451
04:41:35,420 --> 04:41:36,740
Where you can get all the movies?

4452
04:41:37,740 --> 04:41:38,540
I thought you were the one

4453
04:41:38,540 --> 04:41:39,280
that told me that shit.

4454
04:41:39,680 --> 04:41:40,260
Yeah, yeah.

4455
04:41:40,300 --> 04:41:41,240
He was the one who told you

4456
04:41:41,240 --> 04:41:42,680
about the VC box.

4457
04:41:42,940 --> 04:41:43,720
The free box.

4458
04:41:43,720 --> 04:41:44,460
The free movie.

4459
04:41:44,560 --> 04:41:45,860
the box.

4460
04:41:46,800 --> 04:41:48,240
Yeah, there's a bunch of them, though.

4461
04:41:48,860 --> 04:41:50,220
No, no, but like...

4462
04:41:50,220 --> 04:41:51,460
Everybody knows about them.

4463
04:41:51,480 --> 04:41:55,500
That's like the category of what it is.

4464
04:41:56,100 --> 04:41:56,440
Dude.

4465
04:41:58,180 --> 04:41:59,260
I'm going to call it right now.

4466
04:41:59,320 --> 04:42:00,660
Rotten Tomatoes is racist, bro,

4467
04:42:00,700 --> 04:42:02,600
because they gave Shada's fucking 18%.

4468
04:42:02,600 --> 04:42:04,420
Yo, that's crazy.

4469
04:42:05,860 --> 04:42:07,280
Yeah, they are racist.

4470
04:42:07,420 --> 04:42:08,180
They're also retarded.

4471
04:42:08,180 --> 04:42:10,500
I don't give a fuck what the ratings

4472
04:42:10,500 --> 04:42:11,880
websites say at all, to be honest.

4473
04:42:12,160 --> 04:42:14,040
No, some of my favorite movies I watched

4474
04:42:14,040 --> 04:42:19,880
literally have like the worst ratings ever yeah exactly yeah i'm also retarded yeah when a movie

4475
04:42:19,880 --> 04:42:25,640
gets like controversial the rating system like heavily diverges from like how good the movie is

4476
04:42:25,640 --> 04:42:30,280
sometimes you'll have like movies that are actually shit rated shit and movies that are

4477
04:42:30,280 --> 04:42:36,620
good rated good but a lot of movies just end up in this weird controversial state for no reason

4478
04:42:36,620 --> 04:42:47,560
yeah bro but that was a nice little era there bro like the early 2000s bro there was so much

4479
04:42:47,560 --> 04:42:52,300
cool shit that were like uh culturally defining moments that kind of came out

4480
04:42:52,300 --> 04:42:57,960
not even on like some like oh that was my day type shit when i was like young as fuck

4481
04:42:57,960 --> 04:43:04,180
just like actually you know what i mean well now now all the famous actors they just do like

4482
04:43:04,180 --> 04:43:05,780
prescription commercials.

4483
04:43:09,020 --> 04:43:10,040
Which is fire.

4484
04:43:11,480 --> 04:43:13,220
Every time I see a commercial,

4485
04:43:13,400 --> 04:43:14,780
it's like a super famous actor.

4486
04:43:15,060 --> 04:43:16,320
Selling prescriptions to old people.

4487
04:43:16,320 --> 04:43:18,540
Oh my damn, LA really be that cooked.

4488
04:43:21,020 --> 04:43:23,220
You gotta sell prescriptions to old people.

4489
04:43:23,580 --> 04:43:24,380
That's the new meta.

4490
04:43:25,420 --> 04:43:27,680
We're in boomer communism

4491
04:43:27,680 --> 04:43:29,940
where we give all our money to old people.

4492
04:43:32,260 --> 04:43:33,480
Dude, you first, bro.

4493
04:43:34,180 --> 04:43:35,360
We already do.

4494
04:43:35,560 --> 04:43:37,000
It comes out of your paycheck, man.

4495
04:43:37,660 --> 04:43:38,700
Whether you like it or not.

4496
04:43:39,220 --> 04:43:39,920
Yeah, that's a good point.

4497
04:43:40,920 --> 04:43:42,920
We already live in it.

4498
04:43:43,680 --> 04:43:44,580
Boomer communism.

4499
04:44:04,180 --> 04:44:34,160
Thank you.

4500
04:44:34,180 --> 04:44:34,680
Yeah.

4501
04:45:04,180 --> 04:45:05,440
I knew it, bro.

4502
04:45:07,860 --> 04:45:08,900
What you know?

4503
04:45:09,320 --> 04:45:09,820
Everything.

4504
04:45:11,560 --> 04:45:12,040
Good.

4505
04:45:16,440 --> 04:45:18,200
What's up, Cardano community?

4506
04:45:18,760 --> 04:45:19,300
No.

4507
04:45:19,600 --> 04:45:19,900
No.

4508
04:45:21,740 --> 04:45:22,460
No.

4509
04:45:23,240 --> 04:45:23,540
No.

4510
04:45:23,540 --> 04:45:23,720
No.

4511
04:45:30,580 --> 04:45:32,560
Hey, Charles didn't hear for a good minute, though.

4512
04:45:32,560 --> 04:45:34,860
I saw my favorite

4513
04:45:34,860 --> 04:45:36,480
influencer Big Bags in here

4514
04:45:36,480 --> 04:45:38,760
so I had to stop by and see what's up

4515
04:45:38,760 --> 04:45:40,200
Bags is Big Chum

4516
04:45:40,200 --> 04:45:42,040
he's putting us on in some good movies

4517
04:45:42,040 --> 04:45:43,460
you know what I mean

4518
04:45:43,460 --> 04:45:52,320
I didn't even hear what he said

4519
04:45:52,320 --> 04:45:53,560
but I know that shit was funny

4520
04:45:53,560 --> 04:45:56,500
yeah just some hoorahing

4521
04:45:56,500 --> 04:45:57,020
you know what I mean

4522
04:45:57,020 --> 04:46:02,060
keep the faith type of stuff

4523
04:46:02,060 --> 04:46:04,820
The black dude, he didn't understand

4524
04:46:04,820 --> 04:46:06,480
it, just say he wanted marketing

4525
04:46:06,480 --> 04:46:08,180
because he needs the price to go up.

4526
04:46:09,480 --> 04:46:10,680
That's what I was going to come

4527
04:46:10,680 --> 04:46:12,620
and tell Charles. He just wants the

4528
04:46:12,620 --> 04:46:14,200
price to go up, man. That's all he wants.

4529
04:46:14,580 --> 04:46:16,820
Charles asking him all them trivia questions

4530
04:46:16,820 --> 04:46:18,700
and whatnot. The African dude

4531
04:46:18,700 --> 04:46:20,960
was like, I just want the price to go up.

4532
04:46:21,180 --> 04:46:22,900
That was all he needed to say.

4533
04:46:23,300 --> 04:46:24,320
No, no. It was a good

4534
04:46:24,320 --> 04:46:25,860
sample.

4535
04:46:26,380 --> 04:46:28,480
Low-key, that dude annoys the fuck out of me.

4536
04:46:30,020 --> 04:46:30,680
Yeah, he just

4537
04:46:30,680 --> 04:46:31,820
wants the number to go up.

4538
04:46:33,620 --> 04:46:35,120
Yeah, you want a number to go up?

4539
04:46:35,460 --> 04:46:36,920
Then say TPAT,

4540
04:46:37,020 --> 04:46:39,020
invest. And I'm like, ah, I'll think

4541
04:46:39,020 --> 04:46:39,560
about it.

4542
04:46:43,400 --> 04:46:44,320
That's so...

4543
04:46:44,320 --> 04:46:46,920
He said that African, dude. That's so funny,

4544
04:46:47,020 --> 04:46:47,220
man.

4545
04:46:48,920 --> 04:46:49,660
The, uh...

4546
04:46:49,660 --> 04:46:52,680
No, I know, I know. It's just,

4547
04:46:52,820 --> 04:46:53,780
um...

4548
04:46:53,780 --> 04:46:56,400
The worst of the worst.

4549
04:46:57,320 --> 04:46:58,860
I just, like, I love the,

4550
04:46:58,940 --> 04:47:00,220
uh, I love, like, the

4551
04:47:00,220 --> 04:47:04,860
the difference between like the foundational black American and then like

4552
04:47:04,860 --> 04:47:05,540
the African.

4553
04:47:05,940 --> 04:47:06,560
It's like,

4554
04:47:06,560 --> 04:47:07,360
cause it is different.

4555
04:47:07,440 --> 04:47:08,860
They don't even fuck with each other.

4556
04:47:08,900 --> 04:47:09,180
Yeah.

4557
04:47:10,580 --> 04:47:11,020
Yeah.

4558
04:47:11,020 --> 04:47:11,800
They hate each other.

4559
04:47:12,180 --> 04:47:12,940
I wouldn't say hate.

4560
04:47:14,320 --> 04:47:15,080
I would,

4561
04:47:15,280 --> 04:47:17,900
I saw that shit for the first time in basic training,

4562
04:47:18,000 --> 04:47:18,160
bro.

4563
04:47:18,620 --> 04:47:22,540
The standard African American and the African in the same barracks room.

4564
04:47:22,840 --> 04:47:23,920
That shit was lit.

4565
04:47:24,320 --> 04:47:24,680
Yeah.

4566
04:47:24,800 --> 04:47:25,040
Yeah.

4567
04:47:25,040 --> 04:47:27,760
I believe the modern term is foundational black American,

4568
04:47:27,920 --> 04:47:29,380
but I'm happy to be corrected.

4569
04:47:30,220 --> 04:47:32,400
Oh sure dude whatever

4570
04:47:32,400 --> 04:47:34,380
I'm just messing with you

4571
04:47:34,380 --> 04:47:37,320
What are you about to say Bags?

4572
04:47:39,420 --> 04:47:41,560
I just said the African American

4573
04:47:41,560 --> 04:47:42,800
don't like the African

4574
04:47:42,800 --> 04:47:44,080
or the

4575
04:47:44,080 --> 04:47:47,300
the African don't like the African American

4576
04:47:47,300 --> 04:47:49,360
Yes

4577
04:47:49,360 --> 04:47:51,740
Oh I see what you mean

4578
04:47:51,740 --> 04:47:54,260
They say us African Americans

4579
04:47:54,260 --> 04:47:55,700
don't take care of our kids

4580
04:47:55,700 --> 04:47:57,720
but they got multiple wives

4581
04:47:57,720 --> 04:47:58,680
and multiple kids

4582
04:47:58,680 --> 04:48:00,120
man, it's dumb.

4583
04:48:03,160 --> 04:48:04,980
There seems to be a peace, though,

4584
04:48:05,020 --> 04:48:07,520
between the black Americans

4585
04:48:07,520 --> 04:48:09,720
and, like, Jamaicans and Haitians, though, yeah?

4586
04:48:11,240 --> 04:48:12,800
I mean, I ain't gonna say all that.

4587
04:48:13,100 --> 04:48:14,720
It just...

4588
04:48:14,720 --> 04:48:16,660
It's still segregated,

4589
04:48:16,880 --> 04:48:18,140
but, I mean, you know,

4590
04:48:18,240 --> 04:48:20,700
you just don't see the part sides of things

4591
04:48:20,700 --> 04:48:21,640
that everybody else see.

4592
04:48:22,000 --> 04:48:22,960
It's like, they gonna be cool.

4593
04:48:23,020 --> 04:48:23,920
Yeah, I'm gonna...

4594
04:48:23,920 --> 04:48:26,020
Yeah, it makes sense.

4595
04:48:27,260 --> 04:48:28,560
I'm gonna be honest.

4596
04:48:28,680 --> 04:48:33,080
I'm not racist, but if I was ever going to be, it would probably be against Jamaican people, bro.

4597
04:48:33,660 --> 04:48:34,420
I'm just going to be honest.

4598
04:48:34,980 --> 04:48:36,660
Well, you don't like yourself no jerk chicken?

4599
04:48:37,780 --> 04:48:40,600
Jamaican people definitely don't like white people.

4600
04:48:40,960 --> 04:48:42,480
But I talked to Jamaican people.

4601
04:48:42,960 --> 04:48:45,220
I'll tell you why.

4602
04:48:45,400 --> 04:48:49,020
Because I talked to one in Jamaica, and it was because he was like,

4603
04:48:49,360 --> 04:48:56,000
dude, when white people come around, he was like, they act like we super poor or something like that.

4604
04:48:56,000 --> 04:48:57,640
And they'd be like, you want a dollar? You want a dollar?

4605
04:48:57,640 --> 04:48:59,700
like they're a damn monkey or some shit like that.

4606
04:49:00,060 --> 04:49:01,580
And they don't like that shit.

4607
04:49:01,640 --> 04:49:03,300
He's like, they just normal people.

4608
04:49:03,360 --> 04:49:05,900
He's like, we actually enjoy our lives out here.

4609
04:49:06,280 --> 04:49:08,900
And you know how when white Americans go to Jamaica,

4610
04:49:08,900 --> 04:49:12,180
they be like, thank their dollars so strong.

4611
04:49:12,440 --> 04:49:14,780
And like, oh, a Jamaican just want our dollars and shit.

4612
04:49:14,920 --> 04:49:16,600
So that's why they don't respect them.

4613
04:49:16,980 --> 04:49:18,600
Because they, yeah, that right there.

4614
04:49:18,760 --> 04:49:20,800
You just got to treat them like people and they be cool.

4615
04:49:21,540 --> 04:49:23,600
Yeah, from my experience, the Jamaicans are quite proud.

4616
04:49:23,840 --> 04:49:26,720
And, you know, I think they're the majority in Jamaica.

4617
04:49:26,720 --> 04:49:29,040
so they own most of the businesses and all that, right?

4618
04:49:29,660 --> 04:49:31,220
The people making money out there.

4619
04:49:31,220 --> 04:49:32,000
They chill.

4620
04:49:32,540 --> 04:49:33,360
They super chill.

4621
04:49:33,640 --> 04:49:34,480
They super chill.

4622
04:49:34,960 --> 04:49:40,900
I was kind of thinking Jamaicans are like violent motherfuckers, bro,

4623
04:49:40,940 --> 04:49:41,560
to be honest with you.

4624
04:49:41,560 --> 04:49:42,040
They can be.

4625
04:49:43,260 --> 04:49:45,600
Actually, Jamaican really chill, bro.

4626
04:49:45,780 --> 04:49:47,220
They smoke a lot of weed.

4627
04:49:47,360 --> 04:49:48,340
They own some respect.

4628
04:49:48,680 --> 04:49:51,020
Like, all they be like, respect, man, respect, man.

4629
04:49:51,120 --> 04:49:52,620
They say that shit all the damn day.

4630
04:49:52,620 --> 04:50:00,980
and then uh yeah i mean no dude no bro no i mean you got violent people in every race but they

4631
04:50:00,980 --> 04:50:07,840
ain't yeah exactly yeah there's more than one kind right you have a wide variety of them right

4632
04:50:07,840 --> 04:50:14,660
this is quite a quite a lot of them in florida because of the proximity right we uh we have a

4633
04:50:14,660 --> 04:50:20,720
bunch of jamaicans and a lot of haitians running into them because i mean in florida it's only a

4634
04:50:20,720 --> 04:50:24,820
A few of them, so they kind of trying to, like, compete with the majority.

4635
04:50:25,140 --> 04:50:28,800
So if you're around, like, the ones where they hustling and all that type of junk,

4636
04:50:28,820 --> 04:50:30,140
then, I mean, yeah, they ain't friendly.

4637
04:50:30,400 --> 04:50:33,120
But, I mean, you're average Jamaican friendly.

4638
04:50:33,920 --> 04:50:39,080
Well, all I know now is when everybody's gloves and socks and underwear went missing,

4639
04:50:39,580 --> 04:50:42,380
fucking the Jamaicans were running a fucking store in basic training.

4640
04:50:42,480 --> 04:50:43,180
That's so funny.

4641
04:50:43,540 --> 04:50:43,900
That's all.

4642
04:50:43,900 --> 04:50:49,120
We have, I don't know why, but I think more Jamaicans end up in New York than Florida somehow.

4643
04:50:49,320 --> 04:50:50,680
Kind of like the Puerto Rican thing, right?

4644
04:50:50,720 --> 04:50:52,320
More Puerto Ricans end up in New York than Florida.

4645
04:50:52,760 --> 04:50:56,420
But we do have way more Haitians, I think, than anywhere else.

4646
04:50:58,180 --> 04:51:02,540
And so here, right, in Florida, if you see a black person,

4647
04:51:02,680 --> 04:51:04,460
sometimes they'll just be like, oh, I'm Haitian.

4648
04:51:04,700 --> 04:51:06,460
Like, my parents were born in Haiti, right?

4649
04:51:06,520 --> 04:51:07,200
Oh, I'm Jamaican.

4650
04:51:07,260 --> 04:51:08,400
My parents were born in Jamaica.

4651
04:51:09,220 --> 04:51:12,960
And you have actually a lot less of, like, the ones that were like,

4652
04:51:13,000 --> 04:51:15,840
oh, no, my parents have been here for years, years.

4653
04:51:15,940 --> 04:51:16,380
You know what I mean?

4654
04:51:17,080 --> 04:51:20,160
So it's kind of all mixed up here.

4655
04:51:20,160 --> 04:51:25,280
you've uh it kind of just all intermingles a little bit really the haitians are the dominant

4656
04:51:25,280 --> 04:51:32,720
uh i think here in florida to be honest um almost oh yeah and so in florida you hardly see any

4657
04:51:32,720 --> 04:51:37,920
haitians once you get above like orlando yeah well yeah i'm talking about south florida

4658
04:51:37,920 --> 04:51:44,240
specifically because like if i ever if i look back i think almost all of like the black kids

4659
04:51:44,240 --> 04:51:45,480
I knew in high school

4660
04:51:45,480 --> 04:51:47,120
claimed to be Haitian

4661
04:51:47,120 --> 04:51:48,680
of some kind.

4662
04:51:48,680 --> 04:51:50,340
Yeah, that's because y'all had Zopal, man.

4663
04:51:51,000 --> 04:51:51,480
Zopal.

4664
04:51:51,480 --> 04:51:51,720
Yeah, exactly.

4665
04:51:52,840 --> 04:51:53,720
Yeah, exactly.

4666
04:51:54,520 --> 04:51:55,020
I have.

4667
04:51:55,300 --> 04:51:56,800
I got a homeboy for a lot of them.

4668
04:51:56,800 --> 04:51:58,020
He know a lot of them motherfuckers.

4669
04:51:59,240 --> 04:51:59,640
Yeah.

4670
04:52:00,000 --> 04:52:01,440
Yeah, there's a lot of Haitians down here.

4671
04:52:02,240 --> 04:52:02,800
They're cool, though.

4672
04:52:02,980 --> 04:52:03,460
I got a friend.

4673
04:52:03,640 --> 04:52:04,000
He's...

4674
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:06,540
They have some interesting food.

4675
04:52:07,580 --> 04:52:08,120
Yeah, they do.

4676
04:52:08,260 --> 04:52:10,260
They eat shrimp with the shell on, though,

4677
04:52:10,360 --> 04:52:11,880
which kind of freaks me out.

4678
04:52:11,880 --> 04:52:18,000
But I don't know if that's like them or like that's just what this one dude's mom did and put him on.

4679
04:52:18,000 --> 04:52:20,840
Because we were doing like a little like he was doing like a fish fry.

4680
04:52:20,840 --> 04:52:21,880
He went to his crib.

4681
04:52:21,880 --> 04:52:22,840
I think it was my birthday actually.

4682
04:52:22,840 --> 04:52:23,840
He did that.

4683
04:52:23,840 --> 04:52:27,800
And then like I was like, bro, you eat the shrimp with the shell on?

4684
04:52:27,800 --> 04:52:28,800
He's like, yeah, bro.

4685
04:52:28,800 --> 04:52:30,800
I'm like, fucking crazy, dude.

4686
04:52:30,800 --> 04:52:33,800
I was saying it all digested.

4687
04:52:38,800 --> 04:52:40,800
That's too much for me, bro.

4688
04:52:40,800 --> 04:52:41,800
I'm with you.

4689
04:52:41,800 --> 04:52:48,560
What's your experience with the Dominican Republic people?

4690
04:52:49,220 --> 04:52:50,820
Again, that's one of those situations.

4691
04:52:50,960 --> 04:52:55,600
There's more people from the VR in New York than in South Florida, surprisingly.

4692
04:52:56,600 --> 04:53:00,400
But I had several friends that were Dominican in high school.

4693
04:53:00,400 --> 04:53:02,800
And they were funny and chill.

4694
04:53:04,320 --> 04:53:05,320
You know what I mean?

4695
04:53:06,440 --> 04:53:09,540
They fancied themselves as hoodlums, but that was by choice.

4696
04:53:09,540 --> 04:53:18,720
not necessarily by like economic background um so you know some people just choose to like

4697
04:53:18,720 --> 04:53:23,020
wear that character when they like don't necessarily come from that background if that

4698
04:53:23,020 --> 04:53:37,640
makes sense but they're funny too they they they they got their own little cultural quirks and

4699
04:53:37,640 --> 04:53:41,520
amongst all of the Spanish speakers, they have some pretty hilarious ways of speaking.

4700
04:53:41,660 --> 04:53:43,040
So everyone else that speaks Spanish,

4701
04:53:43,040 --> 04:53:47,080
kind of thinks the way they talk is kind of cool.

4702
04:53:48,260 --> 04:53:52,300
They have their own slang and stuff like that.

4703
04:53:53,380 --> 04:53:54,820
So it's very easy to spot them.

4704
04:53:54,940 --> 04:53:56,500
The second they start speaking Spanish, you're like,

4705
04:53:56,560 --> 04:53:57,720
okay, that's a Dominican man.

4706
04:53:58,880 --> 04:53:59,480
For sure.

4707
04:54:07,640 --> 04:54:14,360
Did I rug?

4708
04:54:15,640 --> 04:54:16,080
Nah.

4709
04:54:16,460 --> 04:54:17,160
So, uh, nah.

4710
04:54:18,160 --> 04:54:22,040
Has the Mergo fucking put up the heavy heart fucking statement yet,

4711
04:54:22,080 --> 04:54:23,120
or has that not happened yet?

4712
04:54:33,000 --> 04:54:34,560
Let's put up the purple heart.

4713
04:54:34,560 --> 04:54:38,560
the purple art

4714
04:54:38,560 --> 04:54:40,340
nah I'm just making sure

4715
04:54:40,340 --> 04:54:45,080
no I'm just assuming any day

4716
04:54:45,080 --> 04:54:45,740
now they're going to

4717
04:54:45,740 --> 04:54:49,020
eventually announce that they're

4718
04:54:49,020 --> 04:54:51,140
permanently fucking leaving the ecosystem

4719
04:54:51,140 --> 04:54:52,460
and their farewells

4720
04:54:52,460 --> 04:54:58,400
I guess that hasn't happened yet

4721
04:54:58,400 --> 04:55:01,240
I don't know

4722
04:55:01,240 --> 04:55:03,380
if they would just simply because they still

4723
04:55:03,380 --> 04:55:10,020
You don't have a boatload more money here than what the hack's worth.

4724
04:55:13,680 --> 04:55:16,240
Y'all seen fucking Spain beat France, bro?

4725
04:55:18,800 --> 04:55:19,800
Thank God.

4726
04:55:22,760 --> 04:55:23,540
Hell yeah.

4727
04:55:24,220 --> 04:55:25,060
Fuck the French.

4728
04:55:28,480 --> 04:55:29,580
I agree with that.

4729
04:55:29,600 --> 04:55:30,980
It's time for Argentina to win.

4730
04:55:33,380 --> 04:55:35,580
France isn't even France.

4731
04:55:35,740 --> 04:55:37,040
They do got some bad news.

4732
04:55:37,120 --> 04:55:38,200
What is a French...

4733
04:55:38,200 --> 04:55:41,300
What is a French citizen in

4734
04:55:41,300 --> 04:55:43,360
2026, bro?

4735
04:55:46,520 --> 04:55:47,380
No, for real.

4736
04:55:47,460 --> 04:55:49,460
What is a French citizen, bro? Does that even

4737
04:55:49,460 --> 04:55:49,920
exist?

4738
04:55:52,840 --> 04:55:53,320
Technically,

4739
04:55:53,600 --> 04:55:54,080
yes.

4740
04:55:56,320 --> 04:55:56,580
Yeah.

4741
04:55:58,400 --> 04:55:59,580
I know the last time

4742
04:55:59,580 --> 04:56:01,020
I was in France, dude, it was

4743
04:56:01,020 --> 04:56:03,660
like Baghdad and fucking Pakistan.

4744
04:56:04,080 --> 04:56:05,720
They still have a strong language culture.

4745
04:56:07,080 --> 04:56:08,960
Well, so, I mean, in general,

4746
04:56:09,220 --> 04:56:12,380
like kind of before the Arabization of modern France,

4747
04:56:12,440 --> 04:56:12,960
you could say,

4748
04:56:13,720 --> 04:56:17,120
the caliphate did try to make its way into France.

4749
04:56:17,200 --> 04:56:18,600
They only got as far as Spain,

4750
04:56:19,160 --> 04:56:20,320
tried to get into France.

4751
04:56:20,360 --> 04:56:21,360
It didn't really work out.

4752
04:56:21,360 --> 04:56:25,760
So there was like an actual military attempt in the past.

4753
04:56:26,580 --> 04:56:27,840
And then even then, right,

4754
04:56:27,880 --> 04:56:30,960
the modern territory that we call France

4755
04:56:30,960 --> 04:56:37,520
today has been under different sections of it have been controlled by different people

4756
04:56:37,520 --> 04:56:43,420
endlessly right like you had parts that kind of more belonged to Spain huge chunks of it that

4757
04:56:43,420 --> 04:56:50,120
belonged to England at some point the entire area before you know the western Roman Empire kind of

4758
04:56:50,920 --> 04:56:59,000
fell not even fell but like slowly kind of withered away was all like Celtic people the

4759
04:56:59,000 --> 04:57:09,180
Latenne culture, they call it, which is like what you when you think of Celtic, you're thinking of the Latenne because they had like the most shit preserved for like archaeologists to find.

4760
04:57:10,400 --> 04:57:16,940
So, I mean, the landmass that is known as France today has belonged to all kinds of people throughout history.

4761
04:57:16,940 --> 04:57:20,560
So it is what it is in some sense.

4762
04:57:20,560 --> 04:57:30,680
hey lucas uh was it the queen of spain like all the muslims have a week to leave or like

4763
04:57:30,680 --> 04:57:37,420
killing all of you it would no it didn't work like that like like that's like a a cute kind of like

4764
04:57:37,420 --> 04:57:44,180
summarization of what was like a nearly hundred year uh campaign known as the reconquista

4765
04:57:44,180 --> 04:57:50,760
which the leadership changed multiple hands throughout the entire process.

4766
04:57:51,060 --> 04:57:56,060
There was a final culminating event where they won the last critical battle,

4767
04:57:56,300 --> 04:58:00,000
but it started off in the north of the Iberian Peninsula

4768
04:58:00,000 --> 04:58:06,680
and they slowly fought their way south and reconquered the land, so to speak.

4769
04:58:08,680 --> 04:58:11,860
The Romans owned it, basically.

4770
04:58:11,860 --> 04:58:16,220
and then as the Romans came into contact

4771
04:58:16,220 --> 04:58:18,400
continuously with various Germanic tribes,

4772
04:58:18,500 --> 04:58:20,040
there was intermixing that happened.

4773
04:58:22,520 --> 04:58:25,640
The Germans are a bunch of mongrelized people

4774
04:58:25,640 --> 04:58:26,640
just like everybody else.

4775
04:58:26,780 --> 04:58:28,240
Germans mixed with Celts.

4776
04:58:28,960 --> 04:58:31,840
Even the modern notion of a German makes no sense.

4777
04:58:31,980 --> 04:58:32,840
You have different kinds.

4778
04:58:33,000 --> 04:58:35,100
You have Bavarians, you have Prussians,

4779
04:58:35,100 --> 04:58:38,880
you have Swabia, or Sweeby,

4780
04:58:38,980 --> 04:58:39,860
whatever the fuck you call them.

4781
04:58:40,100 --> 04:58:41,260
There's all these different kinds

4782
04:58:41,260 --> 04:58:45,040
And they were never under one kind of territory anyways, but whatever, right?

4783
04:58:45,080 --> 04:58:49,260
There was different tribes that shared this kind of like common religion and like language

4784
04:58:49,260 --> 04:58:53,260
that we refer to as Germanics, generally speaking.

4785
04:58:53,780 --> 04:58:58,140
And they had contact along multiple points of like the frontier of the Roman Empire.

4786
04:58:59,100 --> 04:59:03,700
And then the Romans would even take some of these and like raise them and like make them

4787
04:59:03,700 --> 04:59:06,480
generals or leaders of legions along the frontier.

4788
04:59:07,080 --> 04:59:11,180
And sometimes some of those tribes would team up with the Romans to fight other ones of those

4789
04:59:11,180 --> 04:59:18,480
tribes. So any notion of a unified identity and like blood and soil related loyalty is just

4790
04:59:18,480 --> 04:59:25,160
historically inaccurate, right? So complete fabrication by the Nazis. And so in any case,

4791
04:59:25,420 --> 04:59:31,840
as, you know, years went by, right, along the frontier, there was this kind of like,

4792
04:59:32,160 --> 04:59:36,760
you know, mixing that happened. And eventually you had people of Germanic descent that sort of

4793
04:59:36,760 --> 04:59:42,360
had reasonable positions of power and leaders of certain tribes. And once they moved the capital

4794
04:59:42,360 --> 04:59:50,440
of Rome to the east, which is the eastern part of the Roman Empire, sometimes historians refer

4795
04:59:50,440 --> 04:59:56,260
to it as the Byzantine Empire, but it is a direct continuation of the Roman government and state.

4796
04:59:57,080 --> 05:00:03,160
So the term Byzantine is just a cute reference for a particular period of the entire history

4797
05:00:03,160 --> 05:00:04,020
of the Roman Empire.

4798
05:00:04,580 --> 05:00:06,220
And it's mostly because the West was broke

4799
05:00:06,220 --> 05:00:07,780
and all the money was coming from the East.

4800
05:00:08,220 --> 05:00:09,780
And also they became Christian

4801
05:00:09,780 --> 05:00:12,720
and all of the aristocrats

4802
05:00:12,720 --> 05:00:15,440
in the Italian peninsula and Rome

4803
05:00:15,440 --> 05:00:17,400
were all still like pagans.

4804
05:00:18,160 --> 05:00:20,620
And the king did not like,

4805
05:00:20,700 --> 05:00:22,240
or the emperor didn't trust

4806
05:00:22,240 --> 05:00:23,780
these weasley pagans

4807
05:00:23,780 --> 05:00:27,060
that didn't submit to Christianity.

4808
05:00:27,220 --> 05:00:28,060
So he's like, fuck this.

4809
05:00:28,220 --> 05:00:31,600
I'm moving the capital to the Greek side

4810
05:00:31,600 --> 05:00:32,560
where all the bread is at.

4811
05:00:32,560 --> 05:00:44,080
And he basically just like, it kind of just like economically and socially abandoned the Western side, which was like the Italian peninsula, Spain, France, Portugal, and all that shit, right?

4812
05:00:44,380 --> 05:00:55,220
And so basically a bunch of Roman tribes after like 100, 200 years of this abandonment in a sense, sort of slowly started kind of encroaching on the territory and taking over it, right?

4813
05:00:55,220 --> 05:01:00,340
And so when they really no longer were able to keep control of England,

4814
05:01:01,060 --> 05:01:04,280
the Angles and the Saxons, this is why we call it England, right?

4815
05:01:04,340 --> 05:01:04,860
Angleland.

4816
05:01:05,540 --> 05:01:10,120
The Angles and the Saxons along kind of where the Netherlands

4817
05:01:10,120 --> 05:01:14,220
and northern Germany is, they went over by boats and took over that ship.

4818
05:01:14,220 --> 05:01:18,160
And then basically just purged the native Britons all the way to Wales.

4819
05:01:18,440 --> 05:01:23,700
This is why I always clown L for being an ethnic minority because he's Welsh.

4820
05:01:23,700 --> 05:01:39,360
And then the Visigoths, they went all the way far into the former territories of the Roman Empire and took over Spain and the Iberian Peninsula almost in its entirety.

4821
05:01:40,040 --> 05:01:48,420
Another tribe called the Lombards, you may have heard of Lombardy, Italy, they took over a nice chunk of northern Italy.

4822
05:01:48,420 --> 05:01:55,620
okay uh and then uh the visigoths effectively uh just kind of disappeared because you know the

4823
05:01:55,620 --> 05:02:02,500
caliphate came and took over uh and the the caliphate basically came from arabia and like

4824
05:02:02,500 --> 05:02:08,500
the levant the levant for people not savvy with the terminology is basically like syria israel jordan

4825
05:02:09,380 --> 05:02:14,380
uh uh like that little corner of the eastern mediterranean sea all the way to the east right

4826
05:02:14,380 --> 05:02:17,740
they came through to North Africa.

4827
05:02:17,940 --> 05:02:19,300
North Africa to this day

4828
05:02:19,300 --> 05:02:22,500
is known as the African part of the Arab world.

4829
05:02:22,620 --> 05:02:24,760
And the term for that is called Maghreb or Maghreb.

4830
05:02:25,560 --> 05:02:29,800
And so then if you look at how close Spain is to Morocco,

4831
05:02:30,700 --> 05:02:32,900
you have the Strait of Gibraltar,

4832
05:02:33,280 --> 05:02:34,340
which is not that much.

4833
05:02:34,420 --> 05:02:36,340
It's very, very small, the Strait of Gibraltar.

4834
05:02:36,340 --> 05:02:38,720
So they just crossed the Strait of Gibraltar,

4835
05:02:39,080 --> 05:02:41,720
the Umilad, some shit like that.

4836
05:02:41,800 --> 05:02:43,200
I forget how to pronounce it, Caliphate,

4837
05:02:43,200 --> 05:02:46,200
just crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and just took over all of Spain.

4838
05:02:46,780 --> 05:02:48,740
That was the end of the Visigoths, basically.

4839
05:02:49,700 --> 05:02:52,860
And then a mild attempt to kind of get into Spain,

4840
05:02:52,940 --> 05:02:57,820
but it becomes hard because the passageways through the Pyrenees mountains there

4841
05:02:57,820 --> 05:03:00,960
that separate Spain and France, I don't think there's very many.

4842
05:03:00,960 --> 05:03:04,920
So you have this mountainous region that kind of separates Spain and France.

4843
05:03:05,620 --> 05:03:08,320
Mountains are always kind of a hurdle when you're trying to conquer other people.

4844
05:03:08,320 --> 05:03:15,460
right? And so, yeah, I don't think there was like one queen that said like, you all need to leave

4845
05:03:15,460 --> 05:03:21,780
in a week. But there is a history with this kind of conflict, right? Where, you know, you have this

4846
05:03:21,780 --> 05:03:28,080
term like Matamoros, which is like kill moors. And there's a city in Mexico called Matamoros,

4847
05:03:28,240 --> 05:03:37,260
right? So it persists to this day. And there was a kind of intense social attempt to purge any kind

4848
05:03:37,260 --> 05:03:43,260
of like Muslim and even Jewish kind of like bloodline from the Iberian Peninsula.

4849
05:03:44,460 --> 05:03:46,960
So like that's also like a thing.

4850
05:03:47,060 --> 05:03:49,860
But then, you know, that's stuff that happens over generations and stuff like that.

4851
05:03:49,980 --> 05:03:52,020
It's not like you have one week to get the fuck out.

4852
05:03:52,060 --> 05:03:53,940
There's no way they can like force it.

4853
05:03:54,040 --> 05:03:55,160
They didn't have the fucking Internet.

4854
05:03:55,260 --> 05:03:56,100
They didn't have planes.

4855
05:03:56,580 --> 05:03:57,420
They didn't have cars.

4856
05:03:57,420 --> 05:04:00,740
Like there's no way they're going to be able to like force everyone to fuck out in like

4857
05:04:00,740 --> 05:04:01,220
a week, right?

4858
05:04:01,980 --> 05:04:04,420
Yeah, they needed Trump back then, didn't they?

4859
05:04:05,520 --> 05:04:06,400
Even then, right?

4860
05:04:06,400 --> 05:04:12,800
even then they don't got planes they don't got they didn't have the uh uh sort of uh uh logistical

4861
05:04:12,800 --> 05:04:21,520
and military infrastructure to achieve such a guarantee um uh but i mean maybe she said it

4862
05:04:21,520 --> 05:04:27,240
towards the end after she could just kind of like claim and win and even to get the message out in

4863
05:04:27,240 --> 05:04:34,480
in like a prompt amount of time there was no telephone right so yeah exactly but but do you

4864
05:04:34,480 --> 05:04:41,020
like lex friedman man because i could um a conversation between you guys like for hours

4865
05:04:41,020 --> 05:04:46,400
um on on history there's something yeah so tell history that's really romantic

4866
05:04:46,400 --> 05:04:56,240
thanks uh no homo right so um i'm kidding yeah i'm kidding so no so i think lex is

4867
05:04:56,240 --> 05:05:00,320
interesting and he's interviewed a lot of interesting people and i've seen him

4868
05:05:00,320 --> 05:05:07,200
interview what you would say are controversial figures and then like i just sat and listened i

4869
05:05:07,200 --> 05:05:13,280
was like oh like this guy isn't as like insane or like retarded as like everyone likes to say

4870
05:05:13,280 --> 05:05:18,300
on social media right like for example like this ven shapiro character i'm not i'm not a fan by any

4871
05:05:18,300 --> 05:05:22,900
means right he's a completely different person than me but you know i always found him to be

4872
05:05:22,900 --> 05:05:27,280
like this kind of like goofball character that's just like retarded and doesn't know what he's

4873
05:05:27,280 --> 05:05:31,980
talking about but i never really like heard him talk directly and i watched his interview on lex

4874
05:05:31,980 --> 05:05:38,220
friedman i was like this is actually an intelligent guy it's not too shabby right and i can't really

4875
05:05:38,220 --> 05:05:42,620
stand his ass either but like at the end of the day i mean he's fine did you watch that did you

4876
05:05:42,620 --> 05:05:48,240
watch that interview too by any chance was it a while ago or is it new yeah no uh a few years ago

4877
05:05:48,240 --> 05:05:54,280
yeah then yes i've seen that one yeah i was like oh okay i was like he's actually not so bad in

4878
05:05:54,280 --> 05:05:57,040
that sense, right? Like he's someone I could probably comfortably sit in a room with just

4879
05:05:57,040 --> 05:06:01,760
fine. And then there's also the Jared Kushner character, right? Also extremely hated because

4880
05:06:01,760 --> 05:06:08,660
of his association with Trump via his, I believe, marriage to Ivanka, right? And he gets sort of

4881
05:06:08,660 --> 05:06:14,840
dismissed as this like sycophantic buffoon, right? And if you just read comments on social media,

4882
05:06:14,900 --> 05:06:18,020
that's what you're going to think. And then I watched his interview with Lex Friedman. I was

4883
05:06:18,020 --> 05:06:22,940
like, this is a highly articulate, highly intelligent man, right? So in that sense,

4884
05:06:22,940 --> 05:06:25,080
I appreciate the content.

4885
05:06:25,420 --> 05:06:29,320
But then I watched Charles' interview with Lex Friedman.

4886
05:06:30,520 --> 05:06:34,380
And at some point, Charles picks up this monkey that he has on his desk

4887
05:06:34,380 --> 05:06:38,380
with the kind of chin on the fist, elbow on the shoulder kind of thing.

4888
05:06:39,440 --> 05:06:41,120
And Charles is like, oh, this is a cool monkey.

4889
05:06:41,880 --> 05:06:47,920
And then Lex Friedman goes, oh, yeah, it's contemplating its own mortality.

4890
05:06:48,680 --> 05:06:50,860
And Charles just goes like, yeah, okay, man, that's cool.

4891
05:06:50,860 --> 05:06:52,640
and then I was like

4892
05:06:52,640 --> 05:06:54,940
it had nothing to do with Charles but I heard Lex say that

4893
05:06:54,940 --> 05:06:56,520
and I was like this guy's like

4894
05:06:56,520 --> 05:06:57,980
definitely

4895
05:06:57,980 --> 05:07:01,060
trying to be a little

4896
05:07:01,060 --> 05:07:01,860
too deep

4897
05:07:01,860 --> 05:07:04,940
you know what I mean and so there's an aspect of

4898
05:07:04,940 --> 05:07:05,900
his kind of

4899
05:07:05,900 --> 05:07:09,200
intellectualism and like

4900
05:07:09,200 --> 05:07:11,220
attempt

4901
05:07:11,220 --> 05:07:13,440
at profoundness that I find to be

4902
05:07:13,440 --> 05:07:15,200
unauthentic

4903
05:07:15,200 --> 05:07:16,720
yep

4904
05:07:16,720 --> 05:07:19,380
almost as though he's like wearing it

4905
05:07:19,380 --> 05:07:21,580
not for us to perceive him that way,

4906
05:07:21,660 --> 05:07:25,800
but for himself to try to feel that way,

4907
05:07:25,820 --> 05:07:27,020
if that makes sense, right?

4908
05:07:27,020 --> 05:07:28,660
So I don't think he's like trying to fool me,

4909
05:07:29,860 --> 05:07:31,100
but I think that like,

4910
05:07:31,680 --> 05:07:34,200
he's trying to be that kind of guy for himself

4911
05:07:34,200 --> 05:07:37,580
and like maybe hasn't fully internalized it.

4912
05:07:37,580 --> 05:07:40,200
And so he's like, in some ways,

4913
05:07:40,600 --> 05:07:42,800
wearing a kind of costume,

4914
05:07:43,340 --> 05:07:46,220
but not like maliciously and negatively, right?

4915
05:07:46,240 --> 05:07:47,240
To sell his content, right?

4916
05:07:47,240 --> 05:07:49,380
I think he truly believes he will.

4917
05:07:50,400 --> 05:07:58,140
It's a really interesting perspective because he's very young with limited experiences, but I think his PhD is in philosophy.

4918
05:07:59,260 --> 05:08:00,180
Something like that, yeah.

4919
05:08:00,480 --> 05:08:06,960
And I mean if that's what he has, if he has a PhD in philosophy, then that makes perfect sense because all modern philosophy PhDs are exactly how I'm describing, right?

4920
05:08:07,480 --> 05:08:09,820
They more have an interest in –

4921
05:08:09,820 --> 05:08:14,340
I think you're on the money with that with your take on Lex Rae.

4922
05:08:15,040 --> 05:08:16,160
Yeah, you get what I mean?

4923
05:08:16,160 --> 05:08:17,960
And I'm not saying that to put him down, right?

4924
05:08:17,960 --> 05:08:20,380
Because as long as he's happy, that's fine, right?

4925
05:08:20,400 --> 05:08:27,020
But I feel like he's wearing a costume to fool himself, not us,

4926
05:08:27,280 --> 05:08:28,040
if that makes sense.

4927
05:08:30,700 --> 05:08:35,200
But I've got a much simpler algorithm to fucking all that, bro.

4928
05:08:35,200 --> 05:08:38,740
To me, anybody that believes in fucking AI fucking isn't smart.

4929
05:08:39,820 --> 05:08:41,480
Well, yeah, we know.

4930
05:08:42,580 --> 05:08:43,320
That's okay.

4931
05:08:43,320 --> 05:08:47,120
hopefully that answers your question Johnny

4932
05:08:47,120 --> 05:08:49,020
I enjoyed

4933
05:08:49,020 --> 05:08:51,000
Lex Friedman when he like

4934
05:08:51,000 --> 05:08:52,740
was like early

4935
05:08:52,740 --> 05:08:54,880
like back in the day like before he even like

4936
05:08:54,880 --> 05:08:56,920
started the podcast you know and like

4937
05:08:56,920 --> 05:08:58,560
his early podcasts are fine but

4938
05:08:58,560 --> 05:09:00,900
then I don't know what happened over the last

4939
05:09:00,900 --> 05:09:02,940
I don't know 8 years or how many

4940
05:09:02,940 --> 05:09:04,800
years he's been doing this shit

4941
05:09:04,800 --> 05:09:06,540
well I mean I thought

4942
05:09:06,540 --> 05:09:07,860
he had balls

4943
05:09:07,860 --> 05:09:10,680
to go and like

4944
05:09:10,680 --> 05:09:12,780
interview Vladimir Putin in Russia

4945
05:09:12,780 --> 05:09:20,780
right i thought that was pretty cool and ballsy right uh his whole like let's just all be friends

4946
05:09:20,780 --> 05:09:26,340
and have peace thing is a little stupid right like no matter regardless of whose side you're on

4947
05:09:26,340 --> 05:09:32,900
the uh unfolding of the events whatever the precursor was is irrelevant one country invaded

4948
05:09:32,900 --> 05:09:38,080
another country another country's super pissed you can't really just expect them to hug it out

4949
05:09:38,080 --> 05:09:43,040
right now right so that whole like let's just all be peaceful shit i'm like bro you're whack like

4950
05:09:43,040 --> 05:09:49,160
shut the fuck up bro you you know what i mean not even being on some like slava ukrainian shit right

4951
05:09:49,160 --> 05:09:57,880
yeah right but i found that the vladimir putin interview was actually really good and hilarious

4952
05:09:57,880 --> 05:10:02,120
because he's like oh okay so tell me how you feel about this and the vladimir putin's like well

4953
05:10:02,120 --> 05:10:08,580
first let's start off 500 years ago with the history of russia this motherfucker's like

4954
05:10:08,580 --> 05:10:13,800
it has like maps and shit like you could tell he's been in like the old soviet archives and

4955
05:10:13,800 --> 05:10:18,620
like russian empire archives that they probably still have just like reading history about like

4956
05:10:18,620 --> 05:10:24,600
the russian empire and he's just like so i liked it because um effectively he he a lot of latin

4957
05:10:24,600 --> 05:10:31,280
to give a quite an interesting history lesson so i thought that was a pretty cool one um kind of

4958
05:10:31,280 --> 05:10:38,180
the war stuff like aside right like uh i find that the invasion of ukraine was quite inappropriate

4959
05:10:38,180 --> 05:10:44,160
i don't think it really made sense to me uh i don't think russia was in a threat of being

4960
05:10:44,160 --> 05:10:50,540
invaded or bombed by any means so i don't think that was appropriate but in any case it's happened

4961
05:10:50,540 --> 05:10:58,100
and i think i mean it might have been appropriate if like the u.s really had fucking bio labs in

4962
05:10:58,100 --> 05:11:03,700
ukraine might have been appropriate then yeah but then we get on the side of like you know

4963
05:11:05,380 --> 05:11:09,380
how easy it is for us to verify that right and i get it there's all kinds of

4964
05:11:10,420 --> 05:11:15,460
bro i mean yeah you have to get into the tinfoil arena we want to actually even guess what the

4965
05:11:15,460 --> 05:11:20,900
actually happened yeah exactly so i'm kind of trying to stay away from from from that right

4966
05:11:20,900 --> 05:11:25,780
and just keep it high level um well that's what i'm saying though there is no high level because

4967
05:11:25,780 --> 05:11:29,000
nobody actually knows what the fuck is going on.

4968
05:11:30,020 --> 05:11:32,440
The only thing you can do is fucking dip your toes

4969
05:11:32,440 --> 05:11:34,020
in the fucking tinfoil arena, dude.

4970
05:11:34,860 --> 05:11:37,140
Otherwise, nobody fucking knows.

4971
05:11:38,280 --> 05:11:40,340
Well, if I'm just watching, right?

4972
05:11:40,780 --> 05:11:42,540
Let's say I'm in space, right?

4973
05:11:43,100 --> 05:11:46,480
And I can just see human activity with no narration.

4974
05:11:47,580 --> 05:11:50,320
Someone showed up out of nowhere in a situation

4975
05:11:50,320 --> 05:11:53,420
that otherwise didn't have any kinetic activity,

4976
05:11:53,860 --> 05:11:55,380
such as bombs and guns.

4977
05:11:55,780 --> 05:11:59,940
and started doing that on a side of the fence that doesn't belong to them.

4978
05:12:00,480 --> 05:12:02,420
And then these people responded.

4979
05:12:03,160 --> 05:12:04,220
Yeah, but that's empty, bro.

4980
05:12:04,360 --> 05:12:05,620
Because, like, are we, like...

4981
05:12:05,620 --> 05:12:08,080
Well, that's where I'm trying to keep it, like, specifically.

4982
05:12:08,560 --> 05:12:10,660
Just because that's not the topic right now, right?

4983
05:12:10,680 --> 05:12:13,700
The topic is Lex Friedman and his interviews and stuff like that.

4984
05:12:14,500 --> 05:12:17,380
I'm just saying nobody fucking knows the real reason why we fucking,

4985
05:12:17,460 --> 05:12:18,760
you know, why the Ukraine shit happened.

4986
05:12:18,840 --> 05:12:19,480
That's all I'm saying.

4987
05:12:20,900 --> 05:12:23,580
Yeah, I have no fucking clue why exactly, right?

4988
05:12:24,460 --> 05:12:24,780
Uh...

4989
05:12:25,780 --> 05:12:32,740
But if I'm on the International Space Station with a telescope, I'm like, holy shit, these guys just fucking bombed these people.

4990
05:12:34,840 --> 05:12:35,860
That's what I mean.

4991
05:12:37,060 --> 05:12:39,660
And that's where I'm trying to stay with that kind of stuff.

4992
05:12:39,940 --> 05:12:41,280
Everyone's got a lot to say.

4993
05:12:41,680 --> 05:12:43,960
And so none of my business anyways.

4994
05:12:44,960 --> 05:12:54,100
If there's aliens watching us and they're looking down, they're sending galactic orcans to wipe us out.

4995
05:12:55,780 --> 05:12:58,060
Yeah. What is that?

4996
05:12:58,140 --> 05:13:00,100
Is that like one of those

4997
05:13:00,100 --> 05:13:01,200
three-body problem things?

4998
05:13:03,640 --> 05:13:04,480
What, Orkin?

4999
05:13:05,740 --> 05:13:06,660
Yeah, exactly.

5000
05:13:09,080 --> 05:13:09,760
We'll see

5001
05:13:09,760 --> 05:13:12,400
all the aliens motherfuckers want to see

5002
05:13:12,400 --> 05:13:13,540
in Revelations, man.

5003
05:13:16,900 --> 05:13:17,380
So,

5004
05:13:17,720 --> 05:13:19,760
I didn't like the show

5005
05:13:19,760 --> 05:13:20,480
Three-Body Problem.

5006
05:13:21,260 --> 05:13:23,200
I thought the show was...

5007
05:13:23,200 --> 05:13:24,780
The aliens were AI all along?

5008
05:13:25,780 --> 05:13:28,760
apparently the books were good

5009
05:13:28,760 --> 05:13:31,460
there was a Chinese guy

5010
05:13:31,460 --> 05:13:33,080
that wrote the books

5011
05:13:33,080 --> 05:13:34,860
there's three of them

5012
05:13:34,860 --> 05:13:36,480
but

5013
05:13:36,480 --> 05:13:39,160
the show didn't really do it for me

5014
05:13:39,160 --> 05:13:41,800
like the characters were all wrong

5015
05:13:41,800 --> 05:13:43,560
and like not the appropriate

5016
05:13:43,560 --> 05:13:44,140
like

5017
05:13:44,140 --> 05:13:46,400
the characters were all just messed up

5018
05:13:46,400 --> 05:13:47,680
if they were going to do it right

5019
05:13:47,680 --> 05:13:49,180
they should have hired a bunch of Chinese actors

5020
05:13:49,180 --> 05:13:51,240
and played it out

5021
05:13:51,240 --> 05:13:54,500
yeah Lucas

5022
05:13:54,500 --> 05:13:58,660
You've seen Lost in Space, the fucking new one, not the fucking home one.

5023
05:13:59,200 --> 05:14:00,320
Yeah, I saw some of that.

5024
05:14:00,480 --> 05:14:03,420
I thought I was entertaining for like the first two seasons

5025
05:14:03,420 --> 05:14:05,600
and then I kind of lost interest naturally.

5026
05:14:06,340 --> 05:14:07,440
Yeah, it got a little gay.

5027
05:14:07,620 --> 05:14:10,160
Got a little gay fucking coming into season two, season three.

5028
05:14:10,300 --> 05:14:11,720
But overall, I thought it was good.

5029
05:14:12,760 --> 05:14:13,400
It was fun.

5030
05:14:14,020 --> 05:14:14,740
It was interesting.

5031
05:14:15,160 --> 05:14:15,500
Like the...

5032
05:14:16,620 --> 05:14:18,880
Did we ever find out where those robots come from and shit?

5033
05:14:20,740 --> 05:14:21,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5034
05:14:21,880 --> 05:14:25,220
Yeah, they have their own fucking origin planet.

5035
05:14:26,220 --> 05:14:29,640
Are they like a kind of biological, mechanical thing?

5036
05:14:29,740 --> 05:14:34,720
Or are they like some Transformer shit where some other organic race made them originally to be slaved?

5037
05:14:35,640 --> 05:14:38,100
Yes, that. That. 100% that.

5038
05:14:38,700 --> 05:14:39,000
Yes.

5039
05:14:39,860 --> 05:14:45,100
They were created by another species and then they wiped them out.

5040
05:14:45,100 --> 05:14:45,380
Yeah.

5041
05:14:45,720 --> 05:14:46,000
Yes.

5042
05:14:46,240 --> 05:14:46,520
Yeah.

5043
05:14:46,860 --> 05:14:51,280
Because that's like the origin of the Transformers, actually.

5044
05:14:51,280 --> 05:15:00,060
the transformers were created as like slave robots for some kind of organic species and then like you

5045
05:15:00,060 --> 05:15:06,400
had like two different kinds like decepticons were like the for war purposes and then the

5046
05:15:06,400 --> 05:15:16,660
the what was the other ones autobots uh those were for uh like like regular labor and shit like that

5047
05:15:16,660 --> 05:15:21,120
right like construction and all kinds of things like that and you can even see that in like the

5048
05:15:21,120 --> 05:15:25,900
things that they could like transform into right I'm just prime as a fucking fire truck right and

5049
05:15:25,900 --> 05:15:32,820
then like star stream or star scream is like a fucking like f-35 raptor fucking crazy shit like

5050
05:15:32,820 --> 05:15:38,720
whatever the fuck um and so yeah they were yeah they were originally for for some organic race and

5051
05:15:38,720 --> 05:15:43,120
then they kind of like fought for their freedom and then after like the war for their freedom

5052
05:15:43,120 --> 05:15:49,460
there was like a split between like the two types about like the direction like that they're

5053
05:15:49,460 --> 05:15:52,380
whatever they are, race or some shit

5054
05:15:52,380 --> 05:15:53,460
should go in

5055
05:15:53,460 --> 05:15:56,680
which then led to the

5056
05:15:56,680 --> 05:15:59,560
led to the

5057
05:15:59,560 --> 05:16:06,620
oh shit, did he just rug or is that man?

5058
05:16:07,460 --> 05:16:08,100
he just rug

5059
05:16:08,100 --> 05:16:12,620
yeah, to be honest dude, what they did with the

5060
05:16:12,620 --> 05:16:15,020
storyline of Transformers was fucking ruin it

5061
05:16:15,020 --> 05:16:15,900
in my opinion

5062
05:16:15,900 --> 05:16:19,340
they fucking ruined it

5063
05:16:19,340 --> 05:16:24,020
Just shredded our childhood.

5064
05:16:49,340 --> 05:17:00,260
the transformers era was just like magnificent toy era there was like mask and transformers and

5065
05:17:00,260 --> 05:17:05,760
just like the best toys and it's just like this this whole collage or shit that i could never

5066
05:17:05,760 --> 05:17:11,900
afford you know for had a poor family so now i like collect toys in my in my old age

5067
05:17:11,900 --> 05:17:16,500
I got like a Shogun

5068
05:17:16,500 --> 05:17:17,900
Godzilla

5069
05:17:41,900 --> 05:17:50,520
Hey, Phil, I know you asked me to send you my address to my wallet.

5070
05:17:51,520 --> 05:17:54,240
How am I supposed to do that, if you don't mind the help?

5071
05:18:05,640 --> 05:18:07,480
Send me those private keys, too, man.

5072
05:18:11,900 --> 05:18:24,780
what's up bitches

5073
05:18:24,780 --> 05:18:28,380
let's go

5074
05:18:28,380 --> 05:18:33,540
sorry i had to like have dinner and the family shit dude

5075
05:18:33,540 --> 05:18:42,680
you miss story time man lucas was given like awesome history lesson and it was so cool

5076
05:18:42,680 --> 05:18:44,280
who

5077
05:18:44,280 --> 05:18:50,360
yeah lucas knows what time it is

5078
05:18:50,360 --> 05:18:57,940
always come on i forgot tell me who speaks english i'll be like yo you know what the

5079
05:18:57,940 --> 05:19:00,180
Neanderthals, when they had

5080
05:19:00,180 --> 05:19:01,560
their obsidian knives,

5081
05:19:02,700 --> 05:19:04,140
you know, they were like

5082
05:19:04,140 --> 05:19:05,620
building

5083
05:19:05,620 --> 05:19:08,180
bows and arrows and shit

5084
05:19:08,180 --> 05:19:09,460
and he just knows all this shit.

5085
05:19:09,920 --> 05:19:12,100
This motherfucker looks into that shit every day.

5086
05:19:13,100 --> 05:19:14,120
He's like mad curious.

5087
05:19:14,540 --> 05:19:16,100
So, it comes from

5088
05:19:16,100 --> 05:19:17,460
a place that he knows what time it is.

5089
05:19:17,700 --> 05:19:19,900
Not just like some bozo internet

5090
05:19:19,900 --> 05:19:21,140
and my friend is making it up.

5091
05:19:22,760 --> 05:19:24,180
It's so much fun to hear

5092
05:19:24,180 --> 05:19:26,060
it from somebody who has such

5093
05:19:26,060 --> 05:19:34,060
a strong grasp and such an interlacing kind of knowledge base of history. And it truly is so

5094
05:19:34,060 --> 05:19:39,600
important. You know, if you want to know where you're going in society, you kind of need to know

5095
05:19:39,600 --> 05:19:52,940
where you've been. Hey, what time do you eat your dinner? That's cat. You're lying. I'm not lying.

5096
05:19:52,940 --> 05:19:54,680
You didn't eat your dinner, did you?

5097
05:19:55,180 --> 05:19:55,680
I did.

5098
05:19:56,060 --> 05:19:57,300
No, that's Kat.

5099
05:19:58,380 --> 05:20:00,260
You're going to be lying to them?

5100
05:20:01,400 --> 05:20:01,840
Nah.

5101
05:20:01,960 --> 05:20:02,740
You don't want to lie.

5102
05:20:03,240 --> 05:20:04,700
I ate half of it.

5103
05:20:04,840 --> 05:20:06,060
You ate a little bit of it.

5104
05:20:07,340 --> 05:20:11,100
You ate a lot of that curly hair.

5105
05:20:12,100 --> 05:20:17,380
She just pointed at Micro's little baby curl like it's BFB.

5106
05:20:19,380 --> 05:20:20,420
I'm dead.

5107
05:20:22,940 --> 05:20:26,540
that was me

5108
05:20:28,540 --> 05:20:32,760
what's been going on

5109
05:20:32,760 --> 05:20:45,180
what song do you want to listen to

5110
05:20:45,180 --> 05:20:58,700
Rihanna

5111
05:20:58,700 --> 05:21:00,540
I don't know about Rihanna dude

5112
05:21:00,540 --> 05:21:02,540
she's a rock nation

5113
05:21:02,540 --> 05:21:04,320
She's the ops.

5114
05:21:06,120 --> 05:21:08,500
She's brave, but she's a bright op.

5115
05:21:11,660 --> 05:21:12,460
I'm trying.

5116
05:21:19,460 --> 05:21:20,540
Let's see. Hold on.

5117
05:21:25,540 --> 05:21:26,660
How old is she now?

5118
05:21:27,900 --> 05:21:28,860
What computer? What big?

5119
05:21:29,640 --> 05:21:31,820
She's about to be four in a few months.

5120
05:21:32,540 --> 05:21:36,220
my little girl's fired

5121
05:21:36,220 --> 05:21:38,460
she was playing on the drums

5122
05:21:38,460 --> 05:21:39,900
and singing into the microphone

5123
05:21:39,900 --> 05:21:41,800
top of her lungs today

5124
05:21:41,800 --> 05:21:42,640
it was so hilarious

5125
05:21:42,640 --> 05:21:46,200
they're like on a whole different level

5126
05:21:46,200 --> 05:21:47,340
of just turning up

5127
05:21:47,340 --> 05:21:49,760
it's fire

5128
05:21:49,760 --> 05:21:54,000
yeah they got that like

5129
05:21:54,000 --> 05:21:55,360
you know how they say

5130
05:21:55,360 --> 05:21:57,540
a drunk man's word is a

5131
05:21:57,540 --> 05:21:59,320
baby's truth or something

5132
05:21:59,320 --> 05:22:01,220
they just got that

5133
05:22:01,220 --> 05:22:02,020
What's that?

5134
05:22:02,520 --> 05:22:03,480
I did this.

5135
05:22:04,300 --> 05:22:05,440
What do you do?

5136
05:22:06,400 --> 05:22:06,840
That.

5137
05:22:07,960 --> 05:22:09,300
You're breaking things.

5138
05:22:09,360 --> 05:22:10,060
That's what you're doing.

5139
05:22:10,760 --> 05:22:13,500
Hey, you're a mean dad.

5140
05:22:13,840 --> 05:22:14,040
Hmm?

5141
05:22:14,340 --> 05:22:15,940
You're a mean dad.

5142
05:22:18,520 --> 05:22:19,920
Because I ain't playing

5143
05:22:19,920 --> 05:22:20,900
Chambra like a diamond?

5144
05:22:21,860 --> 05:22:22,340
Nah.

5145
05:22:23,140 --> 05:22:24,900
So I call you my dad.

5146
05:22:24,900 --> 05:22:26,900
Oh my God.

5147
05:22:28,380 --> 05:22:28,980
Let's see.

5148
05:22:31,220 --> 05:22:33,740
What's going on?

5149
05:22:35,840 --> 05:22:36,820
You want to go?

5150
05:22:37,060 --> 05:22:37,580
Where are you going?

5151
05:22:40,300 --> 05:22:41,740
Oh, my God.

5152
05:22:41,800 --> 05:22:42,740
You're just taking over.

5153
05:22:43,120 --> 05:22:45,040
You're controlling the situation.

5154
05:22:45,040 --> 05:22:47,480
Look, I'm doing my own.

5155
05:22:47,480 --> 05:22:47,920
Look.

5156
05:22:58,600 --> 05:22:59,760
Try it.

5157
05:22:59,760 --> 05:23:00,240
Searching.

5158
05:23:00,740 --> 05:23:01,060
What?

5159
05:23:01,220 --> 05:23:11,540
Oh, what's that?

5160
05:23:11,540 --> 05:23:13,600
I don't even know what's going on, Eva.

5161
05:23:13,980 --> 05:23:14,460
Michael.

5162
05:23:15,240 --> 05:23:31,200
I got codex because you guys said to try it, and it's growing on me.

5163
05:23:31,220 --> 05:23:34,140
they keep resetting my

5164
05:23:34,140 --> 05:23:36,080
my prompts like zero

5165
05:23:36,080 --> 05:23:38,340
yeah you were saying your usage

5166
05:23:38,340 --> 05:23:40,300
limits yeah they reset it again today

5167
05:23:40,300 --> 05:23:41,040
it's insane

5168
05:23:41,040 --> 05:23:44,440
it's like too much

5169
05:23:44,440 --> 05:23:46,480
man it's like every day

5170
05:23:46,480 --> 05:23:48,380
I wake up I have more credits I'm like fuck

5171
05:23:48,380 --> 05:23:52,540
I'm building like everything

5172
05:23:52,540 --> 05:23:54,380
I have 160 repos

5173
05:23:54,380 --> 05:23:56,540
and I'm just like blasting through all of them

5174
05:23:59,020 --> 05:23:59,420
haha

5175
05:24:01,220 --> 05:24:11,900
that's insane 160 repos bro oh my gosh yeah so so a lot of them are for for like some of them

5176
05:24:11,900 --> 05:24:17,420
are for reference uh but i've got at least like 40 midnight projects and then they're all part of

5177
05:24:17,420 --> 05:24:23,300
like they're starting to morph into this uh kind of a greater digital identity based uh system

5178
05:24:23,300 --> 05:24:29,620
it's crazy it's insane what i'm trying to do and i'll never do it but it's so much fun and i'm

5179
05:24:29,620 --> 05:24:37,160
really trying i started just using chat gpt and clawed in clawed code i like wired up the harness

5180
05:24:37,160 --> 05:24:46,000
to like just use clawed code or i mean uh chat gpt instead of clawed so gpt in devon which is uh

5181
05:24:46,000 --> 05:24:52,460
used to be windsurf it's actually more expensive today so i think it was like um it was it was 25

5182
05:24:52,460 --> 05:25:04,780
per million for um for claude 4.8 and then for uh gpt uh 5.6 i think the newest one i think that was

5183
05:25:04,780 --> 05:25:17,500
30. it's interesting like i trust claude better for programming but i found that the new gpt

5184
05:25:17,500 --> 05:25:21,460
has like this higher layer of intellectual,

5185
05:25:22,780 --> 05:25:26,160
I guess, maturity.

5186
05:25:26,760 --> 05:25:29,720
Like it's kind of like a no BS sort of,

5187
05:25:30,220 --> 05:25:32,020
it'll give you a real breakdown

5188
05:25:32,020 --> 05:25:37,040
and it's not as sycophant as Claude can be sometimes.

5189
05:25:38,320 --> 05:25:39,060
Yeah, makes sense.

5190
05:25:45,760 --> 05:25:46,900
Featureism, what's up?

5191
05:25:47,500 --> 05:25:54,520
Hey, guys, I was looking through my timeline of people that I usually follow.

5192
05:25:55,640 --> 05:26:02,760
On the Midnight side, there was a person called Ian Cain that used to be the head of partnerships.

5193
05:26:03,500 --> 05:26:03,960
I know him.

5194
05:26:04,320 --> 05:26:16,080
Yeah, he mentioned that obviously he contributed 100 plus partners to Midnight, but there seemed to have been some budget issues and he had to switch to head of partnership for Cosmos.

5195
05:26:16,080 --> 05:26:17,420
is this

5196
05:26:17,420 --> 05:26:20,360
if Midnight is not part of the

5197
05:26:20,360 --> 05:26:22,060
treasury withdraw

5198
05:26:22,060 --> 05:26:23,240
processes

5199
05:26:23,240 --> 05:26:26,160
how does Midnight budget work per se?

5200
05:26:29,580 --> 05:26:30,100
Well it has

5201
05:26:30,100 --> 05:26:31,820
its own blockchain, it has a budget

5202
05:26:31,820 --> 05:26:35,480
I mean

5203
05:26:35,480 --> 05:26:36,820
you have like

5204
05:26:36,820 --> 05:26:39,040
founding entities for Midnight

5205
05:26:39,040 --> 05:26:41,900
and they're the ones paying people

5206
05:26:41,900 --> 05:26:42,660
to work on Midnight

5207
05:26:42,660 --> 05:26:45,680
and they're totally separate

5208
05:26:45,680 --> 05:26:47,180
from anything Cardano does.

5209
05:26:47,900 --> 05:26:48,900
Yeah, it's a different company.

5210
05:26:53,060 --> 05:26:54,600
I'm just trying to understand

5211
05:26:54,600 --> 05:26:57,460
from a pure partnership perspective,

5212
05:26:57,460 --> 05:27:00,380
if you facilitated 100 plus ones

5213
05:27:00,380 --> 05:27:05,360
and then you're joining a Cosmos,

5214
05:27:05,500 --> 05:27:07,380
I'm not sure whether that's a pure competitor

5215
05:27:07,380 --> 05:27:09,260
or just, you know,

5216
05:27:09,320 --> 05:27:11,700
it can be non-competitor per se

5217
05:27:11,700 --> 05:27:12,900
to Cardano and Midnight.

5218
05:27:12,900 --> 05:27:15,340
how would that work

5219
05:27:15,340 --> 05:27:17,320
in terms of

5220
05:27:17,320 --> 05:27:19,080
NDAs and

5221
05:27:19,080 --> 05:27:21,100
all the information you've gathered

5222
05:27:21,100 --> 05:27:22,720
and cross partnership levels

5223
05:27:22,720 --> 05:27:25,280
I'm just trying to piece it out in my mind

5224
05:27:25,280 --> 05:27:27,360
I guess it depends

5225
05:27:27,360 --> 05:27:28,660
on what was signed and everything

5226
05:27:28,660 --> 05:27:30,540
like maybe you can't talk about

5227
05:27:30,540 --> 05:27:33,540
the partnership that they have

5228
05:27:33,540 --> 05:27:34,720
with Midnight

5229
05:27:34,720 --> 05:27:36,900
but maybe he doesn't have a non-compete

5230
05:27:36,900 --> 05:27:37,620
um

5231
05:27:37,620 --> 05:27:45,480
Ian Kane's a good dude and he um

5232
05:27:45,480 --> 05:27:54,660
is very very talented at uh getting partnerships he did an incredible job and uh you know it might

5233
05:27:54,660 --> 05:28:01,820
it might I'm only speculating but uh it it might just be that because you know midnight is so new

5234
05:28:01,820 --> 05:28:07,140
that it was out of the budget for right now.

5235
05:28:12,820 --> 05:28:13,620
All right.

5236
05:28:13,760 --> 05:28:19,400
And then it comes back to, I believe his name is Brian,

5237
05:28:20,020 --> 05:28:22,040
the DeFi Viking at AlphaGrove.

5238
05:28:22,180 --> 05:28:23,100
He was very knowledgeable.

5239
05:28:23,340 --> 05:28:26,640
He was speaking 45 minutes ago, answering questions of mine.

5240
05:28:26,740 --> 05:28:31,440
And I'll look at the dialogue of this X space when it's done.

5241
05:28:31,820 --> 05:28:38,240
But if you have a certain set of individuals, we're not talking about engineers.

5242
05:28:38,520 --> 05:28:45,740
I respect all engineering level that's been taken care of from all the guys that are in this space and other ones.

5243
05:28:45,740 --> 05:28:57,320
But if you're talking in terms of, I don't know, partnerships and, you know, Brian mentioned something about banks and I dived super deep the last 20 minutes.

5244
05:28:57,320 --> 05:29:04,320
And I saw that specifically for the SpaceX IPO with the 21 banks that were in there.

5245
05:29:04,420 --> 05:29:05,840
I'm going to mention them right now.

5246
05:29:06,300 --> 05:29:10,380
Senior Rose, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan, Bank of America City.

5247
05:29:10,960 --> 05:29:20,880
And then supporting syndicates, Allen & Company, Barclays, BTG Paxual, Deutsche Bank, ING, Mark Carey Group, Mizuho, RBC, Raymond James, Niham Company,

5248
05:29:20,880 --> 05:29:42,200
So I'm trying to piece it out together if there's partnerships that happen in a blockchain and obviously NDAs, non-competes, all that go to another blockchain.

5249
05:29:42,200 --> 05:29:51,560
And then Charles mentioned before that Cardano is known for the institutional research token.

5250
05:29:51,740 --> 05:29:59,000
You know, all of the researchers are relatively interconnected and they know where they can be tenored and where they cannot be tenored per se.

5251
05:29:59,000 --> 05:30:12,400
I'm trying to piece out from a maximum futuristic perspective how to position outreaches.

5252
05:30:12,820 --> 05:30:16,320
Because I have like 12,000 connections on LinkedIn.

5253
05:30:16,320 --> 05:30:20,700
And with Brian's information from today, I'm going to start outreaching like 100 plus people.

5254
05:30:21,320 --> 05:30:24,300
Obviously, I don't have IOG's approval or that.

5255
05:30:24,440 --> 05:30:27,740
I'll just post it as a side explanation.

5256
05:30:27,740 --> 05:30:30,300
I'm going to try to do that.

5257
05:30:30,300 --> 05:30:34,660
I'm just trying to get some advice from experts here,

5258
05:30:34,660 --> 05:30:36,500
or if you guys know anything.

5259
05:30:36,500 --> 05:30:39,860
What do you think I should say and should not say

5260
05:30:39,860 --> 05:30:43,420
in posts that I'm going to send to 100 plus people

5261
05:30:43,420 --> 05:30:47,140
that are very high up there in these ecosystems of capital

5262
05:30:47,140 --> 05:30:49,620
and IPOs and stuff like that?

5263
05:30:49,620 --> 05:30:51,060
Any advice is welcome.

5264
05:30:54,900 --> 05:30:56,980
I didn't hear what your question was.

5265
05:30:57,740 --> 05:31:01,380
The question is more of an advice type of statement.

5266
05:31:01,560 --> 05:31:06,740
So now that I know the 21 banks that were positioned with SpaceX,

5267
05:31:07,040 --> 05:31:08,980
and 30 minutes ago with Brian from Alpha Grove,

5268
05:31:09,060 --> 05:31:12,300
we were talking about reverse SPACs with Chamath,

5269
05:31:12,780 --> 05:31:16,880
and we were talking about how, because Charles was in the space one hour ago,

5270
05:31:16,980 --> 05:31:20,560
and Charles said that the next future thing that he's focused on

5271
05:31:20,560 --> 05:31:25,500
is getting four to five unicorn companies, one billion valuation to Cardano.

5272
05:31:26,420 --> 05:31:33,620
And so I then started reverse analyzing that if you create a holding company or whatever company that generates $20 million to $30 million in revenue,

5273
05:31:34,140 --> 05:31:40,540
then you give it a $30 million to $50 million valuation, whether it's because it's going to be pre-IPO or whether it's because you're going to raise on that.

5274
05:31:40,540 --> 05:31:46,100
There's your unicorn and you do that four or five times and then there's your four or five KPIs.

5275
05:31:46,200 --> 05:31:51,340
And then he said that a pure revenue-to-revenue $20 million to $30 million exchange is not legal.

5276
05:31:51,340 --> 05:32:01,860
But the way Shammath, for example, did it with his reverse SPACs and he's the SPAC king, he was doing booking revenue and a similar map.

5277
05:32:02,120 --> 05:32:03,860
So I'm diving into that deep hole.

5278
05:32:04,460 --> 05:32:13,840
And now that I've gathered more information, what I'm going to do on LinkedIn, I'm going to be reaching out probably 100 plus times to get to understand the process.

5279
05:32:13,840 --> 05:32:34,180
While I'm doing that, it becomes a nuanced thing where you need, I think, a better way of it is some people saying there are certain things that you should say, certain things you should not say because of existing partnerships that have happened before.

5280
05:32:34,180 --> 05:32:38,840
and what I'm doing with that is I'm going to be able to gather knowledge

5281
05:32:38,840 --> 05:32:43,060
of existing and previous partnerships,

5282
05:32:43,060 --> 05:32:45,600
not to use it in a negative way, only in a positive way.

5283
05:32:45,600 --> 05:32:51,040
Like example, one year ago, there was like this big query

5284
05:32:51,040 --> 05:32:55,280
that Phil was explaining how Tether and Circle and how much money they want.

5285
05:32:55,780 --> 05:33:01,000
And then I remember I was asking some people on LinkedIn

5286
05:33:01,000 --> 05:33:03,920
on Tether and Circle about partnerships and costs.

5287
05:33:04,180 --> 05:33:09,760
And they're like, yeah, we already have a person from Cardano and obviously JJ, and we've discussed that already.

5288
05:33:09,760 --> 05:33:15,000
I'm like, oops, I don't want to go deeper here because it's already been taken care of.

5289
05:33:15,620 --> 05:33:26,260
So in that kind of sense, if I'm doing this as a pure volunteerism, as Phil has said that he has 90% of his time is volunteerism, what should I say and what should I not say?

5290
05:33:26,340 --> 05:33:27,400
That's my question.

5291
05:33:30,400 --> 05:33:30,920
Okay.

5292
05:33:34,180 --> 05:34:04,160
Thank you.

5293
05:34:04,180 --> 05:34:19,900
Did I run?

5294
05:34:20,160 --> 05:34:21,880
Did no one answer the guy?

5295
05:34:23,340 --> 05:34:24,760
Looks like you answered the guy.

5296
05:34:25,680 --> 05:34:26,340
No worries.

5297
05:34:26,420 --> 05:34:27,700
I'll wait for Phil to come back.

5298
05:34:28,120 --> 05:34:29,040
I'll ask him.

5299
05:34:29,480 --> 05:34:30,540
It all depends, right?

5300
05:34:30,540 --> 05:34:33,220
It depends on what you can say.

5301
05:34:33,220 --> 05:34:39,760
depends on if you work with the team right if you're just out here willy-nilly trying to get

5302
05:34:39,760 --> 05:34:45,940
people to come to midnight you're free to say everything except you know other legalities

5303
05:34:45,940 --> 05:34:49,880
where you're gonna promise financial gains and shit like that that you shouldn't do but

5304
05:34:49,880 --> 05:34:56,440
i'm pretty sure as long as you don't work for the team you're at liberty to do whatever the

5305
05:34:56,440 --> 05:35:02,480
hell you want to do if you want to go talk to somebody on solana form a partnership and uh

5306
05:35:02,480 --> 05:35:05,700
bring them over here, I think you could do whatever you want to do.

5307
05:35:06,020 --> 05:35:06,920
Personally, I don't know.

5308
05:35:09,560 --> 05:35:11,860
I believe I'm a midnight ambassador,

5309
05:35:12,080 --> 05:35:16,160
but obviously I have my business that makes 20K revenue a month.

5310
05:35:16,160 --> 05:35:18,360
And then also I'm a credential tax accountant.

5311
05:35:18,640 --> 05:35:20,200
But the reason I'm doing this...

5312
05:35:20,200 --> 05:35:21,660
Are you an ambassador or a leader?

5313
05:35:21,860 --> 05:35:23,660
Because when you go, at least with me,

5314
05:35:23,780 --> 05:35:26,060
like I know when we became a leader,

5315
05:35:26,200 --> 05:35:29,160
when we went out to Japan, they had like...

5316
05:35:29,160 --> 05:35:31,420
That was pretty much the workshop.

5317
05:35:31,420 --> 05:35:36,960
They sat you down. They went through, you know, branding things. You could say things you couldn't say

5318
05:35:38,080 --> 05:35:43,680
And things like that I wasn't able to go to Japan because during tax season I work a hundred plus hours a week

5319
05:35:46,480 --> 05:35:56,180
All right, well, I'll try to they had like documents and stuff is pretty I missed the first half too because I left my clothes never came and I had to go buy clothes for the

5320
05:35:56,180 --> 05:36:00,340
the event because my luggage never came.

5321
05:36:00,420 --> 05:36:04,040
So I missed the first half when they were going through all that finite stuff.

5322
05:36:04,100 --> 05:36:06,800
I just remember when they were going over the branding, I'm like, oh, shit,

5323
05:36:06,860 --> 05:36:11,600
I done violated half the ship the first couple days.

5324
05:36:11,600 --> 05:36:16,380
But, yeah, I'll figure it out and I'll get you that information if you really want to know.

5325
05:36:26,180 --> 05:36:32,140
I'm out here just trying to get Ascot to put $200 million in the midnight.

5326
05:36:32,480 --> 05:36:33,540
That's all I'm trying to do.

5327
05:36:40,060 --> 05:36:41,460
Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.

5328
05:36:41,460 --> 05:36:47,700
Yeah, I mean, I just feel like we're on the cusp of if we keep pushing,

5329
05:36:47,900 --> 05:36:53,740
as Charles described it one hour ago, if we keep pushing in different directions,

5330
05:36:53,740 --> 05:36:56,280
we may struck some extra gold.

5331
05:36:57,180 --> 05:37:02,940
And I know that when you're doing something out of pure volunteerism rather than being paid,

5332
05:37:03,400 --> 05:37:04,440
it's also a different mentality.

5333
05:37:04,580 --> 05:37:09,600
You have to be truly interested in something to push it to the max in order to work out,

5334
05:37:09,700 --> 05:37:13,280
where if you're paid sometimes, you know, you think of it in a different manner.

5335
05:37:13,880 --> 05:37:16,480
So I know I'm going above and beyond.

5336
05:37:17,520 --> 05:37:22,640
I've invested a little bit, but it's not like I'm in the millions of dollars or whatever.

5337
05:37:22,640 --> 05:37:34,580
But the point is that I really want to get to the pragmatical experience point as, you know, all the ideas that I've pursued the last one plus year.

5338
05:37:34,740 --> 05:37:41,080
And as I'm getting more information from Charles and all of those, those are ideas that, you know, have not been tried.

5339
05:37:41,160 --> 05:37:47,620
Maybe, maybe they have been discussed in the idea manner, but all of them require some capital.

5340
05:37:47,620 --> 05:37:52,380
and I just kind of want to push in that direction

5341
05:37:52,380 --> 05:37:55,320
because I don't think I hear anyone talking about them.

5342
05:37:55,520 --> 05:37:59,060
Maybe actually such discussions have occurred,

5343
05:37:59,180 --> 05:38:01,240
but maybe they happen behind the scenes.

5344
05:38:01,420 --> 05:38:03,460
It's more technical, but either way,

5345
05:38:03,600 --> 05:38:06,400
if I keep pushing, I think eventually I'll get to a point.

5346
05:38:06,400 --> 05:38:08,320
But I appreciate it, Dr. Ozzy,

5347
05:38:08,360 --> 05:38:10,880
if you send me some notes from the leader meeting in Japan.

5348
05:38:11,100 --> 05:38:12,020
I wasn't able to go there.

5349
05:38:12,960 --> 05:38:14,060
Yeah, I'll get it, definitely.

5350
05:38:14,400 --> 05:38:16,720
And when you're trying to push your own endeavors

5351
05:38:16,720 --> 05:38:19,980
and the best thing you can always do in this space,

5352
05:38:20,060 --> 05:38:21,420
because I think people are hip,

5353
05:38:21,480 --> 05:38:26,360
at one point you could come to crypto with an idea,

5354
05:38:26,940 --> 05:38:28,660
essentially, in a business case,

5355
05:38:29,140 --> 05:38:30,420
and you were quick to get funding.

5356
05:38:30,540 --> 05:38:32,620
And I think really it's market conditions as well.

5357
05:38:32,660 --> 05:38:33,780
I don't think that's a way either.

5358
05:38:33,900 --> 05:38:38,320
I think at one point there'll be stupid people,

5359
05:38:38,400 --> 05:38:39,800
probably me, I'll probably be one of them,

5360
05:38:39,880 --> 05:38:42,780
buying NFTs again, memes again,

5361
05:38:42,780 --> 05:38:46,420
and doing the same shit that I tell myself I shouldn't do.

5362
05:38:46,720 --> 05:38:53,860
in this space. But the best thing you can do is try to prove it at a small scale if you can

5363
05:38:53,860 --> 05:39:00,140
and try to do like an MVP. And if you're trying to go after like financial things,

5364
05:39:00,760 --> 05:39:06,360
do like fillers, right? So get on LinkedIn, find people that's in that business and have a

5365
05:39:06,360 --> 05:39:13,300
questionnaire and run it through them like 20 times and just try to get a filler for the people

5366
05:39:13,300 --> 05:39:15,260
that are in that industry or in that market.

5367
05:39:15,380 --> 05:39:16,940
It might not be in the crypto market.

5368
05:39:17,060 --> 05:39:18,580
They might be in the Web2 market

5369
05:39:18,580 --> 05:39:22,140
and just interview the fuck out of multiple people.

5370
05:39:22,240 --> 05:39:23,440
And then you come back and say,

5371
05:39:23,540 --> 05:39:25,380
hey, look, I interviewed, you know,

5372
05:39:25,620 --> 05:39:28,380
20 people or 100 people or however many,

5373
05:39:28,620 --> 05:39:30,120
however far you want to go and said,

5374
05:39:30,420 --> 05:39:31,380
of these 100 people,

5375
05:39:31,440 --> 05:39:33,000
people thought this was a great use case.

5376
05:39:33,100 --> 05:39:34,060
Here's what they didn't like.

5377
05:39:34,340 --> 05:39:35,360
Here's what they did like.

5378
05:39:35,360 --> 05:39:37,500
And you start building off of that.

5379
05:39:38,160 --> 05:39:39,280
And then you'll have people

5380
05:39:39,280 --> 05:39:41,580
that are more willing to invest revenue

5381
05:39:41,580 --> 05:39:43,200
once it comes time for capital

5382
05:39:43,200 --> 05:39:48,140
acquisition would be how I would approach that personally.

5383
05:39:50,240 --> 05:39:52,580
Yeah, this is a little bit. Yeah, go ahead.

5384
05:39:53,380 --> 05:39:59,820
Sorry. Just one thing, because I was a little unclear exactly what the intention was there. But

5385
05:39:59,820 --> 05:40:10,980
if you take your proposal and put it together, you can present it to like Eva and even Jack can

5386
05:40:10,980 --> 05:40:15,660
possibly give you some feedback on it before you try to implement.

5387
05:40:16,320 --> 05:40:18,000
And then you could kind of go from there.

5388
05:40:18,320 --> 05:40:21,080
Maybe they could escalate it or give you tips as well.

5389
05:40:21,500 --> 05:40:24,580
Well, Johnny, they also have those programs too, depending on which one.

5390
05:40:24,660 --> 05:40:27,080
They have like those, the multiple different programs.

5391
05:40:27,080 --> 05:40:29,600
And depending on where you're at and what kind of team you have,

5392
05:40:30,320 --> 05:40:34,600
presenting them to those different programs to get funding.

5393
05:40:36,120 --> 05:40:37,040
If you really want to pass it.

5394
05:40:37,040 --> 05:40:41,040
So if you give them a proposal, this is what I want to plan.

5395
05:40:41,500 --> 05:40:43,180
This is how I plan on scaling it.

5396
05:40:43,260 --> 05:40:44,520
This is my proof of concept.

5397
05:40:45,120 --> 05:40:46,720
This is what I would need to start.

5398
05:40:47,080 --> 05:40:47,780
Now, hold on a second.

5399
05:40:48,480 --> 05:40:50,400
I know you're talking here.

5400
05:40:50,660 --> 05:40:51,040
Sorry.

5401
05:40:51,640 --> 05:40:52,640
Let me check on something.

5402
05:40:53,600 --> 05:40:53,860
Okay.

5403
05:40:53,960 --> 05:40:54,720
Follow us down there.

5404
05:40:54,920 --> 05:40:56,200
Down there in the list of this, right?

5405
05:40:56,700 --> 05:40:59,540
There's this person called Maya Villa.

5406
05:41:00,440 --> 05:41:01,840
Maya Mahajila?

5407
05:41:03,120 --> 05:41:03,720
You know what I'm talking about?

5408
05:41:04,440 --> 05:41:04,840
Maya Villa?

5409
05:41:04,840 --> 05:41:07,120
Yeah, is that Satoshi's bride?

5410
05:41:09,520 --> 05:41:10,960
Yeah, I see her.

5411
05:41:13,260 --> 05:41:14,500
Isn't she just up here?

5412
05:41:16,060 --> 05:41:16,820
I'm telling you.

5413
05:41:17,320 --> 05:41:19,260
Falcon Heavy. I don't give a fuck.

5414
05:41:19,780 --> 05:41:21,820
Isn't Satoshi's bride a speaker right now?

5415
05:41:23,180 --> 05:41:23,480
Well,

5416
05:41:25,520 --> 05:41:26,280
Satoshi's bride,

5417
05:41:26,380 --> 05:41:27,160
is that your alt account?

5418
05:41:27,660 --> 05:41:30,360
Before I boot it to Mars

5419
05:41:30,360 --> 05:41:32,420
on the starship.

5420
05:41:34,840 --> 05:41:37,520
Yeah, they got the Night Sky.

5421
05:41:38,140 --> 05:41:40,060
They got a bunch of different programs.

5422
05:41:40,600 --> 05:41:41,960
If you want to...

5423
05:41:41,960 --> 05:41:42,740
Oh, I'm saying...

5424
05:41:42,740 --> 05:41:43,080
Let's get this.

5425
05:41:43,080 --> 05:41:43,260
Let's get this.

5426
05:41:43,260 --> 05:41:43,400
Let's get this.

5427
05:41:43,400 --> 05:41:43,780
Let's get this.

5428
05:41:44,960 --> 05:41:45,480
Hello?

5429
05:41:46,800 --> 05:41:47,240
Yo?

5430
05:41:49,920 --> 05:41:50,980
It's Ocean Bride.

5431
05:41:56,100 --> 05:41:58,760
She getting fucking booed the fuck out of here.

5432
05:41:59,720 --> 05:42:01,740
Now they want to vote.

5433
05:42:02,440 --> 05:42:03,440
And play.

5434
05:42:04,840 --> 05:42:13,000
and blocked actually we're blocking this shit maybe i don't think that other one was uh

5435
05:42:13,000 --> 05:42:16,440
it don't matter you're another collateral damage

5436
05:42:16,440 --> 05:42:25,180
i'm surprised you had her up as speaker the whole time but i didn't i didn't i would have

5437
05:42:25,180 --> 05:42:31,840
never let her ass up here oh really no in my absence she's snug up here you know

5438
05:42:31,840 --> 05:42:36,540
He was fucking like hiding out inside.

5439
05:42:36,760 --> 05:42:37,080
I was like.

5440
05:42:37,080 --> 05:42:38,360
Yeah, he was LARPing.

5441
05:42:38,980 --> 05:42:39,620
LARPing.

5442
05:42:40,820 --> 05:42:43,460
I think she was up here since Charles.

5443
05:42:43,700 --> 05:42:44,640
No, it was like right up here.

5444
05:42:44,640 --> 05:42:45,360
No way.

5445
05:42:45,480 --> 05:42:47,960
No, she was when I went to go eat dinner and stuff.

5446
05:42:48,040 --> 05:42:52,800
Somehow she slithered her way because, you know, Phil is far nicer.

5447
05:42:54,480 --> 05:42:55,620
You know what I mean?

5448
05:42:56,240 --> 05:42:58,860
And it might have been Lucas, actually.

5449
05:42:59,180 --> 05:43:00,600
Lucas, because that's the same maker.

5450
05:43:00,600 --> 05:43:01,660
that is

5451
05:43:01,660 --> 05:43:03,620
what's that you Lucas?

5452
05:43:03,760 --> 05:43:05,440
you were a co-host too bro

5453
05:43:05,440 --> 05:43:07,500
you were a co-host too

5454
05:43:07,500 --> 05:43:08,560
when

5455
05:43:08,560 --> 05:43:10,520
I went to go eat dinner

5456
05:43:10,520 --> 05:43:11,860
I didn't let anybody up

5457
05:43:11,860 --> 05:43:12,400
to be honest

5458
05:43:12,400 --> 05:43:14,480
I'm just making sure bro

5459
05:43:14,480 --> 05:43:16,480
I know that it matters

5460
05:43:16,480 --> 05:43:17,560
he let everybody up

5461
05:43:17,560 --> 05:43:19,360
I know that it matters

5462
05:43:19,360 --> 05:43:19,940
but you know

5463
05:43:19,940 --> 05:43:21,460
I don't feel like I'm on trial

5464
05:43:21,460 --> 05:43:21,980
we chillin'

5465
05:43:22,320 --> 05:43:24,580
I can't stand that one person

5466
05:43:24,580 --> 05:43:25,980
I understand

5467
05:43:25,980 --> 05:43:30,440
it doesn't bother me

5468
05:43:30,600 --> 05:43:33,120
that you can't stand them.

5469
05:43:33,280 --> 05:43:33,980
So we're good.

5470
05:43:34,840 --> 05:43:35,580
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5471
05:43:35,760 --> 05:43:38,780
No, like, I mean, a person with at least 12 fucking accounts

5472
05:43:38,780 --> 05:43:40,860
that continues to rotate,

5473
05:43:41,000 --> 05:43:42,480
it's kind of like a Bikram, right?

5474
05:43:42,800 --> 05:43:45,320
Why do they need 12 accounts?

5475
05:43:45,980 --> 05:43:46,840
Think about that.

5476
05:43:47,480 --> 05:43:47,940
You know what I'm saying?

5477
05:43:47,940 --> 05:43:51,660
I mean, it's two possibilities.

5478
05:43:52,340 --> 05:43:52,900
Which one?

5479
05:43:53,400 --> 05:43:56,400
Either, just in general for this type of person, right?

5480
05:43:56,960 --> 05:43:59,400
Either they're up to something nefarious,

5481
05:43:59,400 --> 05:44:02,740
or they're just big trolling.

5482
05:44:03,360 --> 05:44:05,800
Or they have some kind of weird mental

5483
05:44:05,800 --> 05:44:07,640
kind of disposition

5484
05:44:07,640 --> 05:44:10,480
that makes them think that that's normal behavior.

5485
05:44:11,180 --> 05:44:13,100
Both, which I don't want to be around,

5486
05:44:13,220 --> 05:44:13,740
to be honest.

5487
05:44:16,420 --> 05:44:17,220
Are we back, bro?

5488
05:44:17,220 --> 05:44:18,220
Are we building on Cardano again?

5489
05:44:18,860 --> 05:44:19,480
No, no, no.

5490
05:44:19,480 --> 05:44:20,800
We ain't building on old Canton.

5491
05:44:22,220 --> 05:44:24,300
I think that Night Sky,

5492
05:44:24,600 --> 05:44:26,880
the application date closes tomorrow,

5493
05:44:27,020 --> 05:44:27,760
I believe, right?

5494
05:44:27,900 --> 05:44:29,120
To be really honest, bro,

5495
05:44:29,120 --> 05:44:29,560
Okay.

5496
05:44:30,520 --> 05:44:32,060
This is going to be hard to say.

5497
05:44:32,780 --> 05:44:33,400
This is a thing.

5498
05:44:34,660 --> 05:44:35,820
We need all the money.

5499
05:44:36,500 --> 05:44:37,720
I'm sorry we can't share it.

5500
05:44:38,040 --> 05:44:39,220
We can only share it with the boys.

5501
05:44:39,640 --> 05:44:40,960
You can sign up to be one of the boys.

5502
05:44:41,320 --> 05:44:43,440
This is the problem, Michael.

5503
05:44:43,540 --> 05:44:44,000
This is the problem.

5504
05:44:44,560 --> 05:44:48,460
Every once in a while, you have this glimmer of hope.

5505
05:44:48,460 --> 05:44:50,380
This glimmer of things.

5506
05:44:50,780 --> 05:44:52,340
There's certain things that happen

5507
05:44:52,340 --> 05:44:53,840
that you're like, okay.

5508
05:44:55,540 --> 05:44:56,420
We're cooking.

5509
05:44:56,420 --> 05:44:57,860
and then

5510
05:44:57,860 --> 05:45:01,780
somehow, someway, it just all falls apart again.

5511
05:45:03,780 --> 05:45:04,440
Like, for example,

5512
05:45:05,300 --> 05:45:05,640
you know what I mean?

5513
05:45:05,660 --> 05:45:05,980
Seesaw.

5514
05:45:07,040 --> 05:45:08,360
Oh, Seesaw.

5515
05:45:08,480 --> 05:45:09,820
I blocked all that shit.

5516
05:45:09,920 --> 05:45:11,260
I said Seesaw.

5517
05:45:12,260 --> 05:45:12,480
Oh.

5518
05:45:15,480 --> 05:45:16,140
That's cool.

5519
05:45:16,280 --> 05:45:17,780
That's TTS, John.

5520
05:45:19,260 --> 05:45:21,520
No, Lucas wasn't here yesterday.

5521
05:45:22,920 --> 05:45:24,620
I saw some of the

5522
05:45:24,620 --> 05:45:27,600
the conversation, but I didn't listen.

5523
05:45:28,880 --> 05:45:29,800
I know. It was funny.

5524
05:45:30,320 --> 05:45:31,600
Sean shows up and then

5525
05:45:31,600 --> 05:45:33,540
boom, he

5526
05:45:33,540 --> 05:45:35,740
immediately does his John

5527
05:45:35,740 --> 05:45:37,780
thing. He does the most John things.

5528
05:45:39,400 --> 05:45:40,120
I like

5529
05:45:40,120 --> 05:45:41,700
John. I like John as a person,

5530
05:45:42,220 --> 05:45:43,140
but then he

5531
05:45:43,140 --> 05:45:45,580
turns a conversation into shit that is

5532
05:45:45,580 --> 05:45:47,640
kind of hard to tolerate.

5533
05:45:48,180 --> 05:45:49,360
Anyway, it don't matter.

5534
05:45:51,520 --> 05:45:52,520
My last

5535
05:45:52,520 --> 05:45:54,120
little bit

5536
05:45:54,120 --> 05:45:57,760
that I got towards Casper with a C

5537
05:45:57,760 --> 05:46:02,680
is alpha growth, right?

5538
05:46:04,560 --> 05:46:08,180
If the ecosystem commits to

5539
05:46:08,180 --> 05:46:12,820
pushing a thriving DeFi ecosystem

5540
05:46:12,820 --> 05:46:15,360
in which people can put, you know,

5541
05:46:15,600 --> 05:46:17,340
after all the evaluation and all that bullshit,

5542
05:46:17,480 --> 05:46:18,680
because obviously it's a long road.

5543
05:46:19,900 --> 05:46:22,820
But if there's a commitment towards

5544
05:46:22,820 --> 05:46:24,920
targeting the market that exists

5545
05:46:24,920 --> 05:46:26,880
rather than the market

5546
05:46:26,880 --> 05:46:29,420
that they want

5547
05:46:29,420 --> 05:46:30,820
to fantasize about

5548
05:46:30,820 --> 05:46:32,980
it's a big difference

5549
05:46:32,980 --> 05:46:34,940
and I'm here for that

5550
05:46:34,940 --> 05:46:36,340
but like

5551
05:46:36,340 --> 05:46:38,420
so we'll see

5552
05:46:38,420 --> 05:46:41,320
and it should be defined within the next few weeks

5553
05:46:41,320 --> 05:46:54,460
I'm about to be a vibe coder on lean though

5554
05:46:54,460 --> 05:46:55,700
I'm about to tell you know

5555
05:46:55,700 --> 05:46:56,220
TypeScript

5556
05:46:56,220 --> 05:46:58,840
A vibe coder on hetero

5557
05:46:58,840 --> 05:47:00,060
Yeah

5558
05:47:00,060 --> 05:47:03,760
What the fuck's so fucking funny bro

5559
05:47:03,760 --> 05:47:05,720
I want to vibe lean

5560
05:47:05,720 --> 05:47:06,520
I don't believe you

5561
05:47:06,520 --> 05:47:08,300
I want to lean to vibe

5562
05:47:08,300 --> 05:47:09,980
I want to fucking

5563
05:47:09,980 --> 05:47:11,500
hyper hetero.

5564
05:47:11,600 --> 05:47:12,660
Welcome back.

5565
05:47:15,420 --> 05:47:16,820
I'm not quite here.

5566
05:47:16,820 --> 05:47:19,020
I'm not quite yet going to abandon Phil.

5567
05:47:19,580 --> 05:47:21,980
Phil, I'm going to be a vibe coder

5568
05:47:21,980 --> 05:47:23,380
on lean, bro.

5569
05:47:23,620 --> 05:47:24,280
You know what I'm saying?

5570
05:47:25,180 --> 05:47:26,580
Lean with the spight, bro.

5571
05:47:27,600 --> 05:47:28,920
Lean with me, Rob.

5572
05:47:32,500 --> 05:47:33,600
Just too hetero.

5573
05:47:34,320 --> 05:47:36,460
If the extension don't go through,

5574
05:47:36,600 --> 05:47:37,580
these are hurdles, right?

5575
05:47:37,620 --> 05:47:38,220
Like the Olympics.

5576
05:47:38,220 --> 05:47:40,320
You got to do the hurdles first

5577
05:47:40,320 --> 05:47:41,300
Jump on the chain

5578
05:47:41,300 --> 05:47:42,060
And you got to be like

5579
05:47:42,060 --> 05:47:43,840
Hussein Bolt

5580
05:47:43,840 --> 05:47:45,360
I got a picture of him

5581
05:47:45,360 --> 05:47:47,380
Signed on my wall right now

5582
05:47:47,380 --> 05:47:47,800
No cap

5583
05:47:47,800 --> 05:47:48,560
Hussein?

5584
05:47:49,220 --> 05:47:50,240
Yeah, Hussein Bolt

5585
05:47:50,240 --> 05:47:51,440
You saying?

5586
05:47:51,920 --> 05:47:53,100
Whatever, man

5587
05:47:53,100 --> 05:47:55,780
Hussein, bro

5588
05:47:55,780 --> 05:47:57,560
Let me take a picture of this

5589
05:47:57,560 --> 05:47:59,160
Hussein

5590
05:47:59,160 --> 05:48:01,480
Hussein Bolt, bro

5591
05:48:01,480 --> 05:48:02,760
What did he say?

5592
05:48:03,520 --> 05:48:04,400
Saddam Bolt

5593
05:48:04,400 --> 05:48:06,140
Hussein

5594
05:48:06,140 --> 05:48:08,180
Hussein in the membrane

5595
05:48:08,180 --> 05:48:10,480
I'm going to take a picture.

5596
05:48:10,580 --> 05:48:11,680
I'm going to take a picture right there.

5597
05:48:12,260 --> 05:48:14,540
I got an autograph for December 1st.

5598
05:48:14,720 --> 05:48:15,900
He was in Portland one time.

5599
05:48:17,500 --> 05:48:19,300
I'll post it so you don't think I'm capping.

5600
05:48:22,440 --> 05:48:23,780
So you went to a ditty party?

5601
05:48:26,580 --> 05:48:27,140
What's that?

5602
05:48:27,300 --> 05:48:27,580
What happened?

5603
05:48:28,400 --> 05:48:29,800
We're just straight guys, bro.

5604
05:48:29,800 --> 05:48:30,720
Don't be fucking tripping.

5605
05:48:31,500 --> 05:48:32,980
Lucas was at the ditty party.

5606
05:48:33,100 --> 05:48:34,560
I seen it on this guy.

5607
05:48:35,140 --> 05:48:36,740
Bro, I would have fucking went, bro.

5608
05:48:36,860 --> 05:48:37,640
I don't give a fuck.

5609
05:48:38,180 --> 05:48:40,320
He said, I would have been in there with the baby oil.

5610
05:48:40,320 --> 05:48:40,940
I would have definitely gone.

5611
05:48:42,080 --> 05:48:43,340
I would have too.

5612
05:48:43,720 --> 05:48:47,440
You're telling me it's like, oh, all these fucking cool, famous motherfuckers.

5613
05:48:47,640 --> 05:48:51,120
I think everybody would until they heard or seen what went on.

5614
05:48:51,200 --> 05:48:53,280
I think a lot of people went and they regretted they went.

5615
05:48:53,360 --> 05:48:54,920
They're like, what is going on in that room?

5616
05:48:56,000 --> 05:48:58,200
You just got to leave by 11, bro.

5617
05:48:59,740 --> 05:49:02,140
11.05, you're too traumatized.

5618
05:49:03,360 --> 05:49:08,060
You got to leave before the temperature in the room starts warming.

5619
05:49:08,180 --> 05:49:09,940
up. You start swearing, saying,

5620
05:49:10,000 --> 05:49:11,900
all of a sudden, people are like, oh, you want some

5621
05:49:11,900 --> 05:49:13,660
baby oil? You're like, wait, what the hell is going on?

5622
05:49:13,660 --> 05:49:15,940
Once the baby oil comes out, it's time for me to get the

5623
05:49:15,940 --> 05:49:17,920
keys, you know what I mean? Where's my keys out

5624
05:49:17,920 --> 05:49:19,540
that basket, if you know what I'm talking about?

5625
05:49:21,120 --> 05:49:21,740
Damn, bro.

5626
05:49:21,760 --> 05:49:23,940
That's what the swingers do, if you guys didn't know. They put the

5627
05:49:23,940 --> 05:49:24,680
keys in the basket.

5628
05:49:26,420 --> 05:49:27,660
Bunch of vanilla fuckers.

5629
05:49:28,740 --> 05:49:29,920
Whoa. But he's

5630
05:49:29,920 --> 05:49:31,860
saying he's going to

5631
05:49:31,860 --> 05:49:32,300
hold it down.

5632
05:49:32,300 --> 05:49:33,620
Put the keys in the basket.

5633
05:49:36,580 --> 05:49:36,900
That's

5634
05:49:36,900 --> 05:49:38,520
That's selective disclosure, Johnny.

5635
05:49:38,680 --> 05:49:39,120
You see that?

5636
05:49:39,180 --> 05:49:39,820
If we were on midnight,

5637
05:49:39,960 --> 05:49:40,380
they wouldn't have to be.

5638
05:49:40,380 --> 05:49:41,220
I just took a picture.

5639
05:49:42,560 --> 05:49:44,300
I just took a picture from over here.

5640
05:49:44,940 --> 05:49:45,500
On my wall,

5641
05:49:45,700 --> 05:49:47,100
I got his same boat right there.

5642
05:49:47,180 --> 05:49:48,580
He's the fastest man in the metaverse.

5643
05:49:49,940 --> 05:49:50,580
Fastest man in the metaverse.

5644
05:49:50,680 --> 05:49:51,900
No, he's not.

5645
05:49:52,000 --> 05:49:52,820
Because Michael Phelps

5646
05:49:52,820 --> 05:49:54,100
would ghost him in the water, bro.

5647
05:49:54,680 --> 05:49:55,680
I want to see him stay

5648
05:49:55,680 --> 05:49:57,040
and try to run on water like Jesus.

5649
05:49:57,180 --> 05:49:58,120
I bet you he gets left.

5650
05:49:58,220 --> 05:49:59,460
Michael Phelps is like a finisher.

5651
05:50:00,340 --> 05:50:01,000
Hit me on.

5652
05:50:01,060 --> 05:50:02,000
Most of the earth is water.

5653
05:50:02,000 --> 05:50:04,460
Did I say the aquaverse

5654
05:50:04,460 --> 05:50:05,820
or did I say the metaverse?

5655
05:50:05,820 --> 05:50:07,440
There's water in the metaverse, bro.

5656
05:50:08,880 --> 05:50:09,420
You see that?

5657
05:50:09,820 --> 05:50:11,460
Every metaverse I've seen, they have water.

5658
05:50:11,660 --> 05:50:12,120
I didn't say aquaverse.

5659
05:50:13,280 --> 05:50:15,420
I didn't say no aquaverse, bro.

5660
05:50:15,880 --> 05:50:17,320
I said metaverse.

5661
05:50:17,940 --> 05:50:20,180
My pavia plot was on water, Esco.

5662
05:50:20,440 --> 05:50:20,820
All right?

5663
05:50:20,980 --> 05:50:22,800
My pavia plot was on water.

5664
05:50:25,320 --> 05:50:26,560
Look what you've done, cat.

5665
05:50:27,000 --> 05:50:28,580
Now I've got to go put you in another room.

5666
05:50:29,220 --> 05:50:29,960
Because you won't leave this.

5667
05:50:30,060 --> 05:50:30,620
Don't worry about it.

5668
05:50:33,120 --> 05:50:33,560
Futurism.

5669
05:50:33,680 --> 05:50:34,540
What's up, futurism?

5670
05:50:34,540 --> 05:50:42,480
you know me i always try to add some business stuff you said metaverse what about a multiverse

5671
05:50:42,480 --> 05:50:48,660
because i'm invested in that which looks exactly like for example a shop

5672
05:50:48,660 --> 05:50:56,780
is different because it looks exactly like for example a shop like a dispenser do you think that

5673
05:50:56,780 --> 05:51:01,860
clients would prefer to use that or do you think they would prefer to use the old way uh person to

5674
05:51:01,860 --> 05:51:02,200
person.

5675
05:51:03,120 --> 05:51:03,580
Hedero to

5676
05:51:03,580 --> 05:51:03,780
heather.

5677
05:51:03,980 --> 05:51:04,420
Depends on

5678
05:51:04,420 --> 05:51:04,820
the age.

5679
05:51:05,740 --> 05:51:06,440
Depends on

5680
05:51:06,440 --> 05:51:07,020
the age and

5681
05:51:07,020 --> 05:51:07,560
it depends on

5682
05:51:07,560 --> 05:51:07,860
what I'm

5683
05:51:07,860 --> 05:51:08,120
doing.

5684
05:51:12,580 --> 05:51:12,980
Wow.

5685
05:51:13,060 --> 05:51:13,380
I want you

5686
05:51:13,380 --> 05:51:13,740
guys to

5687
05:51:13,740 --> 05:51:14,140
start being

5688
05:51:14,140 --> 05:51:14,480
straight.

5689
05:51:16,160 --> 05:51:16,560
Yeah,

5690
05:51:16,720 --> 05:51:17,160
they're being

5691
05:51:17,160 --> 05:51:18,420
extra

5692
05:51:18,420 --> 05:51:19,240
testosterone

5693
05:51:19,240 --> 05:51:20,020
is going

5694
05:51:20,020 --> 05:51:20,260
everywhere.

5695
05:51:20,280 --> 05:51:20,500
I got a

5696
05:51:20,500 --> 05:51:20,820
little bit of

5697
05:51:20,820 --> 05:51:21,000
lean,

5698
05:51:21,140 --> 05:51:21,380
Lucas.

5699
05:51:21,540 --> 05:51:21,820
They're going

5700
05:51:21,820 --> 05:51:22,340
straight here.

5701
05:51:22,460 --> 05:51:23,240
We lean to

5702
05:51:23,240 --> 05:51:23,700
the left a

5703
05:51:23,700 --> 05:51:24,020
little bit.

5704
05:51:25,080 --> 05:51:25,380
Whoa.

5705
05:51:26,220 --> 05:51:26,780
Lean with

5706
05:51:26,780 --> 05:51:27,220
the spread.

5707
05:51:27,280 --> 05:51:27,700
You got to

5708
05:51:27,700 --> 05:51:28,200
cut it out.

5709
05:51:29,060 --> 05:51:29,520
The latest

5710
05:51:29,520 --> 05:51:30,060
album by

5711
05:51:30,060 --> 05:51:30,620
Young Simi.

5712
05:51:31,860 --> 05:51:33,860
I'm just kidding guys.

5713
05:51:33,860 --> 05:51:35,860
What is it? What is it? What is it? Let's play it.

5714
05:51:35,860 --> 05:51:39,860
I'm kidding. He had lean with the Sprite like one and two I think.

5715
05:51:45,860 --> 05:51:47,860
Never heard a young Simi bro?

5716
05:51:49,860 --> 05:51:53,860
It's like 2015 Florida rapper vibes bro.

5717
05:52:01,860 --> 05:52:14,540
I'm one taking it.

5718
05:52:31,860 --> 05:53:01,840
All right.

5719
05:53:01,860 --> 05:53:04,080
Teaching them games and showing them flames

5720
05:53:04,080 --> 05:53:06,320
Now they know the name, I'm whipping the grain

5721
05:53:06,320 --> 05:53:08,560
I've been in the game, giving them hell

5722
05:53:08,560 --> 05:53:10,740
So they know the name, pumping the smoke

5723
05:53:10,740 --> 05:53:13,060
Now I'm high as a plane, why she give me brain?

5724
05:53:13,200 --> 05:53:15,360
I don't know her name, blow up the lean

5725
05:53:15,360 --> 05:53:17,540
And pass it to me, send me the nigga

5726
05:53:17,540 --> 05:53:19,920
Get glasses and see that I come in peace

5727
05:53:19,920 --> 05:53:22,120
Chopper chop niggas and give them to sleep

5728
05:53:22,120 --> 05:53:24,400
Mommy is ready, she feeling on me

5729
05:53:24,400 --> 05:53:26,660
Alphabet nigga, she feeling the G

5730
05:53:26,660 --> 05:53:28,940
Ridiculous mobbing, we coming, we deep

5731
05:53:28,940 --> 05:53:31,180
Taking your girl, now she chilling with me

5732
05:53:31,180 --> 05:53:33,500
The one and the only she think it's a dream

5733
05:53:33,500 --> 05:53:35,680
Blow through tights, who got the lean?

5734
05:53:35,980 --> 05:53:37,980
Who turned up, who do it like me?

5735
05:53:38,660 --> 05:53:39,960
I like that, he do got the lean.

5736
05:53:54,300 --> 05:53:55,300
I had to play

5737
05:53:55,300 --> 05:53:56,940
Lucas' favorite song.

5738
05:53:58,700 --> 05:53:59,040
You know.

5739
05:53:59,040 --> 05:54:04,320
At the same time, you ever heard of Rich Humming Kwan?

5740
05:54:05,160 --> 05:54:06,700
Man, RIP him, man.

5741
05:54:08,520 --> 05:54:10,400
RIP Rich Humming Kwan.

5742
05:54:14,980 --> 05:54:16,740
Who remembers Nick's dream?

5743
05:54:16,740 --> 05:54:17,520
Yeah.

5744
05:54:29,040 --> 05:54:51,600
My hip bitch, that's tryna make him son, ain't no tellin', he'll do for the pay, ain't no tellin', souffle, I'm straight, I stay, my plate, shot, gate, I'm a smooth operator, I drop top of my wheel, baby, that con drivin', make you feel some type of way, I know you do, that custom right, make you feel some type of way,

5745
05:54:51,600 --> 05:54:55,260
See, bitch, young boy, got me feeling some type of way.

5746
05:54:55,700 --> 05:54:58,700
Easy, cuz my homie's rich, you feel some type of way.

5747
05:54:58,720 --> 05:55:00,500
Do that right to some type of way.

5748
05:55:00,700 --> 05:55:02,280
Make you feel some type of way.

5749
05:55:02,940 --> 05:55:06,000
If she wanna fuck me, know you feel some type of way.

5750
05:55:06,880 --> 05:55:09,380
Mr. CEO, it's what my title say.

5751
05:55:09,720 --> 05:55:12,960
Me and my homie, see your hoe, he feel some type of way.

5752
05:55:13,380 --> 05:55:16,460
Okay, now let me real, I know you feel some type of way.

5753
05:55:17,100 --> 05:55:20,020
When I get the bite on her, yeah, she make that Tyson face.

5754
05:55:20,020 --> 05:55:20,900
Don't look like that.

5755
05:55:20,900 --> 05:55:23,640
I drive down to my knee thankful for life today

5756
05:55:23,640 --> 05:55:24,460
Thank you, love

5757
05:55:24,460 --> 05:55:25,980
No nap since long sleep

5758
05:55:25,980 --> 05:55:27,160
Have a name

5759
05:55:27,160 --> 05:55:30,720
I can tell if he 12 right away

5760
05:55:30,720 --> 05:55:34,220
Go through hell cause I can move you far away

5761
05:55:34,220 --> 05:55:37,800
Drop you off late, no feel some type of way

5762
05:55:37,800 --> 05:55:41,460
I got hoes like golf tryna make what Tiger made

5763
05:55:41,460 --> 05:55:43,140
I gotta hide away

5764
05:55:43,140 --> 05:55:46,760
And I go down sometimes to get my mind a break

5765
05:55:46,760 --> 05:55:49,060
I find a way to whack

5766
05:55:49,060 --> 05:55:50,840
To still get to the struggle

5767
05:55:50,840 --> 05:55:52,180
What I'm trying to say

5768
05:55:52,180 --> 05:55:53,680
Can't ain't lying to death

5769
05:55:53,680 --> 05:55:55,280
When I tell you that I love

5770
05:55:55,280 --> 05:55:56,560
My little bitch

5771
05:55:56,560 --> 05:55:58,720
That's trying to make him sense

5772
05:55:58,720 --> 05:56:01,440
Ain't no time to kill you for the place

5773
05:56:01,440 --> 05:56:07,700
Lucas is listening to all sorts of historic shit

5774
05:56:07,700 --> 05:56:09,420
Well, what's Lucas listening to?

5775
05:56:11,280 --> 05:56:12,380
Oh, in the background?

5776
05:56:13,780 --> 05:56:15,320
Let's see what this one's about

5777
05:56:15,320 --> 05:56:16,820
Sabrina Carpenter

5778
05:56:16,820 --> 05:56:17,420
Let's see

5779
05:56:17,420 --> 05:56:17,920
Mm-mm.

5780
05:56:17,920 --> 05:56:18,820
That's it.

5781
05:56:19,560 --> 05:56:20,760
The full history of the...

5782
05:56:20,760 --> 05:56:21,600
I've already seen this one.

5783
05:56:25,020 --> 05:56:25,940
I'm going to turn that off.

5784
05:56:37,260 --> 05:56:38,100
Are you ready?

5785
05:56:38,980 --> 05:56:39,380
Okay.

5786
05:56:47,420 --> 05:57:00,720
I don't plan on stopping at all.

5787
05:57:01,380 --> 05:57:02,580
I want this shit forever.

5788
05:57:02,740 --> 05:57:03,760
Never mind.

5789
05:57:03,860 --> 05:57:04,420
Never mind.

5790
05:57:04,460 --> 05:57:06,540
I shut this shit down in the mall.

5791
05:57:07,460 --> 05:57:08,580
It's selling that girl.

5792
05:57:08,640 --> 05:57:10,200
She the one for me.

5793
05:57:10,500 --> 05:57:12,440
And I ain't need a plan in the car.

5794
05:57:13,500 --> 05:57:14,580
I want this shit forever.

5795
05:57:14,580 --> 05:57:15,180
Never mind.

5796
05:57:15,280 --> 05:57:15,960
Never mind.

5797
05:57:16,140 --> 05:57:16,700
Never mind.

5798
05:57:17,420 --> 05:57:36,720
trying to trying to think hypothetically so let me give you the scenario you tell me what i should

5799
05:57:36,720 --> 05:57:44,080
think another vertical all right so last year i i was with tracks nyc in a final round interview

5800
05:57:44,080 --> 05:57:51,760
with uh mickey you know the the guys that sell jewelry in new york city yeah yeah you know three

5801
05:57:51,760 --> 05:57:59,280
and a half mil a month or so if you look at their uh page right now uh they made a post with soft

5802
05:57:59,280 --> 05:58:07,200
sophie rain so this is a convergence between two industries that i never thought that would converge

5803
05:58:07,200 --> 05:58:08,160
And they just did.

5804
05:58:08,940 --> 05:58:17,600
And so from a pure perspective of me talking about 20 to 30 million, 30x, 50x valuation, 1 billion unicorn.

5805
05:58:17,980 --> 05:58:24,880
If you take a jewelry company that has three and a half mil revenue per month, a.k.a. up to 40 something million a year.

5806
05:58:25,400 --> 05:58:34,140
If you were to convert that with, I don't know, some tech, crypto, whatever, and you put it at 30x valuation, there's your 1 billion unicorn.

5807
05:58:34,140 --> 05:58:40,200
But I did not expect now for it to tweak in this direction.

5808
05:58:40,860 --> 05:58:42,900
Because you have two signs of the coin, right?

5809
05:58:42,980 --> 05:58:51,460
You have Mr. Beast with Mystic Pictures that doesn't want anything adult associated with any of his shootings.

5810
05:58:51,960 --> 05:58:53,720
I mean, like video content, I mean.

5811
05:58:54,200 --> 05:58:57,240
And he has BlackRock behind him, tries to IPO out of 5 billion.

5812
05:58:57,700 --> 05:59:01,240
And then you have this use case in which, you know, a little bit involved.

5813
05:59:01,240 --> 05:59:10,600
I have like 100 plus listings of Rolexes and Philippe, all the famous brands on an arbitrage listed on Facebook Marketplace.

5814
05:59:10,700 --> 05:59:11,880
I get some inquiries here and there.

5815
05:59:12,240 --> 05:59:17,760
But I'm trying to figure out on which side of the aisle do we stand here as a community?

5816
05:59:17,980 --> 05:59:22,760
Because Charles can be, you know, on the side of the aisle, like there's no limits.

5817
05:59:23,160 --> 05:59:27,040
Any use cases you can find for a midnight cardinal, he's all for it.

5818
05:59:27,600 --> 05:59:28,860
But then again, all day.

5819
05:59:29,740 --> 05:59:30,080
I'm sorry.

5820
05:59:30,080 --> 05:59:32,080
Gooner gang all day.

5821
05:59:32,080 --> 05:59:32,840
Okay.

5822
05:59:32,840 --> 05:59:33,840
All right.

5823
05:59:33,840 --> 05:59:36,840
So it depends.

5824
05:59:36,840 --> 05:59:37,840
Once again, right?

5825
05:59:37,840 --> 05:59:42,840
I think even though it might be a good idea, sometimes partnering with...

5826
05:59:42,840 --> 05:59:43,840
Okay.

5827
05:59:43,840 --> 05:59:44,840
All right.

5828
05:59:44,840 --> 05:59:46,840
There we are.

5829
05:59:46,840 --> 05:59:47,840
Man.

5830
05:59:47,840 --> 05:59:52,840
Is this the big one song?

5831
05:59:52,840 --> 05:59:55,060
This is the Bitcoin song.

5832
06:00:01,740 --> 06:00:04,680
All right, Bitcoin. Here we go.

5833
06:00:22,840 --> 06:00:24,840
i've sent us a grandma from dago and next to you

5834
06:00:24,840 --> 06:00:28,680
i'm trying to make sure that our canadian brothers are taking care of me

5835
06:00:28,680 --> 06:00:31,160
oof

5836
06:00:35,160 --> 06:00:41,320
so i think dr oz was saying something yeah so it depends right i think a lot of like community

5837
06:00:41,320 --> 06:00:48,600
people's been here so long like we had elsa gene uh in the bull run got rugs we had snoop dog

5838
06:00:48,600 --> 06:00:49,440
and the bulldog.

5839
06:00:49,760 --> 06:00:50,400
We didn't know what I was talking about.

5840
06:00:50,400 --> 06:00:51,340
I mean, no, ecosystem.

5841
06:00:51,680 --> 06:00:52,180
Not we.

5842
06:00:52,320 --> 06:00:53,800
Everybody's like, I mean, they were here.

5843
06:00:54,440 --> 06:00:57,700
Celebrities and big-name people with ideas.

5844
06:00:57,940 --> 06:01:02,000
Baron Davis even came with the bad Santas or whatever.

5845
06:01:02,700 --> 06:01:04,480
When there's big celebrities' names.

5846
06:01:04,480 --> 06:01:07,340
They didn't come to the eco, bro.

5847
06:01:07,420 --> 06:01:08,840
They came to collect the check.

5848
06:01:08,840 --> 06:01:09,340
Exactly.

5849
06:01:09,340 --> 06:01:12,440
And that's where a lot of perception of people,

5850
06:01:12,640 --> 06:01:15,580
when you attach your names to people outside,

5851
06:01:15,580 --> 06:01:19,580
Really the best way to do it in this space

5852
06:01:19,580 --> 06:01:22,700
Sadly is either one prove use case or two

5853
06:01:22,700 --> 06:01:24,780
Bang off on KPIs

5854
06:01:24,780 --> 06:01:26,540
We're from France

5855
06:01:26,540 --> 06:01:30,340
In my opinion

5856
06:01:30,340 --> 06:01:33,600
I wouldn't attach my name to any celebrity

5857
06:01:33,600 --> 06:01:36,360
In my head once I see you're attached to big money

5858
06:01:36,360 --> 06:01:38,420
I think you guys are going to liquidate on me

5859
06:01:38,420 --> 06:01:41,220
I want to see big money put money in

5860
06:01:41,220 --> 06:01:43,200
And you don't see that right now

5861
06:01:43,200 --> 06:01:50,240
this most big names come near to extract like like they were said we're about to extract like a

5862
06:01:50,240 --> 06:02:04,460
motherfucker let's go let's go let's go super cycle uh i think um was it johnny mentioned something

5863
06:02:04,460 --> 06:02:10,700
about eva and john that can give out a proposal i can think of one use case that i could reach out

5864
06:02:10,700 --> 06:02:11,580
Let's see what happens.

5865
06:02:12,160 --> 06:02:16,940
So you know that in the U.S. you have all these Greek fraternities in college and sororities.

5866
06:02:17,280 --> 06:02:18,800
All of them have voting system.

5867
06:02:18,920 --> 06:02:32,600
I don't know whether you guys have ever been part of a fraternity, but usually during chapter night, whether it's the initiation of new people, whether it's voting on positions or whatever else, people usually go with an Excel sheet.

5868
06:02:32,760 --> 06:02:37,600
People come in, come out, and are voted for positions and stuff like that.

5869
06:02:37,600 --> 06:02:43,880
um and that's millions and millions of members um what do you think on

5870
06:02:43,880 --> 06:02:51,940
that use case of maybe offering um like some kind of a partnership with all the greek

5871
06:02:51,940 --> 06:03:00,020
sororities and fraternities what do you think on that so what once again it goes back to you i

5872
06:03:00,020 --> 06:03:07,100
would go to some seniorities or whatever talk about how many would use it um do they know

5873
06:03:07,100 --> 06:03:12,900
crypto kind of get a filler because you might have a great fucking idea but if no one's going to use

5874
06:03:12,900 --> 06:03:19,380
it there's no product market fit um so instead of just necessarily shooting ideas to have an idea

5875
06:03:19,380 --> 06:03:25,220
i just dig in the areas you're comfortable with the areas you know that you already have to be

5876
06:03:25,220 --> 06:03:29,980
familiar with rather than just so i understand the process of having a hundred thousand eight

5877
06:03:29,980 --> 06:03:35,520
at the end of request the treasury withdrawal but i still do not have a direct way of understanding

5878
06:03:35,520 --> 06:03:38,440
and which are the emails for seniority.

5879
06:03:38,740 --> 06:03:40,660
Last year when I was at Rare Evo,

5880
06:03:41,080 --> 06:03:44,160
I got like a few emails from Input Output.

5881
06:03:45,080 --> 06:03:47,780
You know, I've sent them quite a lot of emails,

5882
06:03:48,060 --> 06:03:49,340
obviously less replies.

5883
06:03:49,560 --> 06:03:52,740
And Phil said that they're quite stretched thin right now.

5884
06:03:53,080 --> 06:03:54,880
So I'm still trying to figure out

5885
06:03:54,880 --> 06:03:57,800
which seniority would respond to me

5886
06:03:57,800 --> 06:03:59,680
from a customer service perspective

5887
06:03:59,680 --> 06:04:01,360
a little bit more often than once.

5888
06:04:03,320 --> 06:04:05,100
None of them are going to probably listen to you.

5889
06:04:05,100 --> 06:04:07,540
I'm talking about, I thought you meant like Greek seniorities in colleges.

5890
06:04:07,820 --> 06:04:10,260
I was talking about reaching out to those and see if they would use it.

5891
06:04:10,260 --> 06:04:10,580
Oh, no.

5892
06:04:10,700 --> 06:04:12,560
I know the presidents of some of them.

5893
06:04:12,760 --> 06:04:13,460
I already know that.

5894
06:04:13,460 --> 06:04:20,880
If they have something that can be associated with a partnership that could potentially make money, they would be in theory interested.

5895
06:04:21,500 --> 06:04:27,180
The point here is on the governance Cardano and IOHK side.

5896
06:04:27,400 --> 06:04:32,240
That's where I'm trying to understand what seniority can I send proposals to.

5897
06:04:32,240 --> 06:04:36,020
You know, Johnny said Eva and John usually look at proposals.

5898
06:04:36,220 --> 06:04:37,240
Who are those people?

5899
06:04:37,680 --> 06:04:44,380
I sent you a DM with Eva's name already when you asked like 35 minutes ago.

5900
06:04:46,160 --> 06:04:46,800
Oh, great.

5901
06:04:46,860 --> 06:04:47,680
I'm noticing it now.

5902
06:04:47,780 --> 06:04:49,680
Is that the only person or are there other people?

5903
06:04:52,040 --> 06:04:54,960
That's the one that at midnight that I knew I could send you to.

5904
06:04:55,140 --> 06:04:56,840
I'm not going to send you to other people.

5905
06:04:56,980 --> 06:04:58,940
That's what I thought you were asking.

5906
06:04:59,900 --> 06:05:00,760
What are you looking for?

5907
06:05:00,760 --> 06:05:01,820
You want me to give you all that?

5908
06:05:01,840 --> 06:05:02,060
That's great.

5909
06:05:02,240 --> 06:05:06,020
No, if that's for midnight, that's great.

5910
06:05:06,160 --> 06:05:07,620
What about...

5911
06:05:07,620 --> 06:05:10,780
Are you strictly on midnight, or do you dabble in Cardano as well?

5912
06:05:11,140 --> 06:05:12,240
You want Frederick's number?

5913
06:05:13,380 --> 06:05:15,380
We text Frederick Guards.

5914
06:05:15,420 --> 06:05:16,940
I can get that for you, too, if you really want.

5915
06:05:18,820 --> 06:05:20,640
Well, I don't want to sound spammy.

5916
06:05:20,640 --> 06:05:24,460
Obviously, I'll be very curated and just send a one-time text,

5917
06:05:24,580 --> 06:05:25,720
but it's probably going to be long.

5918
06:05:26,200 --> 06:05:27,460
He's probably not going to respond.

5919
06:05:28,220 --> 06:05:31,140
Yeah, email's the best way to get a hold of him.

5920
06:05:31,140 --> 06:05:33,980
Or you could send him a LinkedIn.

5921
06:05:34,980 --> 06:05:39,240
They're probably more privy to reach out to Cardano Foundation on LinkedIn

5922
06:05:39,240 --> 06:05:41,740
than on X or anywhere else.

5923
06:05:41,920 --> 06:05:42,240
All right.

5924
06:05:42,240 --> 06:05:46,040
I'll just go on LinkedIn and stop messaging all of them then.

5925
06:05:46,340 --> 06:05:46,780
Thank you.

5926
06:06:01,140 --> 06:06:06,400
All right, back to the fun.

5927
06:06:06,400 --> 06:06:08,280
Let's go put back on the music.

5928
06:06:08,280 --> 06:06:11,460
I heard Mike Rappruss was rapping the last one.

5929
06:06:11,460 --> 06:06:12,900
There you go.

5930
06:06:12,900 --> 06:06:14,900
There you go.

5931
06:06:14,900 --> 06:06:17,720
Crazy on baby.

5932
06:06:44,900 --> 06:06:45,900
They sent me, dawg

5933
06:06:45,900 --> 06:06:49,140
I just broke off with a 10-piece, dawg

5934
06:06:49,140 --> 06:06:51,900
There ain't nothing, I'm just being friendly, dawg

5935
06:06:51,900 --> 06:06:55,860
It's just a little 10-piece for it just to blow it in the mob

5936
06:06:55,860 --> 06:06:57,280
Doesn't mean that we involved

5937
06:06:57,280 --> 06:06:57,860
I just what?

5938
06:06:58,020 --> 06:07:00,080
I just put a rigid on the card

5939
06:07:00,080 --> 06:07:01,420
I ain't gonna play a ball

5940
06:07:01,420 --> 06:07:03,600
But I'll show you how the fuck you gotta do it

5941
06:07:03,600 --> 06:07:04,920
If you really wanna fall

5942
06:07:04,920 --> 06:07:07,080
Take a while when you're back against the wall

5943
06:07:07,080 --> 06:07:09,840
And I want your niggas need you to go away

5944
06:07:09,840 --> 06:07:12,060
I'm going mad or I'm anyway

5945
06:07:12,060 --> 06:07:14,420
Saw you last night with D.D.

5946
06:07:14,420 --> 06:07:17,640
Yeah, a lot of murk caught me in the hallway

5947
06:07:17,640 --> 06:07:20,660
Got a sticky and I keep it at my doll's place

5948
06:07:20,660 --> 06:07:23,540
Girl, I left you loving magic, not a saucehade

5949
06:07:23,540 --> 06:07:30,700
This guy's crazy, bro

5950
06:07:30,700 --> 06:07:32,820
All the theatrics off of us is annoying

5951
06:07:32,820 --> 06:07:33,960
To be honest

5952
06:07:33,960 --> 06:07:36,100
It's annoying, bro

5953
06:07:36,100 --> 06:07:37,300
And Drake, you too

5954
06:07:37,300 --> 06:07:38,680
It's annoying, bro

5955
06:07:38,680 --> 06:07:40,500
All the little theatrics he does

5956
06:07:40,500 --> 06:07:43,980
yeah like the whole video is like

5957
06:07:43,980 --> 06:07:45,680
they're trying to make a movie or something

5958
06:07:45,680 --> 06:07:47,900
oh that must be distracting as well

5959
06:07:47,900 --> 06:07:57,660
but what else is happening you know Charles left

5960
06:07:57,660 --> 06:07:59,440
that shit was fire I ain't even gonna care

5961
06:07:59,440 --> 06:08:00,860
you know we had Alex

5962
06:08:00,860 --> 06:08:05,580
especially the biology stuff is super interesting

5963
06:08:05,580 --> 06:08:07,240
because obviously I'm interested in that

5964
06:08:07,240 --> 06:08:09,820
yeah we had Charles

5965
06:08:09,820 --> 06:08:11,920
and we had, you know,

5966
06:08:11,980 --> 06:08:13,400
CTO from

5967
06:08:13,400 --> 06:08:14,900
Algo

5968
06:08:14,900 --> 06:08:17,560
and even Alex from CF

5969
06:08:17,560 --> 06:08:18,240
in here.

5970
06:08:18,560 --> 06:08:21,640
We're waiting on you to end the space so we can actually

5971
06:08:21,640 --> 06:08:22,340
listen to it.

5972
06:08:22,440 --> 06:08:26,420
Did Brian talk?

5973
06:08:26,740 --> 06:08:27,540
The Alphagross team?

5974
06:08:28,080 --> 06:08:29,920
Yeah, he was mostly talking to

5975
06:08:29,920 --> 06:08:31,740
Futurists. Oh, I wasn't here.

5976
06:08:31,740 --> 06:08:33,020
I was having dinner, bro.

5977
06:08:35,060 --> 06:08:35,880
That's fire.

5978
06:08:36,320 --> 06:08:37,800
So this space has been game

5979
06:08:37,800 --> 06:08:38,640
time for real.

5980
06:08:38,640 --> 06:08:40,860
Brian's level of

5981
06:08:40,860 --> 06:08:42,720
answers was so high level though

5982
06:08:42,720 --> 06:08:43,820
very high level

5983
06:08:43,820 --> 06:08:46,920
yeah I mean he's had

5984
06:08:46,920 --> 06:08:48,440
the most experience in that field

5985
06:08:48,440 --> 06:08:50,780
he had way better answers than I could have imagined

5986
06:08:50,780 --> 06:08:53,160
like the legality of it is like an interesting

5987
06:08:53,160 --> 06:08:55,060
part and the

5988
06:08:55,060 --> 06:08:56,760
fact that Elon is really that

5989
06:08:56,760 --> 06:08:59,040
sort of special case

5990
06:08:59,040 --> 06:09:00,220
where

5991
06:09:00,220 --> 06:09:02,840
nobody else would

5992
06:09:02,840 --> 06:09:03,980
probably let that slide

5993
06:09:03,980 --> 06:09:06,780
hell Elon

5994
06:09:06,780 --> 06:09:11,420
probably get it's probably gonna get sued for the spacex ship like for the next five years

5995
06:09:11,420 --> 06:09:17,580
he's probably gonna get sued every day luckily he's a trillionaire yeah but you can think about

5996
06:09:17,580 --> 06:09:21,900
it people are probably gonna sue every time spacex dumps like every single time

5997
06:09:23,580 --> 06:09:29,740
like oh they dumped on my head top yeah yeah he's gonna have like a lawsuit for each unlock

5998
06:09:29,740 --> 06:09:32,860
and like every unlock period there's gonna be like a new lawsuit

5999
06:09:32,860 --> 06:09:41,600
wait what happened um who we're talking about elon and spacex because uh he has a large amount

6000
06:09:41,600 --> 06:09:47,780
locked up unlike with he locked up 90 what do you mean large percent he locked up 96 percent

6001
06:09:48,460 --> 06:09:54,500
yo this mf treated his ipo as a meme token but here's the here's the thing

6002
06:09:54,500 --> 06:10:01,460
it's because it's not a token it's because it's not a token it's a security he actually opens

6003
06:10:01,460 --> 06:10:03,200
himself up to getting sued

6004
06:10:03,200 --> 06:10:04,400
for the security.

6005
06:10:06,000 --> 06:10:06,840
That's the thing.

6006
06:10:07,180 --> 06:10:08,880
Someone can sue him.

6007
06:10:09,260 --> 06:10:11,260
He probably did the math already though, Micro, and went

6008
06:10:11,260 --> 06:10:12,160
I can handle it.

6009
06:10:12,880 --> 06:10:14,640
He has his reasons, for sure.

6010
06:10:15,300 --> 06:10:16,140
But what I'm saying is...

6011
06:10:16,140 --> 06:10:18,420
I can handle every lawsuit, no problem, bro.

6012
06:10:18,420 --> 06:10:19,580
Yeah, exactly.

6013
06:10:21,600 --> 06:10:22,840
Controlling the flow

6014
06:10:22,840 --> 06:10:24,460
is far more important

6015
06:10:24,460 --> 06:10:26,040
than getting sued.

6016
06:10:26,840 --> 06:10:28,520
But what I'm saying is, he definitely

6017
06:10:28,520 --> 06:10:30,100
will get sued a lot.

6018
06:10:30,100 --> 06:10:36,240
But most of them are, he gets sued all the time, A, and a lot of them are frivolous, and he likes to sue other people too.

6019
06:10:36,740 --> 06:10:37,360
Scam Oldman.

6020
06:10:38,800 --> 06:10:40,980
To be honest, if you go on.

6021
06:10:40,980 --> 06:10:49,980
No, the shit with Scam Oldman, him not getting the go, and instead the court saying, going against them, I was disappointed.

6022
06:10:49,980 --> 06:10:57,780
Because in reality, bro, like if, for example, you know, little crypto shit here, let's just say,

6023
06:10:57,780 --> 06:11:04,580
oh yeah we're gonna be a non-profit blah blah blah cool let me put a bag in that

6024
06:11:04,580 --> 06:11:08,380
and then later on when when you're finally making money you're gonna be like

6025
06:11:08,380 --> 06:11:16,320
no fuck me we for profit well then where's my profit am i missing something what am i missing

6026
06:11:16,320 --> 06:11:22,280
you're not missing anything you're missing just okay the company was able to shift over time

6027
06:11:22,280 --> 06:11:24,480
and like they didn't

6028
06:11:24,480 --> 06:11:26,100
first off the

6029
06:11:26,100 --> 06:11:28,480
company is still a non-profit

6030
06:11:28,480 --> 06:11:30,340
it just has a for-profit

6031
06:11:30,340 --> 06:11:31,500
spin-off

6032
06:11:31,500 --> 06:11:34,340
it's called Shell Company

6033
06:11:34,340 --> 06:11:34,640
yeah

6034
06:11:34,640 --> 06:11:37,820
they just show that shit up

6035
06:11:37,820 --> 06:11:40,740
but like that shit usually never goes well

6036
06:11:40,740 --> 06:11:41,860
in court trying to sue for that

6037
06:11:41,860 --> 06:11:44,140
so it was against the Elon's favor in that

6038
06:11:44,140 --> 06:11:45,660
and then B

6039
06:11:45,660 --> 06:11:48,460
Sam Oldman is one type of guy

6040
06:11:48,460 --> 06:11:49,780
but you know he's not

6041
06:11:49,780 --> 06:11:52,900
and let's keep it 100

6042
06:11:52,900 --> 06:11:56,920
everything that's non-profit

6043
06:11:56,920 --> 06:11:58,520
is technically for profit

6044
06:11:58,520 --> 06:12:00,580
like across the board

6045
06:12:00,580 --> 06:12:03,200
to be honest

6046
06:12:03,200 --> 06:12:04,560
well nah dude

6047
06:12:04,560 --> 06:12:06,480
I saw a lot of crypto businesses that are

6048
06:12:06,480 --> 06:12:08,720
for profit that were non-profit

6049
06:12:08,720 --> 06:12:12,940
that was a good one

6050
06:12:12,940 --> 06:12:13,980
I'm going to tell you something

6051
06:12:13,980 --> 06:12:15,040
I'm going to tell you something

6052
06:12:15,040 --> 06:12:18,500
think about this logistically

6053
06:12:18,500 --> 06:12:23,280
Sam Oatman won

6054
06:12:23,280 --> 06:12:25,420
the battle

6055
06:12:25,420 --> 06:12:25,660
right?

6056
06:12:26,440 --> 06:12:29,220
The neighborhood fight.

6057
06:12:29,700 --> 06:12:30,240
The scrap.

6058
06:12:31,620 --> 06:12:33,340
Yeah they scrapped up

6059
06:12:33,340 --> 06:12:35,380
back alley type shit

6060
06:12:35,380 --> 06:12:35,780
you know.

6061
06:12:36,200 --> 06:12:39,060
But you know what? I'm going to tell you right now what's going to happen.

6062
06:12:39,700 --> 06:12:41,340
Once upon a time there's this

6063
06:12:41,340 --> 06:12:43,120
motherfucker that can launch rockets into

6064
06:12:43,120 --> 06:12:45,200
space right? And this motherfucker

6065
06:12:45,200 --> 06:12:47,200
is about to put out a bunch of data centers

6066
06:12:47,200 --> 06:12:48,680
just floating the earth.

6067
06:12:50,000 --> 06:12:51,800
It is very unfortunate

6068
06:12:51,800 --> 06:12:54,140
for he

6069
06:12:54,140 --> 06:12:55,840
who won the battle

6070
06:12:55,840 --> 06:12:56,480
on earth

6071
06:12:56,480 --> 06:12:59,620
to try and even fathom

6072
06:12:59,620 --> 06:13:01,640
the war on

6073
06:13:01,640 --> 06:13:02,760
outer space.

6074
06:13:03,740 --> 06:13:03,900
Okay?

6075
06:13:04,300 --> 06:13:06,420
As of right now...

6076
06:13:06,420 --> 06:13:07,780
He's thinking of getting into the space race.

6077
06:13:08,140 --> 06:13:08,460
Funny enough.

6078
06:13:08,880 --> 06:13:10,600
He better.

6079
06:13:10,940 --> 06:13:13,680
He better because otherwise he's going to get cooked anyways.

6080
06:13:14,340 --> 06:13:15,580
So he better fucking

6081
06:13:15,580 --> 06:13:17,700
get into the, you know,

6082
06:13:17,840 --> 06:13:18,800
stratospheric

6083
06:13:18,800 --> 06:13:21,880
data center, whatever the fuck it is

6084
06:13:21,880 --> 06:13:23,380
that Elon is going to do.

6085
06:13:23,600 --> 06:13:25,540
Because if not, he's going to end up

6086
06:13:25,540 --> 06:13:27,660
kissing his fucking ring regardless.

6087
06:13:27,660 --> 06:13:29,360
And that's just my little

6088
06:13:29,360 --> 06:13:31,460
speculative, you know,

6089
06:13:32,020 --> 06:13:33,540
idea here of like,

6090
06:13:34,160 --> 06:13:34,500
oh,

6091
06:13:36,600 --> 06:13:37,700
I think

6092
06:13:37,700 --> 06:13:41,900
the data

6093
06:13:41,900 --> 06:13:43,520
center race or whatever

6094
06:13:43,520 --> 06:13:45,100
eventually is going to blow up.

6095
06:13:45,580 --> 06:13:52,040
Yeah, yeah. I mean, here's what I see is Elon has a personal vendetta against Sam.

6096
06:13:52,720 --> 06:13:55,740
And Sam doesn't seem to quite have the same vendetta back.

6097
06:13:57,100 --> 06:14:05,040
But Elon is definitely, like you can tell when he posts, he's like very spiteful of Sam.

6098
06:14:05,400 --> 06:14:10,760
And Sam, I don't think has quite the same strong feeling, which is interesting.

6099
06:14:10,900 --> 06:14:14,060
I personally don't hold that strong feeling against Sam at all.

6100
06:14:14,060 --> 06:14:15,900
I mean I use Chachi Guti

6101
06:14:15,900 --> 06:14:16,920
all the fucking time

6102
06:14:16,920 --> 06:14:17,560
I don't give a fuck

6103
06:14:17,560 --> 06:14:19,160
he ain't hetero

6104
06:14:19,160 --> 06:14:21,300
he ain't hetero

6105
06:14:21,300 --> 06:14:22,920
he's more hetero

6106
06:14:22,920 --> 06:14:25,100
than the guy who runs squad

6107
06:14:25,100 --> 06:14:28,220
Sam Altman is more hetero

6108
06:14:28,220 --> 06:14:29,020
having a boyfriend

6109
06:14:29,020 --> 06:14:30,300
no he's more hetero

6110
06:14:30,300 --> 06:14:32,960
I stand by that

6111
06:14:32,960 --> 06:14:35,900
he's gay and he's still more hetero than Dario

6112
06:14:35,900 --> 06:14:36,940
yeah

6113
06:14:36,940 --> 06:14:39,900
that is

6114
06:14:39,900 --> 06:14:41,820
that is how gay Dario is

6115
06:14:41,820 --> 06:14:43,940
Dario is so gay that he can be

6116
06:14:43,940 --> 06:14:52,020
hetero and algea gay man that is how insanely fucking gay he is okay you got me you got me

6117
06:14:52,020 --> 06:14:57,920
you got me that's what i mean bro claude we have to we do ai is so powerful it's gonna destroy the

6118
06:14:57,920 --> 06:15:04,700
world this ai you don't understand it's so good it could hack the u.s government in one day and

6119
06:15:04,700 --> 06:15:10,780
nuke the u.s but make the u.s nuke itself dude it's gonna we can't we can't even release this

6120
06:15:10,780 --> 06:15:12,620
to the public because it's so dangerous.

6121
06:15:12,780 --> 06:15:14,620
Meanwhile, me asking fucking

6122
06:15:14,620 --> 06:15:16,860
Fable. Is this a school that does podcasts with people?

6123
06:15:17,140 --> 06:15:18,140
Interviews and shit?

6124
06:15:18,360 --> 06:15:20,560
Yeah, of course. He always does AI alignment

6125
06:15:20,560 --> 06:15:22,680
bullshit. He's like, we've

6126
06:15:22,680 --> 06:15:23,960
tested our AI and

6127
06:15:23,960 --> 06:15:26,400
the dangers of AI are

6128
06:15:26,400 --> 06:15:28,580
incomprehensible. Our AI

6129
06:15:28,580 --> 06:15:30,400
will sometimes lie to you

6130
06:15:30,400 --> 06:15:32,580
and pretend to do things that

6131
06:15:32,580 --> 06:15:34,620
you're asking, but actually be evil

6132
06:15:34,620 --> 06:15:36,420
and malicious and try to steal

6133
06:15:36,420 --> 06:15:37,020
and cheat.

6134
06:15:38,540 --> 06:15:40,440
Fable will nuke the US if

6135
06:15:40,440 --> 06:15:42,500
left unprotected and meanwhile I try

6136
06:15:42,500 --> 06:15:44,420
to ask Fable to move some

6137
06:15:44,420 --> 06:15:46,520
documents across my computer and it gets stuck

6138
06:15:46,520 --> 06:15:47,760
looping for 40 minutes.

6139
06:15:49,820 --> 06:15:50,340
Dario

6140
06:15:50,340 --> 06:15:51,580
is definitely gay, bro.

6141
06:15:54,240 --> 06:15:54,760
Fable

6142
06:15:54,760 --> 06:15:56,560
is so dangerous, it will

6143
06:15:56,560 --> 06:15:58,520
destroy the US. The US government is like,

6144
06:15:58,580 --> 06:15:59,920
okay, we gotta regulate it.

6145
06:16:01,600 --> 06:16:02,740
Sam Lillman's not gay,

6146
06:16:02,860 --> 06:16:03,880
bro. He just bangs dudes.

6147
06:16:05,840 --> 06:16:06,720
Big difference.

6148
06:16:07,160 --> 06:16:07,880
They regulate

6149
06:16:07,880 --> 06:16:10,380
Fable and then he's like, no, no,

6150
06:16:10,380 --> 06:16:11,580
I didn't mean it was dangerous.

6151
06:16:11,800 --> 06:16:12,080
It definitely,

6152
06:16:12,280 --> 06:16:13,180
this is so crazy.

6153
06:16:13,280 --> 06:16:17,300
I can't believe you guys are doing this to our company and regulating our thing

6154
06:16:17,300 --> 06:16:20,860
that I just spent the last year doom posting about how it's going to kill you

6155
06:16:20,860 --> 06:16:22,180
all and become the Terminator.

6156
06:16:23,260 --> 06:16:23,700
Yeah.

6157
06:16:24,060 --> 06:16:25,460
And do you know what the funny part is?

6158
06:16:25,460 --> 06:16:29,460
He worked at open AI and did the same exact thing with chat GPT too.

6159
06:16:30,160 --> 06:16:31,980
It was so fucking funny.

6160
06:16:33,080 --> 06:16:36,860
Literally Dario had the same playbook seven years ago,

6161
06:16:36,860 --> 06:16:38,180
like

6162
06:16:38,180 --> 06:16:39,980
or maybe it was like

6163
06:16:39,980 --> 06:16:40,700
six years ago

6164
06:16:40,700 --> 06:16:41,520
but either way

6165
06:16:41,520 --> 06:16:41,860
it was

6166
06:16:41,860 --> 06:16:43,620
not that long ago

6167
06:16:43,620 --> 06:16:45,980
yeah I mean

6168
06:16:45,980 --> 06:16:46,840
he got himself

6169
06:16:46,840 --> 06:16:47,680
fucking regulated

6170
06:16:47,680 --> 06:16:48,480
up the wazoo

6171
06:16:48,480 --> 06:16:49,300
yeah it worked

6172
06:16:49,300 --> 06:16:50,340
he fucked his company

6173
06:16:50,340 --> 06:16:51,020
in the asshole

6174
06:16:51,020 --> 06:16:51,800
by the US

6175
06:16:51,800 --> 06:16:53,120
he got his company

6176
06:16:53,120 --> 06:16:54,600
he like pushed back

6177
06:16:54,600 --> 06:16:55,200
his company

6178
06:16:55,200 --> 06:16:56,040
his company was

6179
06:16:56,040 --> 06:16:57,080
number one leading

6180
06:16:57,080 --> 06:16:58,360
across all metrics

6181
06:16:58,360 --> 06:16:59,540
by developer adoption

6182
06:16:59,540 --> 06:16:59,940
yeah

6183
06:16:59,940 --> 06:17:00,980
and then he took

6184
06:17:00,980 --> 06:17:01,780
Fable off the market

6185
06:17:01,780 --> 06:17:02,900
for like three months

6186
06:17:02,900 --> 06:17:03,700
when OpenAI

6187
06:17:03,700 --> 06:17:04,760
had zero answer

6188
06:17:04,760 --> 06:17:05,260
to Fable

6189
06:17:05,260 --> 06:17:09,540
because he fucking convinced the US to regulate him in the butthole.

6190
06:17:10,120 --> 06:17:11,540
Yeah, yeah. OpenAI wasn't ready.

6191
06:17:12,540 --> 06:17:14,240
And then, like, boom.

6192
06:17:14,340 --> 06:17:16,860
By the time Fable came back, like, less than a week later,

6193
06:17:17,560 --> 06:17:19,260
5.6 comes out and people are like,

6194
06:17:19,540 --> 06:17:23,740
you know, 5.6 is pretty equal to Fable or kind of close to it.

6195
06:17:24,180 --> 06:17:26,520
So, like, I could just, like, run 5.6

6196
06:17:26,520 --> 06:17:30,280
and, like, OpenAI gives you literally infinite fucking credits.

6197
06:17:30,280 --> 06:17:34,720
unless you are looping these things 24-7

6198
06:17:34,720 --> 06:17:36,020
on like max mode

6199
06:17:36,020 --> 06:17:38,180
or ultra or some shit,

6200
06:17:38,280 --> 06:17:40,260
you cannot run through your credit limit

6201
06:17:40,260 --> 06:17:42,560
without doing like stupid things

6202
06:17:42,560 --> 06:17:44,000
that aren't productive.

6203
06:17:45,440 --> 06:17:46,780
Bro, if you use Herder, dude,

6204
06:17:46,780 --> 06:17:48,780
if you use Herder and you loop,

6205
06:17:49,180 --> 06:17:51,720
dude, you fucking run so many credits, dude.

6206
06:17:51,760 --> 06:17:52,520
It's crazy.

6207
06:17:52,740 --> 06:17:53,680
You're not keeping up with me at all.

6208
06:17:53,680 --> 06:17:54,380
I use Herder.

6209
06:17:54,660 --> 06:17:55,800
You don't use Herder, bro.

6210
06:17:55,900 --> 06:17:56,900
You don't even know what it is.

6211
06:17:58,880 --> 06:18:00,040
That's pretty good.

6212
06:18:00,280 --> 06:18:01,200
I like that.

6213
06:18:03,800 --> 06:18:04,740
You're a funny guy.

6214
06:18:05,740 --> 06:18:08,080
My boy just got into

6215
06:18:08,080 --> 06:18:10,320
vibe coding and he was just like...

6216
06:18:10,320 --> 06:18:11,920
He sent me two repos.

6217
06:18:12,000 --> 06:18:14,020
He's like, pull these repos. I was like, alright, I'll check them out.

6218
06:18:14,080 --> 06:18:15,800
Then he's like, do you use Git, bro?

6219
06:18:16,240 --> 06:18:17,120
Are you...

6220
06:18:17,120 --> 06:18:19,860
Yeah. That's so funny.

6221
06:18:20,880 --> 06:18:21,900
Bro, I save everything

6222
06:18:21,900 --> 06:18:23,800
with a file. I save every single

6223
06:18:23,800 --> 06:18:26,040
change in a different folder on my computer

6224
06:18:26,040 --> 06:18:27,140
dated by the hour.

6225
06:18:28,380 --> 06:18:29,940
Yeah. I was like, brother,

6226
06:18:29,940 --> 06:18:31,260
I was like, get some fundamentals.

6227
06:18:31,260 --> 06:18:33,880
I re-implemented Git by using Merkle trees.

6228
06:18:37,840 --> 06:18:38,920
What do you mean Git?

6229
06:18:39,000 --> 06:18:40,000
Google Drive, dude.

6230
06:18:40,060 --> 06:18:41,500
You just upload to Google Drive.

6231
06:18:42,600 --> 06:18:44,180
I just write all my shit.

6232
06:18:44,260 --> 06:18:46,880
I write all my shit live to Google Docs.

6233
06:18:47,040 --> 06:18:49,020
It has full edit history.

6234
06:18:49,140 --> 06:18:51,760
So I can go back to any moment in time.

6235
06:18:51,920 --> 06:18:52,860
That is so good.

6236
06:18:54,680 --> 06:18:56,540
Bro, I used to have to like...

6237
06:18:56,540 --> 06:18:58,620
When I was running a business.

6238
06:18:58,620 --> 06:18:59,780
A little vegan food business.

6239
06:18:59,940 --> 06:19:05,680
obviously you can't teach people who have never used a computer like that how to use git at a

6240
06:19:05,680 --> 06:19:11,400
restaurant business so i had them like update inventory on like google sheets because like

6241
06:19:11,400 --> 06:19:18,720
you know anyone can pretty much use excel by the time they're like 18 usually so anyways

6242
06:19:18,720 --> 06:19:28,020
but you know look up for me sometimes values would get edited to like something completely

6243
06:19:28,020 --> 06:19:33,620
random like an insane number and i'm like that's not how much we have in the inventory so i have

6244
06:19:33,620 --> 06:19:38,260
to go through the google history and revert that while keeping some of the changes

6245
06:19:39,220 --> 06:19:45,940
that were actually meant to keep be kept and that was a nightmare but yes i i realized that like

6246
06:19:45,940 --> 06:19:49,380
google actually has like a full-on history that's like pretty good

6247
06:19:52,020 --> 06:19:56,580
yeah they have like i had to do like five sections sometimes yeah they have a whole

6248
06:19:56,580 --> 06:20:02,140
tracking along on everything basically yeah i had to like bisect like the different commits in the

6249
06:20:02,140 --> 06:20:07,460
history to like figure out when did this shit get fucked so i could like see what the value was

6250
06:20:07,460 --> 06:20:15,400
before bro i got people in my office literally that like the manager for like customer service

6251
06:20:15,400 --> 06:20:20,160
who hires new people who should never be asking me anything because you should be

6252
06:20:20,160 --> 06:20:22,540
definitely competent enough

6253
06:20:22,540 --> 06:20:24,320
to do everything that you do

6254
06:20:24,320 --> 06:20:26,700
messaging me

6255
06:20:26,700 --> 06:20:27,720
all day today

6256
06:20:27,720 --> 06:20:29,840
did you

6257
06:20:29,840 --> 06:20:32,580
get the person signed up for Slack

6258
06:20:32,580 --> 06:20:34,940
it's downloaded

6259
06:20:34,940 --> 06:20:35,860
to their computer

6260
06:20:35,860 --> 06:20:37,780
I did it remotely

6261
06:20:37,780 --> 06:20:40,700
did they put in the email

6262
06:20:40,700 --> 06:20:42,280
and click

6263
06:20:42,280 --> 06:20:43,900
send fucking whatever

6264
06:20:43,900 --> 06:20:45,820
she's like well should she do it on her phone

6265
06:20:45,820 --> 06:20:48,400
I'm like holy shit

6266
06:20:48,400 --> 06:20:53,960
it gets to a point where like the retardation is like i don't even know what to say back because

6267
06:20:53,960 --> 06:20:58,540
i'm like are you fucking retarded i don't have time to deal with you because you're so stupid

6268
06:20:58,540 --> 06:21:06,280
like it's yeah it's it's an idea of like how do you even how do you comprehend what they comprehend

6269
06:21:06,280 --> 06:21:12,040
so that you can like fill in the gaps dude that's like always a challenge ai for this all day long

6270
06:21:12,040 --> 06:21:17,440
to make it so i'm like hey uh because i have to explain things because like my bosses that'd be

6271
06:21:17,440 --> 06:21:23,060
good it's like here's the quite a question they asked me and then like see if ai can like

6272
06:21:23,060 --> 06:21:31,640
i use ai most of the time for shit like this to be honest which is my boss is like 80 years old

6273
06:21:31,640 --> 06:21:38,300
but there's no one between me and him so like i'm like the main key decision maker on everything

6274
06:21:38,300 --> 06:21:42,140
plus running the entire dev team plus handling the marketing team plus handing the fucking sales

6275
06:21:42,140 --> 06:21:46,740
team plus handling anything internal and customer service all the fucking bullshit right but

6276
06:21:46,740 --> 06:21:51,340
things need to be explained to him in a way that i can't explain it because he'll never understand

6277
06:21:51,340 --> 06:21:55,880
and he only reads the first two lines of the email anyways or you might as well just call him

6278
06:21:55,880 --> 06:22:04,120
so i literally have this like stupid little like skill prompt thing that i just make it reference

6279
06:22:04,120 --> 06:22:09,940
that every time i need to talk to my boss because it makes it understandable for the 80 year old

6280
06:22:09,940 --> 06:22:15,040
and then i've also done yeah it's like it literally has all the things in there be like he's 80 years

6281
06:22:15,040 --> 06:22:18,580
old he doesn't really understand yeah i was thinking you're gonna have that i even give him

6282
06:22:18,580 --> 06:22:25,040
like this is an 80 year old man you gotta use terms from the 1960s yeah and i even it even

6283
06:22:25,040 --> 06:22:32,880
knows like how he how he like acts as a person towards like you know certain like wow yeah

6284
06:22:32,880 --> 06:22:39,420
embedded knowledge in the fucking weight yeah i've been there i've been there 10 years so i know i'm

6285
06:22:39,420 --> 06:22:43,520
like the back of my hand so it's like it only it's not that many lines but it's just like you

6286
06:22:43,520 --> 06:22:47,780
know a few lines of like his person like the personality and like how he likes to handle

6287
06:22:47,780 --> 06:22:52,260
things and whatnot like he's a yes man so it's like make sure like you can always technically

6288
06:22:52,260 --> 06:23:00,600
say yes to doing something but there's you know it's just like a whole thing and i did that i

6289
06:23:00,600 --> 06:23:04,420
started doing this brother that's how you end up on the marketing team the design team the

6290
06:23:04,420 --> 06:23:08,740
management team because you keep saying yes to this nigga dude sit down and tell that old man

6291
06:23:08,740 --> 06:23:09,420
and retire.

6292
06:23:10,820 --> 06:23:11,660
Hey, bro.

6293
06:23:12,460 --> 06:23:14,760
I mean, he's 80. If he retires

6294
06:23:14,760 --> 06:23:16,780
at that point, he will literally fall over

6295
06:23:16,780 --> 06:23:18,920
the next day. He needs that job

6296
06:23:18,920 --> 06:23:20,260
to keep him alive.

6297
06:23:20,560 --> 06:23:21,720
Yeah, and currently

6298
06:23:21,720 --> 06:23:24,720
he's a couple miles down the block

6299
06:23:24,720 --> 06:23:26,740
in a fucking wheelchair at his house,

6300
06:23:26,860 --> 06:23:28,900
bro. He can't even make it to the office

6301
06:23:28,900 --> 06:23:30,820
because his ass got sick when I got married

6302
06:23:30,820 --> 06:23:32,900
last year. I didn't even know until I came

6303
06:23:32,900 --> 06:23:35,100
back. But he's been out of the office.

6304
06:23:35,100 --> 06:23:36,960
Why, you guys think you're cheating on him or what?

6305
06:23:36,960 --> 06:23:39,380
He said, hey, those hours are for me, baby boy.

6306
06:23:39,760 --> 06:23:43,060
All I know is that, you know.

6307
06:23:43,980 --> 06:23:45,420
Wait, he's in a wheelchair now, he said?

6308
06:23:45,600 --> 06:23:46,920
Yeah, but that's fine.

6309
06:23:47,260 --> 06:23:48,180
We're not worried about that.

6310
06:23:48,180 --> 06:23:50,160
I mean, he still comes to the office or no?

6311
06:23:50,180 --> 06:23:52,740
No, not right now.

6312
06:23:52,900 --> 06:23:53,100
Oh.

6313
06:23:54,240 --> 06:24:00,960
But equity is important, right, in companies like this.

6314
06:24:01,360 --> 06:24:04,680
Getting paid a certain amount of money is important in companies like this.

6315
06:24:04,680 --> 06:24:10,640
If you've been there for a decade, you make sure if anything were to happen, all your bases are covered, right?

6316
06:24:11,000 --> 06:24:15,500
Or unless, like, because I'm very psychotic about stuff like that.

6317
06:24:15,620 --> 06:24:19,320
So, like, I mean, yeah, I've been there 10 years.

6318
06:24:19,940 --> 06:24:20,840
There's a nice.

6319
06:24:21,000 --> 06:24:22,560
I'm surprised he doesn't have any.

6320
06:24:22,560 --> 06:24:23,380
What do you mean you're psychotic?

6321
06:24:23,480 --> 06:24:24,380
Hold on, hold on, micro.

6322
06:24:24,500 --> 06:24:25,540
What do you mean psychotic?

6323
06:24:25,960 --> 06:24:26,900
I said psychotic.

6324
06:24:28,560 --> 06:24:29,080
No, you meant.

6325
06:24:29,340 --> 06:24:30,460
Yeah, yeah, I know.

6326
06:24:30,660 --> 06:24:33,280
T-PAL, talk to us here.

6327
06:24:33,560 --> 06:24:34,100
Are you all right?

6328
06:24:34,100 --> 06:24:34,740
You're doing okay.

6329
06:24:34,980 --> 06:24:35,460
Hey, bro.

6330
06:24:35,460 --> 06:24:35,960
You're not going to hurt you.

6331
06:24:35,960 --> 06:24:37,960
Bro, not all white guys sound the same, bro.

6332
06:24:39,400 --> 06:24:39,920
Thank you.

6333
06:24:39,920 --> 06:24:40,280
Thank you.

6334
06:24:40,440 --> 06:24:41,280
Yeah, they do.

6335
06:24:41,800 --> 06:24:42,360
Thank you.

6336
06:24:42,540 --> 06:24:43,760
I appreciate that.

6337
06:24:44,160 --> 06:24:44,420
You know.

6338
06:24:45,260 --> 06:24:45,740
Jesus Christ.

6339
06:24:45,980 --> 06:24:48,880
The way Lucas wants to be a white American is insane, dude.

6340
06:24:48,980 --> 06:24:52,500
This guy would be rubbing his shoulders in a freaking Bombay Peach house.

6341
06:24:52,620 --> 06:24:55,120
I can hear the East Coast in these motherfuckers' mouths, bro.

6342
06:24:55,900 --> 06:24:59,120
I am not an English-Saxon, brother.

6343
06:24:59,220 --> 06:25:01,820
You're on the eastern side of the sea.

6344
06:25:02,040 --> 06:25:02,500
You know what I'm saying?

6345
06:25:02,580 --> 06:25:04,000
You hit the Atlantic over there.

6346
06:25:04,100 --> 06:25:09,780
I mean, I'm not saying you're Eastern, but I'm just saying like you're East, but we're at the same.

6347
06:25:09,960 --> 06:25:14,480
We can grow almost the same plants across the board, though.

6348
06:25:14,580 --> 06:25:16,180
And I'm a gardener and I love gardening.

6349
06:25:16,340 --> 06:25:21,520
And like I want the ham on that shit for like, I mean, I never stopped learning about gardening.

6350
06:25:21,860 --> 06:25:23,640
But we have a good equilibrium.

6351
06:25:24,100 --> 06:25:27,040
Like we can grow very similar things, which is pretty dope.

6352
06:25:27,240 --> 06:25:29,120
So that's how I know we're tight.

6353
06:25:29,120 --> 06:25:36,460
but what i mean by psychotic uh ain't nobody touching my money or my future life

6354
06:25:36,460 --> 06:25:44,880
that shit is locked down to a t where like this dude dies tomorrow i have i would prefer that to

6355
06:25:44,880 --> 06:25:49,600
be honest he could die tomorrow i'd be stoked because it's one of the biggest paydays of my

6356
06:25:49,600 --> 06:25:54,300
fucking life and i can do whatever the fuck i want like hey brosky it's a good party space

6357
06:25:54,300 --> 06:25:55,120
Chill out, brother.

6358
06:25:55,480 --> 06:25:58,380
Does he have children in which they get equity as well?

6359
06:25:58,400 --> 06:25:58,880
Zero fucking children.

6360
06:25:59,340 --> 06:26:00,920
And divorce his wife in 2012.

6361
06:26:01,300 --> 06:26:02,640
But she's the accountant in the office.

6362
06:26:03,300 --> 06:26:05,940
He got a fucking leash on that bitch.

6363
06:26:06,340 --> 06:26:08,840
She shows up four days a week plus Sunday.

6364
06:26:09,060 --> 06:26:09,820
So I guess five.

6365
06:26:10,260 --> 06:26:12,020
But she takes Thursday off for her horses.

6366
06:26:12,300 --> 06:26:13,120
I already read the trust.

6367
06:26:13,200 --> 06:26:14,300
She gets 100K a year.

6368
06:26:15,640 --> 06:26:17,420
So this is a multi-million dollar company, bro.

6369
06:26:17,520 --> 06:26:19,460
It's not a company that doesn't make any money.

6370
06:26:19,460 --> 06:26:24,120
And there's no one between me and him and the rest of my life and his life.

6371
06:26:24,300 --> 06:26:26,220
and no children.

6372
06:26:26,540 --> 06:26:28,700
He's a brother, but the stipulations

6373
06:26:28,700 --> 06:26:30,640
for his brother's child to get

6374
06:26:30,640 --> 06:26:32,520
money is hilarious, bro.

6375
06:26:32,580 --> 06:26:34,560
I read through the trust. He needs to make

6376
06:26:34,560 --> 06:26:35,840
a certain amount of money a year.

6377
06:26:36,340 --> 06:26:38,500
A certain type of formal education

6378
06:26:38,500 --> 06:26:39,420
needs to be acquired.

6379
06:26:40,020 --> 06:26:42,220
All these different things, and then he only gets

6380
06:26:42,220 --> 06:26:44,200
a certain amount at a certain age.

6381
06:26:45,780 --> 06:26:46,540
And it's really not

6382
06:26:46,540 --> 06:26:47,700
even that much, but

6383
06:26:47,700 --> 06:26:50,540
it's just so funny, bro. I've access to everything.

6384
06:26:50,880 --> 06:26:51,960
I mean, it's probably enough to

6385
06:26:51,960 --> 06:26:55,840
I am the key holder, bro, of the entire company.

6386
06:26:55,960 --> 06:26:56,700
That's the funny part.

6387
06:26:57,060 --> 06:26:59,120
I could just literally just.

6388
06:26:59,260 --> 06:27:00,560
Bro, you a little Asian guy?

6389
06:27:00,640 --> 06:27:01,320
You the key maker?

6390
06:27:01,400 --> 06:27:03,840
Nah, I'm white as hell with long blonde hair and blue eyes.

6391
06:27:04,260 --> 06:27:05,320
But, you know, it is.

6392
06:27:05,440 --> 06:27:07,340
Isn't Dr. Oz dying because he knows?

6393
06:27:07,400 --> 06:27:08,180
He's seen my ass.

6394
06:27:10,680 --> 06:27:12,720
I know Dr. Oz deep down right now.

6395
06:27:12,860 --> 06:27:14,060
He's got that Nordic in him.

6396
06:27:14,060 --> 06:27:15,980
Dr. Oz is driving me right now because probably when I met him first,

6397
06:27:16,080 --> 06:27:17,880
I wasn't on this type of level.

6398
06:27:17,880 --> 06:27:20,660
but now I went from customer service

6399
06:27:20,660 --> 06:27:22,060
to basically running the bitch

6400
06:27:22,060 --> 06:27:23,740
over 10 years

6401
06:27:23,740 --> 06:27:26,080
very nice

6402
06:27:26,080 --> 06:27:26,920
that was very good

6403
06:27:26,920 --> 06:27:29,720
well that's what we love to see man progress

6404
06:27:29,720 --> 06:27:30,620
climbing the ladder

6405
06:27:30,620 --> 06:27:32,960
that's the thing

6406
06:27:32,960 --> 06:27:35,180
you're able to

6407
06:27:35,180 --> 06:27:38,180
you're able to take over

6408
06:27:38,180 --> 06:27:38,620
a business

6409
06:27:38,620 --> 06:27:40,800
that doesn't sound like white privilege to me

6410
06:27:40,800 --> 06:27:43,340
straight from

6411
06:27:43,340 --> 06:27:45,060
the trenches bro

6412
06:27:45,060 --> 06:27:47,600
dude the white trenches

6413
06:27:47,600 --> 06:27:53,660
as a customer service is a place to you know applaud where you came from all started with

6414
06:27:53,660 --> 06:27:58,260
fucking email marketing after that and i didn't like the way the emails look so i started coding

6415
06:27:58,260 --> 06:28:02,880
them by myself because i didn't like the drag and drop or like witchy wig editors or whatever

6416
06:28:02,880 --> 06:28:08,680
the fuck they call that shit and i didn't like it i needed it to display like because my also

6417
06:28:08,680 --> 06:28:14,880
this is some background my cousin we luckily have different last names so i can say this

6418
06:28:14,880 --> 06:28:22,000
he's the head designer for the back end team at uber and before that was gopro so he's a ux ui

6419
06:28:22,000 --> 06:28:31,600
designer like top five to ten on dribble if when dribble was a thing but nice i wanted the emails

6420
06:28:31,600 --> 06:28:36,540
to look pretty that's why like back in the day my bio was to say like pretty websites because i

6421
06:28:36,540 --> 06:28:43,540
like to make pretty websites i don't really care about uh the back end of things to be honest but

6422
06:28:43,540 --> 06:28:45,440
that's where like

6423
06:28:45,440 --> 06:28:47,080
it all inspired from that

6424
06:28:47,080 --> 06:28:49,600
oh yeah shout out to back ends

6425
06:28:49,600 --> 06:28:52,540
yeah shout out to the back end dude

6426
06:28:52,540 --> 06:28:54,160
if you got a big old wagon back there

6427
06:28:54,160 --> 06:28:56,160
just make sure you're taking care of it

6428
06:28:56,160 --> 06:28:58,140
dude

6429
06:28:58,140 --> 06:29:03,140
I appreciate a full stack

6430
06:29:03,140 --> 06:29:04,520
you know what I mean

6431
06:29:04,520 --> 06:29:05,940
full stack

6432
06:29:05,940 --> 06:29:08,720
top to bottom full stack

6433
06:29:08,720 --> 06:29:09,760
that's what you got

6434
06:29:09,760 --> 06:29:12,040
your affiliate

6435
06:29:12,040 --> 06:29:20,600
there yeah i just sent you i just sent you a dm from from the the little homie earlier that was

6436
06:29:20,600 --> 06:29:25,040
like yo my shit got hacked this and that with the group i think that nobody can send you messages

6437
06:29:25,040 --> 06:29:29,300
unless you're friends with them or something oh yeah the homie tried to say that shit on state

6438
06:29:29,300 --> 06:29:33,580
i'm like yo yo i was in the center box and i'm like yo this guy needs to and then you guys told

6439
06:29:33,580 --> 06:29:38,680
him to shut up and i was like thank god wait no i just sent you his wallet or whatever message

6440
06:29:38,680 --> 06:29:41,820
They send me and put it to the thing, this and that, whatever.

6441
06:29:41,960 --> 06:29:42,640
If it is, it is.

6442
06:29:43,100 --> 06:29:46,880
And if he is one of the compromised wallets, then, you know,

6443
06:29:46,980 --> 06:29:48,140
second file will make him whole.

6444
06:29:48,760 --> 06:29:51,760
If it ain't, then I don't know what the fuck we can do.

6445
06:29:52,120 --> 06:29:52,480
Shit.

6446
06:29:54,000 --> 06:29:54,460
Well, yeah.

6447
06:29:54,720 --> 06:29:56,320
This was not.

6448
06:29:57,520 --> 06:29:58,980
No, this happened today.

6449
06:30:01,420 --> 06:30:03,280
Oh, we got a new incident.

6450
06:30:04,740 --> 06:30:05,880
No, it's not an incident.

6451
06:30:05,880 --> 06:30:09,500
I was very sus because the guy had no followers.

6452
06:30:09,760 --> 06:30:11,120
He had no post.

6453
06:30:11,120 --> 06:30:11,200
He had no post.

6454
06:30:12,200 --> 06:30:15,420
I think it's just begging for a donation.

6455
06:30:16,880 --> 06:30:18,020
You see what I'm saying?

6456
06:30:18,200 --> 06:30:20,380
That's why I was like, yo, stop it with the shit.

6457
06:30:20,520 --> 06:30:21,800
If it is, it is.

6458
06:30:21,860 --> 06:30:22,620
If it ain't, it ain't.

6459
06:30:22,800 --> 06:30:24,320
Send the adi.

6460
06:30:25,380 --> 06:30:26,520
Send the adi.

6461
06:30:26,740 --> 06:30:27,500
It'll be checked.

6462
06:30:27,620 --> 06:30:28,420
If it is, cool.

6463
06:30:29,440 --> 06:30:31,680
That's why I was kind of being rude.

6464
06:30:31,800 --> 06:30:33,760
I wasn't even being rude, but I know what time it is.

6465
06:30:33,760 --> 06:30:34,900
I'm going to gather all the compromise.

6466
06:30:34,900 --> 06:30:37,840
As well as I can find them, I'm going to send them to everyone in space.

6467
06:30:38,080 --> 06:30:38,740
That's a thing.

6468
06:30:39,100 --> 06:30:39,680
That's a thing.

6469
06:30:39,680 --> 06:30:40,000
Oh, I was compromised.

6470
06:30:40,240 --> 06:30:41,240
Look at, check my address.

6471
06:30:41,580 --> 06:30:45,660
Send it to this GoFundMe or this address on Ada called GoFundMe.

6472
06:30:45,960 --> 06:30:46,880
It's like, nah, bro.

6473
06:30:46,920 --> 06:30:48,500
You got to wait on the second five shit.

6474
06:30:48,940 --> 06:30:50,680
You either get your fund back or you don't.

6475
06:30:50,820 --> 06:30:53,080
Dude, I got kids to feed, bro.

6476
06:30:53,080 --> 06:30:55,220
I got kids to feed, bro.

6477
06:30:56,220 --> 06:30:59,620
I tell them, too, when they hit me up for money, I tell them I'm poor, too.

6478
06:30:59,820 --> 06:31:00,380
Straight up.

6479
06:31:00,520 --> 06:31:04,280
Like, dude, I have people from Africa like, hey, man, you're going to – I'm like, I'm poor, too.

6480
06:31:04,280 --> 06:31:06,260
Go look at Dollar Signed Dr. Oz.

6481
06:31:06,380 --> 06:31:06,860
I'm poor.

6482
06:31:07,260 --> 06:31:10,540
My cousin's account has a rinse

6483
06:31:10,540 --> 06:31:12,020
I need to actually unload

6484
06:31:12,020 --> 06:31:13,360
because I've been a little bit more active.

6485
06:31:14,680 --> 06:31:16,440
There's a rinse to do

6486
06:31:16,440 --> 06:31:17,720
on this random account.

6487
06:31:18,300 --> 06:31:20,100
They've been getting a lot of people too.

6488
06:31:20,240 --> 06:31:22,680
I didn't realize that until I went back and forth.

6489
06:31:22,780 --> 06:31:24,860
Then I got all their addresses

6490
06:31:24,860 --> 06:31:26,800
and stuff, but they probably switched them.

6491
06:31:27,360 --> 06:31:27,960
Who cares?

6492
06:31:28,880 --> 06:31:30,900
I got these cheeseburgers, man.

6493
06:31:30,900 --> 06:31:32,900
Ha ha ha ha.

6494
06:31:34,280 --> 06:31:43,360
yeah man that's crazy web 3 is hard man down down bed man i bro i'm a hot wallet fucking maxi over

6495
06:31:43,360 --> 06:31:47,220
here and i've never been touched i don't give a fuck i don't even need to knock on wood i don't

6496
06:31:47,220 --> 06:31:51,960
give a shit i've never you're probably not just not a target even i've never just don't even

6497
06:31:51,960 --> 06:31:59,480
recognize you without you buying a ledger to steal an email from yo low key bro i actually have one

6498
06:31:59,480 --> 06:32:00,800
it's sitting on my desk.

6499
06:32:02,000 --> 06:32:02,900
No, no, no.

6500
06:32:04,220 --> 06:32:05,440
I've never used it

6501
06:32:05,440 --> 06:32:05,760
though.

6502
06:32:08,120 --> 06:32:08,920
There's that.

6503
06:32:11,000 --> 06:32:11,440
Wait,

6504
06:32:11,540 --> 06:32:13,340
there's one ADA and one NFT

6505
06:32:13,340 --> 06:32:15,420
on it, I think. And now I have

6506
06:32:15,420 --> 06:32:17,260
no idea where it is. It might be in a box somewhere.

6507
06:32:18,060 --> 06:32:19,260
I just want to see if it worked.

6508
06:32:19,620 --> 06:32:21,560
And then I have all my

6509
06:32:21,560 --> 06:32:23,140
shit at home now. It's new.

6510
06:32:23,620 --> 06:32:25,420
I don't have that software on this

6511
06:32:25,420 --> 06:32:25,840
computer.

6512
06:32:27,120 --> 06:32:29,140
So, GG's to that wallet.

6513
06:32:29,480 --> 06:32:31,340
or hardware wallet.

6514
06:32:31,500 --> 06:32:31,880
I don't know.

6515
06:32:32,780 --> 06:32:33,700
I have too many,

6516
06:32:34,060 --> 06:32:35,020
like,

6517
06:32:35,140 --> 06:32:36,480
I have too many addresses, bro.

6518
06:32:36,520 --> 06:32:37,600
I can't be dealing with, like,

6519
06:32:37,620 --> 06:32:38,240
a hardware wallet.

6520
06:32:39,400 --> 06:32:41,940
Bro, I know a better solution for that,

6521
06:32:42,000 --> 06:32:42,880
but I'll talk about it later.

6522
06:32:43,140 --> 06:32:43,480
Better.

6523
06:32:44,060 --> 06:32:44,660
Wait, wait, no.

6524
06:32:44,720 --> 06:32:45,940
Do you have a better solution

6525
06:32:45,940 --> 06:32:48,080
than a fucking black notebook

6526
06:32:48,080 --> 06:32:49,140
that has, like,

6527
06:32:49,220 --> 06:32:52,040
50 to 100 pages

6528
06:32:52,040 --> 06:32:53,760
with four C phrases per page,

6529
06:32:53,860 --> 06:32:54,480
each page?

6530
06:32:54,480 --> 06:32:55,840
Bro, best solution.

6531
06:32:56,460 --> 06:32:57,900
I haven't converted it either,

6532
06:32:58,100 --> 06:32:58,740
so I have no idea

6533
06:32:58,740 --> 06:33:06,660
how to get this like fixed oh you have that many seed phrases that's dude i have so many it's

6534
06:33:06,660 --> 06:33:11,300
micro if i sent you a picture i can't really send you a picture of the book yeah do not but like

6535
06:33:11,300 --> 06:33:17,860
like you can send me a picture of the book yeah you can send a picture but like there's no shortage

6536
06:33:17,860 --> 06:33:22,020
there's no shortage of blockchains either that's like the other part so it's like i would need to

6537
06:33:22,020 --> 06:33:26,120
Why did you reuse the seed phrase in different blockchains?

6538
06:33:27,900 --> 06:33:32,200
I never thought of using a custom seed phrase, to be honest.

6539
06:33:32,200 --> 06:33:32,960
You could do that?

6540
06:33:33,300 --> 06:33:34,800
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck?

6541
06:33:34,820 --> 06:33:36,080
I'm out of here fucking writing.

6542
06:33:36,140 --> 06:33:38,080
I got, like, books on books on books.

6543
06:33:38,080 --> 06:33:40,380
I'm, like, stuck on them in my cars.

6544
06:33:40,680 --> 06:33:45,020
You can literally reuse the same seed phrase for basically any chain

6545
06:33:45,020 --> 06:33:46,720
because they all implement the same standard,

6546
06:33:47,200 --> 06:33:51,240
which is BIC32s seed, you know, words to...

6547
06:33:51,240 --> 06:33:52,460
has a key value.

6548
06:33:52,640 --> 06:33:53,760
Can you do that from like

6549
06:33:53,760 --> 06:33:55,140
in like a phantom wallet,

6550
06:33:55,260 --> 06:33:55,780
for instance?

6551
06:33:57,160 --> 06:33:58,220
Yeah, they all have

6552
06:33:58,220 --> 06:34:00,260
imported like seed phrase

6553
06:34:00,260 --> 06:34:01,220
and then you just type in

6554
06:34:01,220 --> 06:34:03,120
whichever existing seed phrase

6555
06:34:03,120 --> 06:34:03,660
you want to use.

6556
06:34:04,760 --> 06:34:05,640
Oh, you can.

6557
06:34:05,960 --> 06:34:07,860
Oh, man, I got a boner right now.

6558
06:34:07,900 --> 06:34:08,860
No, there's nothing.

6559
06:34:09,060 --> 06:34:09,380
What if?

6560
06:34:10,240 --> 06:34:10,800
Oh, because.

6561
06:34:11,080 --> 06:34:12,440
OK, that makes sense.

6562
06:34:13,380 --> 06:34:13,860
Yeah, yeah.

6563
06:34:13,860 --> 06:34:15,720
The reason comes from

6564
06:34:15,720 --> 06:34:17,900
because they all copied

6565
06:34:17,900 --> 06:34:19,480
Bitcoin standard,

6566
06:34:19,480 --> 06:34:29,340
which is the 20 there's 2048 words and you know way too late now yeah yeah yeah this is why i say

6567
06:34:29,340 --> 06:34:36,760
like a lot of people i mean the only risk you have is that that blockchain is like uh or if that

6568
06:34:36,760 --> 06:34:42,560
software you're downloading for that block if you weren't already using if you weren't already using

6569
06:34:42,560 --> 06:34:47,340
like like let's say this blockchain says here download this wallet and then you use your

6570
06:34:47,340 --> 06:34:53,740
imported seed phrase and that wallet is actually just fucking sending your seed phrase to some guy

6571
06:34:53,740 --> 06:35:00,520
like that would be where it's unfortunate yeah but if you're using like metamask and it's just

6572
06:35:00,520 --> 06:35:06,580
like you're using a different blockchain from like the same wallet well i guess you wouldn't even

6573
06:35:06,580 --> 06:35:11,340
think about putting it on another seed phrase i don't i yeah it's just like if you if you trust

6574
06:35:11,340 --> 06:35:18,260
the wallet you're like yeah you can use i have an average of like five per chain so technically i

6575
06:35:18,260 --> 06:35:25,000
would need way more than one yeah i mean you could have like five total basically yeah five five total

6576
06:35:25,000 --> 06:35:31,360
and then rinse them across whatever damn maybe that's how i do the this the reset up right or

6577
06:35:31,360 --> 06:35:37,360
like yeah once i consolidate sorry as they say yeah yeah i mean consolidation is gonna be a big

6578
06:35:37,360 --> 06:35:42,740
pain in the ass that's gonna be oh my god dude and it's gonna cost money huh and the worst part

6579
06:35:42,740 --> 06:35:50,180
is you can't even have ai to help you because ai will be like i cannot help you heck yourself

6580
06:35:50,180 --> 06:35:58,320
that would be dangerous the worst the worst is the bitcoin ordinal wallets it is out of control

6581
06:35:58,320 --> 06:36:07,180
like i have so many and i just let them shits die like i have wallets that i'm like fucking like i

6582
06:36:07,180 --> 06:36:13,600
I even left my seed phrase book in Japan and I'm like, I transferred the ones and created new wallets for the shit that I wanted.

6583
06:36:14,120 --> 06:36:15,540
And the other shit, I'm like, fuck it.

6584
06:36:15,760 --> 06:36:16,460
You know what I mean?

6585
06:36:16,580 --> 06:36:17,320
Like, fuck it.

6586
06:36:17,780 --> 06:36:18,620
And just take it.

6587
06:36:19,760 --> 06:36:20,260
Yeah, yeah.

6588
06:36:23,260 --> 06:36:30,320
I guess I could, I just don't know how to like, I don't know how to, and this is like a personal problem,

6589
06:36:30,320 --> 06:36:35,520
which is like, I don't know how to like separate the assets the way I should.

6590
06:36:35,520 --> 06:36:40,800
like like obviously there's things i want the ones that are worth something but like dude

6591
06:36:40,800 --> 06:36:47,200
all the bitcoin stuff too at the beginning all these things were patterned with like 10 000 sats

6592
06:36:47,200 --> 06:36:54,940
and i have thousands oh so like i can just like ship these off to a fucking anywhere because it's

6593
06:36:54,940 --> 06:37:00,440
just bitcoin attached to this shit so like well well here's the thing there's that problem the nft

6594
06:37:00,440 --> 06:37:03,040
doesn't really actually exist

6595
06:37:03,040 --> 06:37:03,980
on the Bitcoin letter.

6596
06:37:03,980 --> 06:37:06,860
You can just send all those sats

6597
06:37:06,860 --> 06:37:08,260
to yourself.

6598
06:37:08,800 --> 06:37:09,260
No problem.

6599
06:37:10,840 --> 06:37:12,640
Yeah, I know, but I have to make

6600
06:37:12,640 --> 06:37:15,280
these decisions, though, like what to get rid of,

6601
06:37:15,520 --> 06:37:16,620
which is like a problem.

6602
06:37:17,500 --> 06:37:18,380
What do you mean get rid of?

6603
06:37:18,860 --> 06:37:20,820
Well, as in like, I guess I mean

6604
06:37:20,820 --> 06:37:22,080
I don't have to get rid of them.

6605
06:37:22,080 --> 06:37:24,160
It's just I guess I've ever

6606
06:37:24,160 --> 06:37:26,160
wanted the money. I could just

6607
06:37:26,160 --> 06:37:28,140
strip them when I felt like stripping them.

6608
06:37:28,260 --> 06:37:30,120
I don't really. Yeah, yeah. You could use an ordinal

6609
06:37:30,120 --> 06:37:35,320
wallet just leave them out just in case that you know we get another pump you know what i'm saying

6610
06:37:35,320 --> 06:37:40,360
and then send them to my wallet yeah well so like you're throwing away sats

6611
06:37:41,560 --> 06:37:46,600
it could just not be throwing away sats yeah exactly yeah that's what i'm saying you could

6612
06:37:46,600 --> 06:37:54,120
send it if you send it all it is like regardless of the of the nft value it still is one sat

6613
06:37:54,120 --> 06:37:57,800
yeah one size one sat and it's just sitting there so what's the difference right yeah

6614
06:37:57,800 --> 06:38:00,020
unless it costs more to transfer out

6615
06:38:00,020 --> 06:38:01,980
I just want to consolidate everything

6616
06:38:01,980 --> 06:38:03,580
but at the same time I get nervous putting

6617
06:38:03,580 --> 06:38:05,120
all my eggs in one basket

6618
06:38:05,120 --> 06:38:08,120
so I need to at least have three baskets

6619
06:38:08,120 --> 06:38:10,420
yeah, five is reasonable

6620
06:38:10,420 --> 06:38:12,020
I mean, five

6621
06:38:12,020 --> 06:38:14,340
yeah, especially on chain I use a lot

6622
06:38:14,340 --> 06:38:16,300
five is appropriate

6623
06:38:16,300 --> 06:38:16,860
probably

6624
06:38:16,860 --> 06:38:20,100
yeah, five use different wallets

6625
06:38:20,100 --> 06:38:22,540
but then do you put all the nice stuff in one wallet

6626
06:38:22,540 --> 06:38:24,620
or do you spread it across the five

6627
06:38:24,620 --> 06:38:26,660
you're going to spread it across the five

6628
06:38:26,660 --> 06:38:28,500
Because that would make the most sense, right?

6629
06:38:29,000 --> 06:38:29,360
Yeah.

6630
06:38:29,540 --> 06:38:29,740
Yeah.

6631
06:38:30,080 --> 06:38:31,860
But, like, categorically in my brain,

6632
06:38:32,000 --> 06:38:36,120
I want things to be in one place that I know that I'm going to, like...

6633
06:38:36,120 --> 06:38:38,200
No, you should just, like, split it out.

6634
06:38:38,200 --> 06:38:39,920
And then, like...

6635
06:38:39,920 --> 06:38:41,720
Bank wallet, and then all the...

6636
06:38:41,720 --> 06:38:42,220
You know what I mean?

6637
06:38:45,220 --> 06:38:45,880
Yeah, I know.

6638
06:38:45,900 --> 06:38:46,920
Flipping wallets.

6639
06:38:47,920 --> 06:38:49,580
Flip them for funds.

6640
06:38:51,060 --> 06:38:52,580
I think that's Lucas' dog.

6641
06:38:52,880 --> 06:38:54,140
I think it's Phil's dog.

6642
06:38:54,520 --> 06:38:55,000
Oh, sorry.

6643
06:38:55,160 --> 06:38:55,600
That's numb.

6644
06:38:55,600 --> 06:39:01,320
bro get that dog a bone baby it sounded like cashier though no it didn't

6645
06:39:01,320 --> 06:39:09,260
he's offended no it didn't hey just get that real world asset i posted above all right the

6646
06:39:09,260 --> 06:39:15,360
ultimate crypto planner so until we get a better solution all right put that in rl okay real asset

6647
06:39:15,360 --> 06:39:23,460
you know what it is it's got that little dog um mark yeah dude if i heard that dog breaking in i

6648
06:39:23,460 --> 06:39:29,340
would keep breaking in like whoever's got that dog i'm coming inside you better have a gun you

6649
06:39:29,340 --> 06:39:35,060
better protect your wife and you better protect your backside because i might take that too

6650
06:39:35,060 --> 06:39:47,760
you like you said backends now you're talking about taking backends this guy loves the backends

6651
06:39:47,760 --> 06:39:54,100
hell yeah i love a back-end dev dude give me a back-end dev project i'm going deep

6652
06:39:54,100 --> 06:39:57,760
how deep

6653
06:39:57,760 --> 06:40:11,140
like all bone or half bone baby all bones no skin

6654
06:40:11,140 --> 06:40:14,720
what you got it all cut off

6655
06:40:14,720 --> 06:40:16,940
dang he went like extra

6656
06:40:16,940 --> 06:40:18,760
you on it he said we're gonna take

6657
06:40:18,760 --> 06:40:20,580
extra I got extra

6658
06:40:20,580 --> 06:40:29,220
too much skin on this thing

6659
06:40:29,220 --> 06:40:32,920
it's rib for her pleasure

6660
06:40:32,920 --> 06:40:33,740
that's okay

6661
06:40:41,140 --> 06:40:44,340
Phil kicked his dog.

6662
06:40:44,420 --> 06:40:45,440
You hear how quiet it got?

6663
06:40:45,680 --> 06:40:47,340
That dog was barking for hours.

6664
06:40:47,460 --> 06:40:48,200
He kicked that thing.

6665
06:40:49,940 --> 06:40:52,020
He taught her some fucking lessons.

6666
06:40:52,820 --> 06:40:56,080
I heard sorry, bark, and then it's been silent ever since.

6667
06:40:56,780 --> 06:40:57,200
Nice.

6668
06:41:03,900 --> 06:41:08,960
Lucas is being hetero, just sitting there with his little pedophilia picture.

6669
06:41:11,140 --> 06:41:16,660
imagine a pedophile just get all turned on by their child

6670
06:41:16,660 --> 06:41:23,280
dog bit his leg off he had to leave dog's like what you're gonna whoop me

6671
06:41:23,280 --> 06:41:27,620
what you seen that meme that shit's funny that dude says he's gonna whoop his dog's ass for

6672
06:41:27,620 --> 06:41:32,860
stealing his hot dog i think we're rugged because everybody's leaving i don't think so

6673
06:41:32,860 --> 06:41:37,580
I don't know, Esko's awful quiet

6674
06:41:37,580 --> 06:41:40,740
He's either drinking some IPAs

6675
06:41:40,740 --> 06:41:44,700
He's a man of the people

6676
06:41:44,700 --> 06:41:46,680
He's out here, he's probably doing three things

6677
06:41:46,680 --> 06:41:48,220
He's probably drinking an IPA

6678
06:41:48,220 --> 06:41:50,900
He's having a conversation he doesn't want to have right now

6679
06:41:50,900 --> 06:41:54,560
And, you know, he's looking at some

6680
06:41:54,560 --> 06:41:56,520
Suspect material on his computer

6681
06:41:56,520 --> 06:41:59,460
And he's clanking too

6682
06:41:59,460 --> 06:42:02,080
I mean, the clanker, he shouldn't even

6683
06:42:02,080 --> 06:42:04,780
If it's on a loop, it should just be running.

6684
06:42:05,060 --> 06:42:06,120
You don't even got to tell it.

6685
06:42:07,680 --> 06:42:09,100
This ain't the Fonz idea.

6686
06:42:09,340 --> 06:42:10,880
You got to hit the jukebox, you know?

6687
06:42:11,360 --> 06:42:12,120
Hit the clanker.

6688
06:42:12,900 --> 06:42:14,900
You got to hit the clanker on purpose.

6689
06:42:19,860 --> 06:42:22,460
Look at your picture, Luke, because I was going to say, what happened?

6690
06:42:23,480 --> 06:42:24,260
What happened?

6691
06:42:24,560 --> 06:42:24,860
What?

6692
06:42:25,200 --> 06:42:27,460
You're such a good, honest kid.

6693
06:42:28,320 --> 06:42:29,380
No, I wasn't.

6694
06:42:29,380 --> 06:42:30,520
Oh, I said that.

6695
06:42:30,520 --> 06:42:32,900
He was running mafios

6696
06:42:32,900 --> 06:42:34,400
from the age of six.

6697
06:42:35,600 --> 06:42:37,300
Right? I know he was telling me

6698
06:42:37,300 --> 06:42:39,040
some stories when he was, like,

6699
06:42:39,060 --> 06:42:40,980
making some psychedelics in his basement.

6700
06:42:42,880 --> 06:42:43,320
In college.

6701
06:42:43,320 --> 06:42:44,380
He was the kind of kid that took,

6702
06:42:45,160 --> 06:42:47,040
invited you over to his house and he's like, hey, let's put the

6703
06:42:47,040 --> 06:42:49,020
army men and the forks in the microwave and see

6704
06:42:49,020 --> 06:42:51,260
what happens, you know? Just running science experiments.

6705
06:42:52,060 --> 06:42:53,040
And then blaming on you

6706
06:42:53,040 --> 06:42:54,760
so his mom didn't let you come over no more.

6707
06:42:55,320 --> 06:42:56,320
He was fucked up with his

6708
06:42:56,320 --> 06:42:57,420
friends.

6709
06:42:58,760 --> 06:42:59,740
So what happened again?

6710
06:43:00,520 --> 06:43:02,520
We thought you were.

6711
06:43:02,520 --> 06:43:04,520
No, no, no.

6712
06:43:04,520 --> 06:43:06,520
This is what happened.

6713
06:43:06,520 --> 06:43:07,520
Let me tell you.

6714
06:43:07,520 --> 06:43:08,520
So this is what happened, bro.

6715
06:43:08,520 --> 06:43:12,520
My daughter pulled up in my office and said, yo, dad, I want to listen to some fire music.

6716
06:43:12,520 --> 06:43:13,520
I was like, say less.

6717
06:43:13,520 --> 06:43:15,520
So I started playing Adele, you know what I'm saying?

6718
06:43:15,520 --> 06:43:16,520
She's over here.

6719
06:43:16,520 --> 06:43:21,520
And I say fire to the rain.

6720
06:43:21,520 --> 06:43:22,520
You know what I'm saying?

6721
06:43:22,520 --> 06:43:24,520
How can I stop?

6722
06:43:24,520 --> 06:43:26,520
So that's what it is, bro.

6723
06:43:26,520 --> 06:43:29,520
So, you know, we got, yo, shout out to Benny down there.

6724
06:43:29,520 --> 06:43:34,340
see you haven't seen bennie in a minute but no life is good my daughter wants to listen how can

6725
06:43:34,340 --> 06:43:40,040
you deprive us of that how could you deprive us of you singing a doll we get to hear you sing all

6726
06:43:40,040 --> 06:43:46,020
this rap and then you finally got some good music though you ain't gonna sing for it oh my dad my

6727
06:43:46,020 --> 06:43:51,800
dad was like shine bright like a diamond i'm like damn bro like what wait wait wait why are you

6728
06:43:51,800 --> 06:43:56,760
choosing the ops right now shorty he said we're all in on bitcoin shine bright like a bitcoin

6729
06:43:56,760 --> 06:44:05,740
no like dead ass that's what was going on though not even in a cap so and then mom pulled up with

6730
06:44:05,740 --> 06:44:09,540
a little bowl of cereal and she's like i gotta go i was like okay say less

6731
06:44:09,540 --> 06:44:17,560
sold you out for food he's offering bitcoin she says oh wait captain crunch i'm out of here i am

6732
06:44:17,560 --> 06:44:26,000
gone you ever seen that one kid he sits his dad sits him down and he and he hands him oreos and

6733
06:44:26,000 --> 06:44:32,080
there's like a a wop of like a thousand he's like hey son if you can have this or these oreos which

6734
06:44:32,080 --> 06:44:41,800
ones you taking the kids like i'll take the oreos i'm like oh shit bro you ever go through your

6735
06:44:41,800 --> 06:44:46,780
computer files and you're like why the hell did i name this this like this is the craziest name

6736
06:44:46,780 --> 06:44:52,300
i built this website in five minutes so you better check those files it might be where you're trying

6737
06:44:52,300 --> 06:44:54,360
a high dot. Like, I remember back in the day

6738
06:44:54,360 --> 06:44:56,280
if you were a kid on VCRs, you'd put

6739
06:44:56,280 --> 06:44:58,080
in like a labeled

6740
06:44:58,080 --> 06:45:00,380
VCR tape that said Bambi

6741
06:45:00,380 --> 06:45:02,160
and you're like, oh, sweet, you know?

6742
06:45:02,340 --> 06:45:03,860
Mom, dad copied Bambi.

6743
06:45:04,000 --> 06:45:05,760
And then you put it in the VCR

6744
06:45:05,760 --> 06:45:07,940
and it was porno. And they're just, oh,

6745
06:45:08,080 --> 06:45:09,940
big hairy bushes just clapping. You're like,

6746
06:45:09,980 --> 06:45:12,220
this ain't Bambi, fuckers. And you got a rug.

6747
06:45:12,780 --> 06:45:13,720
That was my first rug.

6748
06:45:14,480 --> 06:45:15,480
I thought we had Bambi.

6749
06:45:16,860 --> 06:45:18,320
It's like Debbie does Dallas or some

6750
06:45:18,320 --> 06:45:20,360
shit. Dude, shout out VHS

6751
06:45:20,360 --> 06:45:25,960
tapes that you had no idea what was on them it was scary man it was scary you're like

6752
06:45:25,960 --> 06:45:32,600
it was like those movies you know or the oh dude we pulled out the titanic the second tape you put

6753
06:45:32,600 --> 06:45:37,080
that in just to get a little rub job in then you find out the director's hand was on the car you're

6754
06:45:37,080 --> 06:45:43,480
like oh no right i'm gonna be a rose he kept rewinding why rose was getting painted and draw

6755
06:45:43,480 --> 06:45:49,320
these everyone go rewind go and your mom will walk in you trying to like i didn't even rewind the tape

6756
06:45:49,320 --> 06:45:51,560
I couldn't even set it all the way back to the beginning.

6757
06:45:54,920 --> 06:45:56,080
You don't know.

6758
06:45:56,140 --> 06:45:56,980
You're not from my time.

6759
06:45:57,140 --> 06:46:01,060
You turn into like channel like 96 at like 3 in the morning

6760
06:46:01,060 --> 06:46:05,260
and put some aluminum foil on top of your antenna

6761
06:46:05,260 --> 06:46:07,360
and you'd get like a scrambled titty.

6762
06:46:07,680 --> 06:46:08,220
All right.

6763
06:46:09,100 --> 06:46:10,460
Yeah, back in the day.

6764
06:46:10,480 --> 06:46:11,000
I'm about to.

6765
06:46:13,800 --> 06:46:15,220
You scared of titties, Micro?

6766
06:46:16,080 --> 06:46:17,520
No, I'm about to watch the code.

6767
06:46:17,580 --> 06:46:17,960
Yes.

6768
06:46:17,960 --> 06:46:20,340
Ain't nobody trying to be shy of titties

6769
06:46:20,340 --> 06:46:21,920
When we doing that

6770
06:46:21,920 --> 06:46:24,740
Big tits, Sam

6771
06:46:24,740 --> 06:46:26,840
Oh, Sam Altman is afraid of them

6772
06:46:26,840 --> 06:46:27,640
Big

6773
06:46:27,640 --> 06:46:30,300
No, no, no, we got a different one

6774
06:46:30,300 --> 06:46:31,360
Big booty titinas

6775
06:46:31,360 --> 06:46:35,100
I'm telling you, someone needs to take

6776
06:46:35,100 --> 06:46:37,420
clays and make celebrities

6777
06:46:37,420 --> 06:46:39,340
And instead of make a metaverse

6778
06:46:39,340 --> 06:46:41,340
Where it's a boxing match and do like celebrity

6779
06:46:41,340 --> 06:46:43,160
Deathmatch back in the day and put

6780
06:46:43,160 --> 06:46:45,480
Elon and Sam Altman's autistic asses

6781
06:46:45,480 --> 06:46:46,560
In there and let them like

6782
06:46:46,560 --> 06:46:48,420
just beat the fuck out of each other.

6783
06:46:48,500 --> 06:46:49,840
That shit would be so funny.

6784
06:46:50,180 --> 06:46:51,380
It'd make so much money.

6785
06:46:51,860 --> 06:46:52,660
And I would love you.

6786
06:46:53,000 --> 06:46:53,980
I'd watch it all day.

6787
06:46:54,760 --> 06:46:55,840
Someone needs to do that, please.

6788
06:46:59,680 --> 06:47:00,500
Roger that.

6789
06:47:01,320 --> 06:47:01,880
Yo, but anyways,

6790
06:47:02,000 --> 06:47:03,740
what's been going on?

6791
06:47:03,780 --> 06:47:05,560
My phone is hot as hell for some reason.

6792
06:47:05,960 --> 06:47:06,160
What?

6793
06:47:07,160 --> 06:47:08,560
From all that porno you watched.

6794
06:47:08,560 --> 06:47:10,440
All that Sam Altman.

6795
06:47:10,800 --> 06:47:13,000
Apparently, you guys are the equivalent of porn

6796
06:47:13,000 --> 06:47:14,560
because I've been looking at nothing

6797
06:47:14,560 --> 06:47:15,500
and my phone is hot.

6798
06:47:15,500 --> 06:47:18,300
Yeah right you got Sam Oatman

6799
06:47:18,300 --> 06:47:19,380
On the speed dial

6800
06:47:19,380 --> 06:47:20,520
Yeah bro you got

6801
06:47:20,520 --> 06:47:24,260
That Sam Oatman Daphne tape over there

6802
06:47:24,260 --> 06:47:25,240
Why are they acting crazy bro

6803
06:47:25,240 --> 06:47:27,520
Why are they acting crazy man

6804
06:47:27,520 --> 06:47:28,820
You're about to make me

6805
06:47:28,820 --> 06:47:30,500
Hold on

6806
06:47:30,500 --> 06:47:35,360
Shout out to Liberty Deathmatch

6807
06:47:35,360 --> 06:47:36,640
That shit was crazy

6808
06:47:36,640 --> 06:47:39,220
Ryan telling you

6809
06:47:39,220 --> 06:47:42,240
Man I think Elon and Sam would appreciate it

6810
06:47:42,240 --> 06:47:44,160
If you had them just beat the piss out of each other

6811
06:47:44,160 --> 06:47:46,240
in the ring, they would both laugh.

6812
06:47:46,760 --> 06:47:47,480
Guarantee it.

6813
06:47:47,920 --> 06:47:49,840
It doesn't matter how much you defend

6814
06:47:49,840 --> 06:47:52,000
some old man's gay ass with his boyfriend,

6815
06:47:52,140 --> 06:47:53,980
husband, or whatever. You ain't getting no

6816
06:47:53,980 --> 06:47:54,920
free credits, bro.

6817
06:47:55,440 --> 06:47:58,020
You learned that flamethrowers and fucking rockets.

6818
06:47:59,020 --> 06:47:59,520
You would...

6819
06:47:59,520 --> 06:48:02,060
The choices you have are

6820
06:48:02,060 --> 06:48:03,760
Dario, who is a

6821
06:48:03,760 --> 06:48:05,920
gay man, and Sam

6822
06:48:05,920 --> 06:48:07,000
Altman, who bangs dudes.

6823
06:48:07,320 --> 06:48:09,380
Take your pick on who you want to get any out of.

6824
06:48:09,380 --> 06:48:11,580
Elon would run him over in the cyber truck,

6825
06:48:11,800 --> 06:48:13,060
get out with the flamethrower,

6826
06:48:13,060 --> 06:48:14,900
and then shit their ass

6827
06:48:14,900 --> 06:48:16,100
on the fucking Falcon Heavy.

6828
06:48:16,100 --> 06:48:16,660
Yo, like, okay,

6829
06:48:16,840 --> 06:48:17,500
honest truth.

6830
06:48:19,300 --> 06:48:20,680
Isn't Sam Allman

6831
06:48:20,680 --> 06:48:21,540
got like a husband

6832
06:48:21,540 --> 06:48:22,040
and everything?

6833
06:48:23,120 --> 06:48:23,720
Yes, he does.

6834
06:48:23,820 --> 06:48:24,280
He bangs you.

6835
06:48:24,300 --> 06:48:25,180
He made a secret wedding.

6836
06:48:25,340 --> 06:48:25,860
Partner.

6837
06:48:26,500 --> 06:48:26,940
Hi, cool.

6838
06:48:27,160 --> 06:48:27,460
So,

6839
06:48:28,100 --> 06:48:28,960
he legit gay.

6840
06:48:29,200 --> 06:48:29,780
That's fine.

6841
06:48:30,260 --> 06:48:30,660
I don't have a...

6842
06:48:30,660 --> 06:48:31,200
No, no, no.

6843
06:48:31,220 --> 06:48:31,800
He bangs.

6844
06:48:33,240 --> 06:48:33,780
Oh, my God.

6845
06:48:33,780 --> 06:48:34,640
He bangs dudes.

6846
06:48:34,900 --> 06:48:35,280
Dude.

6847
06:48:38,500 --> 06:48:39,320
There's a difference.

6848
06:48:39,460 --> 06:48:40,940
Dario is actually gay.

6849
06:48:41,140 --> 06:48:41,960
Okay, hold on.

6850
06:48:41,960 --> 06:48:43,420
Sam Allman just bangs dudes.

6851
06:48:43,420 --> 06:48:45,300
And then Dario, okay, that's fine, hold on.

6852
06:48:45,320 --> 06:48:46,840
And he's in a partnership with dudes.

6853
06:48:47,240 --> 06:48:49,640
So Sam Allman over there is doing his thing, whatever.

6854
06:48:50,160 --> 06:48:51,280
But how about Dario?

6855
06:48:51,620 --> 06:48:53,120
You know, Anthropic Dario.

6856
06:48:55,440 --> 06:48:56,940
He also have a husband?

6857
06:48:58,320 --> 06:49:00,120
No, but he's, like, mad gay.

6858
06:49:01,020 --> 06:49:02,660
Yeah, him and Phil hang out all the time.

6859
06:49:03,780 --> 06:49:04,220
Damn.

6860
06:49:04,420 --> 06:49:07,280
I'm pretty sure every woman he's ever been with is, like,

6861
06:49:08,040 --> 06:49:09,520
went lesbian or some shit.

6862
06:49:09,560 --> 06:49:10,860
I think Phil doesn't like him, right?

6863
06:49:10,860 --> 06:49:12,440
I heard Phil call him like a moron

6864
06:49:12,440 --> 06:49:13,300
and all kinds of shit.

6865
06:49:13,580 --> 06:49:14,320
This is the difference.

6866
06:49:14,620 --> 06:49:16,600
One of them is legitimately

6867
06:49:16,600 --> 06:49:20,460
and the other one is speculating.

6868
06:49:20,500 --> 06:49:21,120
Yeah, I know.

6869
06:49:21,200 --> 06:49:21,760
That's Dario.

6870
06:49:22,480 --> 06:49:23,480
How do you guys know?

6871
06:49:23,580 --> 06:49:24,220
Did you check?

6872
06:49:24,560 --> 06:49:25,340
Did you say something?

6873
06:49:26,780 --> 06:49:29,340
The reason Dario is so gay

6874
06:49:29,340 --> 06:49:31,260
is because of the things he...

6875
06:49:31,260 --> 06:49:32,600
Like, just his framing

6876
06:49:32,600 --> 06:49:33,940
and how he fucking talks.

6877
06:49:33,940 --> 06:49:35,040
It's because he ain't giving you

6878
06:49:35,040 --> 06:49:36,240
no free credits, bro.

6879
06:49:36,320 --> 06:49:37,100
That's the difference.

6880
06:49:37,220 --> 06:49:38,360
That's the only difference

6881
06:49:38,360 --> 06:49:40,320
because if you had unlimited

6882
06:49:40,320 --> 06:49:41,580
it, Claude.

6883
06:49:42,120 --> 06:49:43,940
You wouldn't even be saying that, bro.

6884
06:49:44,580 --> 06:49:46,460
He's too homosexual to ever do that.

6885
06:49:48,940 --> 06:49:50,580
Unlike the actual homosexual

6886
06:49:50,580 --> 06:49:52,220
man who's giving me free credits.

6887
06:49:52,280 --> 06:49:54,900
We are never getting canceled after this one.

6888
06:49:56,900 --> 06:49:58,360
Dario's too homosexual

6889
06:49:58,360 --> 06:50:00,420
to ever give a man

6890
06:50:00,420 --> 06:50:02,440
free credits. You know what that guy does?

6891
06:50:03,080 --> 06:50:04,540
He watches OpenAI

6892
06:50:04,540 --> 06:50:06,500
do all this shit and he's like,

6893
06:50:06,500 --> 06:50:08,160
man, I can't let these guys win.

6894
06:50:08,460 --> 06:50:09,760
So he copies them.

6895
06:50:09,760 --> 06:50:11,680
he's not even original

6896
06:50:11,680 --> 06:50:14,760
it is crazy work bro

6897
06:50:14,760 --> 06:50:16,640
yeah yeah

6898
06:50:16,640 --> 06:50:18,900
the funniest part is I just use both

6899
06:50:18,900 --> 06:50:22,840
I use both of these

6900
06:50:22,840 --> 06:50:24,820
gay men's fucking AI

6901
06:50:24,820 --> 06:50:27,040
tools to like power my shit

6902
06:50:27,040 --> 06:50:28,140
and like

6903
06:50:28,140 --> 06:50:29,720
you know

6904
06:50:29,720 --> 06:50:31,840
it'd be what it'd be

6905
06:50:31,840 --> 06:50:34,800
what did Sam Olvin say to his boyfriend when he's ready

6906
06:50:34,800 --> 06:50:36,440
for oil or oral

6907
06:50:36,440 --> 06:50:37,600
open AI

6908
06:50:37,600 --> 06:50:39,400
he's like yeah

6909
06:50:39,400 --> 06:50:41,400
I was going to say at least he's not Dario.

6910
06:50:43,940 --> 06:50:46,180
The funny part is Dario did work at OpenAI.

6911
06:50:46,700 --> 06:50:51,260
And then he leaves OpenAI saying that Sam is like a fucking psychopath.

6912
06:50:52,000 --> 06:50:53,620
Or a sociopath, actually.

6913
06:50:54,820 --> 06:50:56,080
I love both of them, right?

6914
06:50:56,100 --> 06:50:56,920
That's kind of fire.

6915
06:50:57,400 --> 06:51:00,260
I'm down with people being sociopaths.

6916
06:51:00,720 --> 06:51:02,880
I love their applications, though.

6917
06:51:02,880 --> 06:51:07,620
Like, I got the GPT on OpenAI loaded up that I can do shit with.

6918
06:51:07,620 --> 06:51:11,940
and then I got the clawed as the fucking just the full crack dev.

6919
06:51:12,020 --> 06:51:14,540
I used to say we want crack devs.

6920
06:51:14,900 --> 06:51:16,680
This is the epitome of crack devs.

6921
06:51:16,720 --> 06:51:17,460
They don't sleep.

6922
06:51:17,820 --> 06:51:18,480
They don't eat.

6923
06:51:18,900 --> 06:51:19,440
You know what I mean?

6924
06:51:19,480 --> 06:51:20,560
They just run out of tokens.

6925
06:51:20,700 --> 06:51:21,500
They do eat tokens.

6926
06:51:21,660 --> 06:51:22,340
They do eat your money.

6927
06:51:22,340 --> 06:51:24,020
The only thing they lack is consequences.

6928
06:51:24,400 --> 06:51:28,020
An AI will make some shit, and that shit fucking breaks on you.

6929
06:51:28,720 --> 06:51:31,060
It's like, okay, I'll help you go fix it.

6930
06:51:31,580 --> 06:51:32,760
It doesn't have any urgency.

6931
06:51:32,760 --> 06:51:36,080
It doesn't have any, like, it fucked up hard.

6932
06:51:36,080 --> 06:51:38,860
That's why I never let it go all the way through

6933
06:51:38,860 --> 06:51:40,780
But it doesn't actually care

6934
06:51:40,780 --> 06:51:43,120
Do checkpoints and then like

6935
06:51:43,120 --> 06:51:45,060
Run it back through like so I'll have like

6936
06:51:45,060 --> 06:51:46,600
My codex check

6937
06:51:46,600 --> 06:51:49,180
I haven't heard Riley say

6938
06:51:49,180 --> 06:51:51,280
A goddamn word in hours

6939
06:51:51,280 --> 06:51:53,120
He's worried

6940
06:51:53,120 --> 06:51:54,700
Hyperliquid went down like

6941
06:51:54,700 --> 06:51:56,480
14,000%

6942
06:51:56,480 --> 06:51:58,820
He's trying to get Hyken ready for the next release

6943
06:51:58,820 --> 06:52:00,420
Actually we should

6944
06:52:00,420 --> 06:52:02,160
I should be selling

6945
06:52:02,160 --> 06:52:04,100
Because you ain't got no Hype you hate

6946
06:52:04,100 --> 06:52:11,100
no whenever riley's quiet he's selling you don't know you're up now you're up now

6947
06:52:11,100 --> 06:52:18,260
right how far up is hype actually riley's gonna make sure that i i dump with him not against you'll

6948
06:52:18,260 --> 06:52:22,960
hear riley come in the next day and he's like oh man what were you guys doing i was down there

6949
06:52:22,960 --> 06:52:28,860
selling i bought me a brand new ferrari and he's gonna have less hair but bigger muscles and more

6950
06:52:28,860 --> 06:52:33,520
beard it's gonna be crazy full head around go riley i hope you sell on everybody

6951
06:52:33,520 --> 06:52:37,280
I'm about to do a big dumping

6952
06:52:37,280 --> 06:52:38,520
on the space. Are you ready?

6953
06:52:41,240 --> 06:52:42,680
Okay. Dex

6954
06:52:42,680 --> 06:52:45,000
Hunter. If Hyperliquid dumps,

6955
06:52:45,260 --> 06:52:46,640
I'm going to like...

6956
06:52:46,640 --> 06:52:48,800
No, no, no. I ain't dumping

6957
06:52:48,800 --> 06:52:50,960
the horse that's winning.

6958
06:52:51,720 --> 06:52:51,960
What?

6959
06:52:52,340 --> 06:52:54,720
But you know what I'm dumping.

6960
06:52:54,720 --> 06:52:55,360
I want to keep winning.

6961
06:52:55,680 --> 06:52:58,680
Let's see if you can guess.

6962
06:53:00,540 --> 06:53:01,140
Dex Hunter.

6963
06:53:01,220 --> 06:53:02,900
Let's start with a

6964
06:53:02,900 --> 06:53:03,260
I.

6965
06:53:07,540 --> 06:53:09,240
It starts with an I.

6966
06:53:09,340 --> 06:53:11,360
It starts with an I and I'm clicking on Max.

6967
06:53:11,360 --> 06:53:12,640
Does it end in astronaut?

6968
06:53:13,360 --> 06:53:14,980
I am clicking Max

6969
06:53:14,980 --> 06:53:16,780
right now. Big dumping

6970
06:53:16,780 --> 06:53:17,620
of fun.

6971
06:53:20,100 --> 06:53:21,360
I can't do it right now

6972
06:53:21,360 --> 06:53:22,320
because I already told you.

6973
06:53:22,320 --> 06:53:24,140
The next letter A

6974
06:53:24,140 --> 06:53:26,620
is A

6975
06:53:26,620 --> 06:53:28,220
for astronaut.

6976
06:53:29,720 --> 06:53:30,820
No, they were not my wallets

6977
06:53:30,820 --> 06:53:32,500
and I can't be dumping

6978
06:53:32,500 --> 06:53:33,760
in public because

6979
06:53:33,760 --> 06:53:35,400
they can

6980
06:53:35,400 --> 06:53:36,520
oh they will know

6981
06:53:36,520 --> 06:53:37,460
my wallet though

6982
06:53:37,460 --> 06:53:40,040
I'm sorry

6983
06:53:40,040 --> 06:53:41,700
why are we doing that

6984
06:53:41,700 --> 06:53:42,940
you just dump everything

6985
06:53:42,940 --> 06:53:44,200
and then just move

6986
06:53:44,200 --> 06:53:44,720
all your funds

6987
06:53:44,720 --> 06:53:45,860
to a crypto exchange

6988
06:53:45,860 --> 06:53:50,740
crypto exchange it up

6989
06:53:50,740 --> 06:53:51,760
Kraken is a very

6990
06:53:51,760 --> 06:53:52,560
welcome place

6991
06:53:52,560 --> 06:53:53,520
to like

6992
06:53:53,520 --> 06:53:54,700
custody of your funds

6993
06:53:54,700 --> 06:53:56,920
to the rain

6994
06:53:56,920 --> 06:53:57,800
in the

6995
06:53:57,800 --> 06:53:58,760
oh

6996
06:53:58,760 --> 06:54:01,980
and this is actually

6997
06:54:01,980 --> 06:54:02,340
like

6998
06:54:02,340 --> 06:54:03,640
Babe got that pumpy.

6999
06:54:04,760 --> 06:54:05,200
Hmm.

7000
06:54:09,520 --> 06:54:10,000
Hmm.

7001
06:54:11,340 --> 06:54:11,780
Anyways.

7002
06:54:12,680 --> 06:54:12,980
Yo.

7003
06:54:13,400 --> 06:54:15,040
Yo, shout out to the boy Dan.

7004
06:54:15,260 --> 06:54:19,320
We're about to go to fucking goddamn Las Vegas, amigo.

7005
06:54:21,260 --> 06:54:22,060
It's going to be fun.

7006
06:54:23,820 --> 06:54:25,420
Shout out to the homie Dan, bro.

7007
06:54:26,300 --> 06:54:29,960
And then also, actually, I ain't even going to say all that much more.

7008
06:54:32,340 --> 06:54:37,040
yeah we're going

7009
06:54:37,040 --> 06:54:39,920
you better bring so much Vegemite

7010
06:54:39,920 --> 06:54:41,680
we're gonna have a fucking stomachache

7011
06:54:41,680 --> 06:54:47,760
Vegemite

7012
06:54:47,760 --> 06:54:49,520
that's funny

7013
06:54:49,520 --> 06:54:50,880
that whole thing

7014
06:54:50,880 --> 06:54:53,820
there's a little something in every country

7015
06:54:53,820 --> 06:54:55,820
I tried some

7016
06:54:55,820 --> 06:54:57,780
I went to

7017
06:54:57,780 --> 06:54:59,000
this one Thai restaurant

7018
06:54:59,000 --> 06:55:00,200
they had this

7019
06:55:00,200 --> 06:55:09,520
like old age like uh thai dessert and it's like this this kind of like almost chicken meat

7020
06:55:09,520 --> 06:55:18,140
in like uh cold water and cold rice so you had cold rice cold water and then this like

7021
06:55:18,140 --> 06:55:24,980
semi-sweet like kind of meat like chicken thing that like was over top of it very

7022
06:55:24,980 --> 06:55:30,660
very like you could tell it wasn't very sweet so you could tell it's like this is like what people

7023
06:55:30,660 --> 06:55:39,260
ate way back in the day but it was good it's interesting i don't even know the name of it

7024
06:55:39,260 --> 06:55:43,840
by the way it probably doesn't even have a name to be honest i think uh i think

7025
06:55:43,840 --> 06:55:48,320
melonito has all of my wallet's blackmail because i can't even make it

7026
06:55:48,320 --> 06:55:54,340
He ain't letting me swap, bro.

7027
06:55:56,020 --> 06:55:57,500
Dude, you just got to pay him the fee.

7028
06:55:57,600 --> 06:55:58,200
I'll let you swap.

7029
06:55:58,940 --> 06:56:00,340
Just go to Steel Swap.

7030
06:56:00,520 --> 06:56:01,680
Just go to Steel Swap.

7031
06:56:02,180 --> 06:56:02,760
Oh, yeah.

7032
06:56:02,840 --> 06:56:04,460
Steel Swap actually is pretty good.

7033
06:56:05,480 --> 06:56:06,660
Or Hoski Swap.

7034
06:56:07,320 --> 06:56:09,700
I don't know why more people don't use Hoski Swap.

7035
06:56:10,680 --> 06:56:11,680
Probably because of Hoski.

7036
06:56:11,720 --> 06:56:13,340
I like Hoski, but...

7037
06:56:13,340 --> 06:56:16,180
I use Steel Swap just because of the same way.

7038
06:56:17,320 --> 06:56:17,620
I quit.

7039
06:56:17,620 --> 06:56:28,420
i was happy like splash or spectrum or whatever i'm glad they separated from melon um personally

7040
06:56:28,420 --> 06:56:37,860
i use steel swapping ways yeah i got no beef with them at all it's tuesday

7041
06:56:39,220 --> 06:56:43,380
i don't have beef with them i respect them you know if i was like as gangster as that i would

7042
06:56:43,380 --> 06:56:48,180
like code something so when people finally trace my wallet the last thing that i'd go to they'd have

7043
06:56:48,180 --> 06:56:54,420
to open a message it's never melon that's like doing all this it's just oh he's sold he's sold

7044
06:56:56,020 --> 06:56:58,820
no one doesn't even know how to use like a crypto wallet

7045
06:56:58,820 --> 06:57:05,220
pretty much he's just like really good ui ux like that is his like fucking forte

7046
06:57:05,220 --> 06:57:09,660
He's like front end guy to the max.

7047
06:57:10,220 --> 06:57:11,680
Like, Melon is very good at front end.

7048
06:57:14,920 --> 06:57:15,820
Yo, why?

7049
06:57:16,020 --> 06:57:19,120
I'm clicking swap, swap, swap, and it just won't.

7050
06:57:20,720 --> 06:57:21,680
Do you have enough, Ada?

7051
06:57:22,840 --> 06:57:24,300
You told me you sold it all.

7052
06:57:24,780 --> 06:57:26,940
You got to have like 25 just to do a swap on it.

7053
06:57:26,940 --> 06:57:27,920
Let me check, let me check.

7054
06:57:29,580 --> 06:57:29,940
Yay.

7055
06:57:30,820 --> 06:57:31,500
Let's see.

7056
06:57:31,500 --> 06:57:38,500
I'll send some to it just to make sure.

7057
06:57:38,500 --> 06:57:51,960
Let's see what time it is.

7058
06:57:51,960 --> 06:58:00,160
Yo, so are we betting on tomorrow's game or what?

7059
06:58:00,160 --> 06:58:01,280
Lucas. Oh, yeah.

7060
06:58:02,360 --> 06:58:02,700
What?

7061
06:58:03,220 --> 06:58:06,060
Since Brazil got fucking

7062
06:58:06,060 --> 06:58:06,500
upset,

7063
06:58:06,500 --> 06:58:08,920
I'll be betting tomorrow on.

7064
06:58:10,340 --> 06:58:12,160
Bro, it's Spain all day, dude.

7065
06:58:12,460 --> 06:58:13,880
Fuck New England or England,

7066
06:58:14,000 --> 06:58:15,380
whatever them boys are saying.

7067
06:58:16,520 --> 06:58:18,360
Oh, it's Argentina versus England next.

7068
06:58:18,620 --> 06:58:20,320
Yeah, Argentina's going to smoke them boys

7069
06:58:20,320 --> 06:58:22,600
and then Messi going to fall out

7070
06:58:22,600 --> 06:58:24,180
and break his legs. Is it already the finals?

7071
06:58:24,640 --> 06:58:25,500
Like, is it

7072
06:58:25,500 --> 06:58:27,680
Spain versus whoever? No.

7073
06:58:27,920 --> 06:58:29,700
That means. Yeah, yeah.

7074
06:58:29,700 --> 06:58:31,600
So semifinals is what's ongoing.

7075
06:58:32,260 --> 06:58:34,140
Spain beat France in the semifinals.

7076
06:58:35,140 --> 06:58:36,780
Argentina versus England tomorrow.

7077
06:58:37,100 --> 06:58:38,160
It could go either way.

7078
06:58:38,820 --> 06:58:38,980
Right.

7079
06:58:39,000 --> 06:58:40,960
A lot of people think Argentina is probably going to win.

7080
06:58:41,040 --> 06:58:41,840
But England's strong.

7081
06:58:42,360 --> 06:58:44,820
I think it'll be England and Spain.

7082
06:58:45,160 --> 06:58:51,000
And then it'll be Spain versus either England or Argentina.

7083
06:58:51,780 --> 06:58:52,420
Okay, got it.

7084
06:58:53,200 --> 06:58:53,920
It's hard to say.

7085
06:58:55,000 --> 06:58:56,560
Any team honestly deserves it.

7086
06:58:56,600 --> 06:58:57,100
They're all good.

7087
06:58:58,240 --> 06:58:58,380
Yeah.

7088
06:58:58,380 --> 06:59:05,220
The top four rated teams were the ones in the semifinals.

7089
06:59:05,220 --> 06:59:07,280
They were like spot on but Norway, right?

7090
06:59:07,460 --> 06:59:08,280
Like dead money.

7091
06:59:08,380 --> 06:59:09,700
All of them were spot on but Norway.

7092
06:59:10,620 --> 06:59:14,960
All I gotta say is, man, that everything that Claudio has done

7093
06:59:14,960 --> 06:59:17,260
be working in full effect, bro.

7094
06:59:17,380 --> 06:59:18,620
Shout out to Claudio.

7095
06:59:19,940 --> 06:59:20,800
Shout out to fucking Claudio.

7096
06:59:20,800 --> 06:59:22,900
Big file, that's fine, to be honest.

7097
06:59:23,120 --> 06:59:23,780
I'm gonna fuck off.

7098
06:59:24,280 --> 06:59:25,240
Yeah, I'm about to do it.

7099
06:59:25,240 --> 06:59:27,800
Bro, I hope Spain wins because I saw them play.

7100
06:59:28,380 --> 06:59:31,240
and Brazil and America's out, so what are we doing?

7101
06:59:32,400 --> 06:59:33,960
America never stood a chance.

7102
06:59:34,580 --> 06:59:36,280
Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. It's laughable.

7103
06:59:37,780 --> 06:59:39,820
At least we play good in hockey now, at least.

7104
06:59:39,820 --> 06:59:42,200
At least we can beat the Canadians in hockey.

7105
06:59:42,960 --> 06:59:43,800
Eventually, we'll be able to...

7106
06:59:43,800 --> 06:59:45,540
I'll give you guys that. I'll give you guys that.

7107
06:59:45,980 --> 06:59:48,580
Bro, we'll make the world pad up and play some real football.

7108
06:59:48,840 --> 06:59:50,420
Watch what happens. Break some necks.

7109
06:59:51,800 --> 06:59:52,120
Fuck.

7110
06:59:53,700 --> 06:59:55,560
I don't know, man. Rugby...

7111
06:59:55,560 --> 06:59:58,160
Rugby's pretty fucking savage, though.

7112
06:59:58,380 --> 07:00:05,260
i don't know right we're going crazy right yo that's just i'm getting my heart on for guys

7113
07:00:05,980 --> 07:00:08,620
let her keep pumping or what or should i just dump

7114
07:00:11,580 --> 07:00:13,980
don't go cricket yo cricket too bro

7115
07:00:17,420 --> 07:00:22,700
depends on dump it you want to when you're going to sell you want to see what your slippage is

7116
07:00:22,700 --> 07:00:27,500
going to be if it stays in the green flip with it if it starts getting high in the red you know

7117
07:00:27,500 --> 07:00:33,500
you're adjusting this is a coin where if it pumps too much some other people will dump it

7118
07:00:33,500 --> 07:00:35,740
so he has no choice but to dump it

7119
07:00:39,420 --> 07:00:40,540
is that the bone token

7120
07:00:43,260 --> 07:00:46,940
just gonna hit it bro it's over game blouses

7121
07:00:51,020 --> 07:00:53,020
bye back to my house and have some pancakes

7122
07:00:57,500 --> 07:01:03,740
so what else what else is cooking though we got dr oz why dr oz be showing up no all of a sudden

7123
07:01:03,740 --> 07:01:11,000
now all of a sudden dr oz around now i've had some time off i've been home the last couple weeks i've

7124
07:01:11,000 --> 07:01:18,040
had some time i've been grinding in japan when do you work dude do a surgery i work all the time

7125
07:01:18,040 --> 07:01:24,560
man i'm doing surgery right now i'm eventually gonna hit you guys with the the the fajita for

7126
07:01:24,560 --> 07:01:28,640
for whether the dude that scammed everybody the cardano guy eventually i'm gonna hit you guys up

7127
07:01:28,640 --> 07:01:35,200
with hey let me borrow 15 000 ada and hopefully i can hit you guys harder than he hit you guys

7128
07:01:35,200 --> 07:01:39,840
since eight is low right now and eventually i'll get a million ada from every one of you since it'd

7129
07:01:39,840 --> 07:01:46,960
be like ten dollars and then eventually cardano eventually we'll go back to 35 cents and then i

7130
07:01:46,960 --> 07:01:53,920
could finally uh bank africa myself since it's gonna that's only where it's gonna happen bank of

7131
07:01:53,920 --> 07:02:02,240
africa yeah real pie bro yes sheesh

7132
07:02:02,240 --> 07:02:08,720
yo bone what's up

7133
07:02:08,720 --> 07:02:15,360
what's up big dog send me the package bro send you the bag

7134
07:02:15,360 --> 07:02:20,340
okay what up whoa the package broski

7135
07:02:20,340 --> 07:02:23,660
secure the bag

7136
07:02:23,660 --> 07:02:26,320
took what I said a little too far

7137
07:02:26,320 --> 07:02:27,780
I didn't even say that

7138
07:02:27,780 --> 07:02:29,240
I don't know how

7139
07:02:29,240 --> 07:02:30,520
where did it misread

7140
07:02:30,520 --> 07:02:32,520
when your friend got the bag at the club

7141
07:02:32,520 --> 07:02:33,800
and everyone's chasing him around

7142
07:02:33,800 --> 07:02:35,920
it's great nothing better than that

7143
07:02:35,920 --> 07:02:39,060
that's great

7144
07:02:39,060 --> 07:02:40,800
has anyone seen the new Dr. Dabber

7145
07:02:40,800 --> 07:02:42,620
this thing fire man

7146
07:02:42,620 --> 07:02:44,300
the new Dr. Dabber switch too

7147
07:02:44,300 --> 07:02:46,160
they even got a little go thing

7148
07:02:46,160 --> 07:02:47,700
you know what's going to be fire bro

7149
07:02:47,700 --> 07:02:49,480
is going to be hanging out with K-Dog

7150
07:02:49,480 --> 07:02:51,560
because K-Dog lives in

7151
07:02:51,560 --> 07:02:52,260
Vegas.

7152
07:02:54,140 --> 07:02:54,940
Shout out to K-Dog.

7153
07:02:56,080 --> 07:02:57,240
Shout out to K-Dog.

7154
07:02:57,240 --> 07:02:58,440
Shout out to K-Dog, yeah.

7155
07:02:59,500 --> 07:03:00,120
Where's he been?

7156
07:03:01,920 --> 07:03:03,340
I seen like...

7157
07:03:03,340 --> 07:03:05,580
He had a family

7158
07:03:05,580 --> 07:03:07,480
situation, which is a really good

7159
07:03:07,480 --> 07:03:09,340
situation, so he is like, yo,

7160
07:03:09,460 --> 07:03:10,140
I'm at peace.

7161
07:03:13,080 --> 07:03:13,600
Totally.

7162
07:03:17,320 --> 07:03:18,700
You know what's crazy?

7163
07:03:18,700 --> 07:03:19,980
You know what's crazy, bro?

7164
07:03:24,480 --> 07:03:24,960
Definitely.

7165
07:03:25,140 --> 07:03:26,260
Yeah, I know a lot of crazies.

7166
07:03:26,680 --> 07:03:30,460
Definitely there's some sandwich attacking ass type energy, bro.

7167
07:03:32,920 --> 07:03:33,800
No cap.

7168
07:03:34,860 --> 07:03:35,340
Sandwichy?

7169
07:03:37,580 --> 07:03:43,320
No, Cardano trading is just sandwiched at all times.

7170
07:03:44,500 --> 07:03:45,460
Yes, it is.

7171
07:03:45,540 --> 07:03:46,060
There you go.

7172
07:03:46,140 --> 07:03:46,660
Now you know.

7173
07:03:46,800 --> 07:03:47,860
That's why I said it just that.

7174
07:03:47,920 --> 07:03:48,380
You'll see.

7175
07:03:48,700 --> 07:03:49,820
Yes, it is.

7176
07:03:49,940 --> 07:03:51,660
Oh, that's why I don't even...

7177
07:03:51,660 --> 07:03:53,840
Damn, man.

7178
07:03:54,880 --> 07:03:56,080
Shit's on the auto lock.

7179
07:03:56,540 --> 07:03:59,040
People put market makers for themselves and shit.

7180
07:04:01,520 --> 07:04:02,640
Damn, man.

7181
07:04:08,280 --> 07:04:09,360
It's fine, though.

7182
07:04:09,400 --> 07:04:10,140
Ain't nobody tripping.

7183
07:04:13,680 --> 07:04:15,400
We are finally free.

7184
07:04:15,400 --> 07:04:22,600
it's expensive to trade on cardano when you use an actual dexus and shit like to use the actual

7185
07:04:22,600 --> 07:04:27,880
chain that's cheap i wouldn't even say expensive i just i think it's retarded to trade in

7186
07:04:27,880 --> 07:04:35,200
well cardano goes up it's expensive like if that shit was at two a dollar and you're paying 20 it

7187
07:04:35,200 --> 07:04:40,860
it's fucking what like bitcoin it's not even transactions it's just like the slippage and

7188
07:04:40,860 --> 07:04:42,640
the fees because the liquidity

7189
07:04:42,640 --> 07:04:43,900
and whatever.

7190
07:04:44,780 --> 07:04:46,720
Match fees, yeah, and all that.

7191
07:04:46,840 --> 07:04:47,300
Uh-huh.

7192
07:04:48,820 --> 07:04:50,100
Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

7193
07:04:54,580 --> 07:04:55,920
I hope y'all are doing good.

7194
07:04:56,020 --> 07:04:57,140
Everybody doing good here?

7195
07:04:58,300 --> 07:05:00,120
Oh, yeah. We're context

7196
07:05:00,120 --> 07:05:02,280
engineering. I'm about to go watch some Code Geass

7197
07:05:02,280 --> 07:05:03,660
though and, like, plug and chill out.

7198
07:05:04,180 --> 07:05:05,920
Shout out some Cookie.

7199
07:05:06,860 --> 07:05:08,020
What? You're watching what?

7200
07:05:08,020 --> 07:05:09,900
Code Geass. What the hell is that?

7201
07:05:09,900 --> 07:05:12,520
Geos. It's an anime

7202
07:05:12,520 --> 07:05:14,780
basically where

7203
07:05:14,780 --> 07:05:17,000
Code Geos. So it's an anime

7204
07:05:17,000 --> 07:05:17,540
where

7205
07:05:17,540 --> 07:05:20,780
to give you this setting

7206
07:05:20,780 --> 07:05:23,200
there are basically

7207
07:05:23,200 --> 07:05:25,180
a few empires that control

7208
07:05:25,180 --> 07:05:27,240
the world. Britannia being one

7209
07:05:27,240 --> 07:05:29,260
of them. Britannia owns about one third

7210
07:05:29,260 --> 07:05:30,760
of the world. It occupies UK

7211
07:05:30,760 --> 07:05:32,780
and basically all the Americas.

7212
07:05:34,780 --> 07:05:37,180
So Britannia has been taking

7213
07:05:37,180 --> 07:05:39,200
over different parts of the world

7214
07:05:39,200 --> 07:05:44,660
and what they do is they erase the identity of that country and give them a number they basically

7215
07:05:44,660 --> 07:05:49,620
call them basically an order of what they got conquered so like your first country got conquered

7216
07:05:49,620 --> 07:05:56,120
you're now ones you're no longer the country of like morocco or some shit now you are just called

7217
07:05:56,120 --> 07:06:05,180
ones and like so in this anime they conquered japan and japan is now loses japan's identity

7218
07:06:05,180 --> 07:06:12,500
it becomes elevens and so that's the baseline of the story and then what the main character

7219
07:06:12,500 --> 07:06:20,280
follows is he is basically a banished prince from you know his father is the king of britannia

7220
07:06:20,280 --> 07:06:27,940
so he is one of the princes and he was banished and many thought was dead um his mother was killed

7221
07:06:27,940 --> 07:06:35,020
and he is trying to figure out who killed her as well as his sister went blind as a result of the

7222
07:06:35,020 --> 07:06:36,600
incident.

7223
07:06:37,600 --> 07:06:38,720
You know, the trauma left her

7224
07:06:38,720 --> 07:06:41,100
basically blind or whatever.

7225
07:06:41,760 --> 07:06:42,000
So,

7226
07:06:42,740 --> 07:06:45,160
he's basically trying

7227
07:06:45,160 --> 07:06:46,880
to figure out who killed his mother

7228
07:06:46,880 --> 07:06:49,120
and everything. So, he begins to

7229
07:06:49,120 --> 07:06:50,460
plot his revenge

7230
07:06:50,460 --> 07:06:52,660
against the Empire

7231
07:06:52,660 --> 07:06:53,780
of Britannia.

7232
07:06:54,920 --> 07:06:55,300
And so,

7233
07:06:56,400 --> 07:06:59,000
he ends up with this

7234
07:06:59,000 --> 07:07:00,740
power. He makes a contract with this

7235
07:07:00,740 --> 07:07:01,980
witch-like woman.

7236
07:07:02,620 --> 07:07:04,340
And he ends up with this power

7237
07:07:04,340 --> 07:07:05,500
called Geos.

7238
07:07:06,140 --> 07:07:07,880
And his specific Geos power

7239
07:07:07,880 --> 07:07:09,920
is that he can command anyone

7240
07:07:09,920 --> 07:07:11,920
to do any action one time.

7241
07:07:12,460 --> 07:07:13,500
So he can command you

7242
07:07:13,500 --> 07:07:16,420
to do an action for like the next year.

7243
07:07:16,920 --> 07:07:17,420
It can be like,

7244
07:07:17,480 --> 07:07:19,360
you will draw an X on this wall

7245
07:07:19,360 --> 07:07:21,000
for the next 50 years.

7246
07:07:21,420 --> 07:07:22,120
And every day,

7247
07:07:22,600 --> 07:07:23,560
you'll come back to that wall

7248
07:07:23,560 --> 07:07:24,300
and draw an X.

7249
07:07:26,220 --> 07:07:28,280
And so he can literally command someone

7250
07:07:28,280 --> 07:07:29,240
to do an action

7251
07:07:29,240 --> 07:07:30,580
for an infinite amount of time

7252
07:07:30,580 --> 07:07:31,540
that lasts Neo time.

7253
07:07:31,800 --> 07:07:33,100
But he can only use it once

7254
07:07:33,100 --> 07:07:34,360
on a person.

7255
07:07:35,060 --> 07:07:36,900
After that, he can never use it again on a person.

7256
07:07:39,060 --> 07:07:39,580
Using

7257
07:07:39,580 --> 07:07:41,540
this power,

7258
07:07:41,660 --> 07:07:43,060
he begins to basically

7259
07:07:43,060 --> 07:07:45,380
actually take action on

7260
07:07:45,380 --> 07:07:46,900
getting his revenge

7261
07:07:46,900 --> 07:07:48,700
against

7262
07:07:48,700 --> 07:07:51,560
the Empire of Britannia.

7263
07:07:52,480 --> 07:07:53,720
That's how

7264
07:07:53,720 --> 07:07:54,400
the story goes.

7265
07:07:55,500 --> 07:07:56,940
What happens if I stab him?

7266
07:07:57,480 --> 07:07:59,340
I'm writing the X on the wall, right?

7267
07:07:59,340 --> 07:08:01,460
Day 365, I'm tired

7268
07:08:01,460 --> 07:08:06,360
of this shit and i finally am done with my ex for the day say i stab in the neck with the pencil

7269
07:08:06,360 --> 07:08:13,860
right um is this power to go away anytime you stabbed a person or you stabbed the user of the

7270
07:08:13,860 --> 07:08:20,320
power the guy whatever the guy that's got me doing the guy um so what the geos does is it

7271
07:08:20,320 --> 07:08:29,460
permanently alters your brain so you are stuck in that way regardless of uh what you do like

7272
07:08:29,460 --> 07:08:32,880
I'm dating his mom after that

7273
07:08:32,880 --> 07:08:34,440
he's making me put X's

7274
07:08:34,440 --> 07:08:36,200
I'm clapping his mom's cheeks every day

7275
07:08:36,200 --> 07:08:36,980
for the rest of my life

7276
07:08:36,980 --> 07:08:40,260
been dead for over 7-8 years

7277
07:08:40,260 --> 07:08:42,000
his sister's blind

7278
07:08:42,000 --> 07:08:43,380
so she won't know what I look like

7279
07:08:43,380 --> 07:08:44,060
she's next

7280
07:08:44,060 --> 07:08:48,720
anyways

7281
07:08:48,720 --> 07:08:51,740
yeah

7282
07:08:51,740 --> 07:08:54,080
so it's a little interesting story

7283
07:08:54,080 --> 07:08:56,260
oh fuck I forgot about the kefir I have

7284
07:08:56,260 --> 07:08:58,260
let me take care of that first

7285
07:08:59,460 --> 07:09:03,460
That was Lucas knocking on his door.

7286
07:09:03,660 --> 07:09:04,840
Don't let him lie to you guys.

7287
07:09:05,600 --> 07:09:06,680
Nah, it's the kefir.

7288
07:09:07,340 --> 07:09:07,780
Oh, wow.

7289
07:09:07,840 --> 07:09:10,200
It's all fucking strained up.

7290
07:09:10,680 --> 07:09:10,980
All right.

7291
07:09:12,820 --> 07:09:14,020
Damn, so you got a bunk bed

7292
07:09:14,020 --> 07:09:15,560
and you just wash these with Lucas or what?

7293
07:09:16,160 --> 07:09:16,560
Oh, yeah.

7294
07:09:16,680 --> 07:09:17,860
No, they don't have bunk beds.

7295
07:09:17,920 --> 07:09:19,440
They just have a really big futon.

7296
07:09:19,780 --> 07:09:20,840
They just kind of, you know,

7297
07:09:21,580 --> 07:09:21,620
spring.

7298
07:09:21,620 --> 07:09:22,520
They got a ditty bed.

7299
07:09:22,620 --> 07:09:23,820
They got them in big ass beds.

7300
07:09:25,440 --> 07:09:26,760
Yeah, they code together.

7301
07:09:27,180 --> 07:09:27,740
Nice car.

7302
07:09:27,900 --> 07:09:28,260
It worked.

7303
07:09:28,260 --> 07:09:30,460
You guys be pulling women down in Miami?

7304
07:09:30,620 --> 07:09:33,460
You guys just two guys that are fucking looking at screens all day.

7305
07:09:37,140 --> 07:09:39,240
Richard already has a wife, don't it?

7306
07:09:39,360 --> 07:09:42,980
And Microproof, he's like getting, he already, his balls are plastic free.

7307
07:09:43,080 --> 07:09:43,560
What do you mean?

7308
07:09:43,600 --> 07:09:45,000
He's out here clapping all the cheeks.

7309
07:09:45,840 --> 07:09:48,140
He just has to go and say my balls are plastic free.

7310
07:09:48,940 --> 07:09:56,500
Riley right now, Riley right now is algorithmically calculating his EV based on,

7311
07:09:56,500 --> 07:09:59,420
the amount of microplastic in his balls

7312
07:09:59,420 --> 07:10:05,800
based on the amount of protein and protein powder every day.

7313
07:10:07,080 --> 07:10:07,900
Hold on.

7314
07:10:10,620 --> 07:10:14,020
The secret is if you drain your balls daily, there's no plastic.

7315
07:10:14,200 --> 07:10:17,740
Based on his sardine intake

7316
07:10:17,740 --> 07:10:21,540
and that gooey grain shit he be eating.

7317
07:10:21,760 --> 07:10:23,080
What is it, Micah?

7318
07:10:23,560 --> 07:10:24,620
He ain't like a little gooey.

7319
07:10:24,620 --> 07:10:24,940
Yeah.

7320
07:10:27,040 --> 07:10:29,080
Based on the natto by the gram

7321
07:10:29,080 --> 07:10:30,520
equation, bro.

7322
07:10:31,920 --> 07:10:32,460
That's fine.

7323
07:10:32,640 --> 07:10:36,100
Yeah, you can't even be mad at him, bro.

7324
07:10:36,740 --> 07:10:38,240
It's just the EV is high.

7325
07:10:38,940 --> 07:10:41,900
You can't hate on the MF that is like...

7326
07:10:41,900 --> 07:10:42,940
I don't like natto.

7327
07:10:43,080 --> 07:10:43,560
It's pretty good.

7328
07:10:45,420 --> 07:10:45,860
Disgusting.

7329
07:10:47,240 --> 07:10:48,560
It's actually not bad.

7330
07:10:49,340 --> 07:10:50,840
It's bad for the...

7331
07:10:50,840 --> 07:10:52,660
I said, like, it's like gooey and shit.

7332
07:10:53,380 --> 07:10:53,800
Oh, boy.

7333
07:10:53,800 --> 07:10:57,860
Are there gooey balls in your mouth?

7334
07:10:59,060 --> 07:11:01,280
It is not at all like that experience.

7335
07:11:01,760 --> 07:11:03,400
I don't know what that experience is like,

7336
07:11:03,640 --> 07:11:06,640
but I don't think it's anything like that.

7337
07:11:07,660 --> 07:11:08,720
That was just you, Esco,

7338
07:11:08,800 --> 07:11:10,280
the guys like, close your eyes.

7339
07:11:11,900 --> 07:11:12,520
He's like,

7340
07:11:12,600 --> 07:11:13,860
Nathalie, shut the hell up.

7341
07:11:14,800 --> 07:11:16,820
That's what Riley told you what it was.

7342
07:11:16,820 --> 07:11:17,460
You know what I mean?

7343
07:11:17,540 --> 07:11:18,620
That's really not what it is.

7344
07:11:20,100 --> 07:11:20,820
I'm dead.

7345
07:11:23,800 --> 07:11:27,980
If that didn't bring Riley up here, he's getting laid.

7346
07:11:28,600 --> 07:11:31,380
He gets laid like once every 475 days.

7347
07:11:31,780 --> 07:11:32,640
This is that day.

7348
07:11:34,020 --> 07:11:34,500
Wow.

7349
07:11:35,100 --> 07:11:41,840
Bro, I want to be at a restaurant in Vegas sitting across from Riley on a date with a nice escort and just listen to the conversation.

7350
07:11:42,720 --> 07:11:44,280
Well, he usually comes up by now.

7351
07:11:44,520 --> 07:11:45,600
He must be busy.

7352
07:11:45,880 --> 07:11:47,340
He must be pumping iron or something.

7353
07:11:48,140 --> 07:11:49,600
No, why does he not?

7354
07:11:49,600 --> 07:11:51,300
I'm telling you, he's in sardines.

7355
07:11:51,300 --> 07:11:52,580
He's just

7356
07:11:52,580 --> 07:11:55,300
Game of games

7357
07:11:55,300 --> 07:11:56,520
You can't hear him no more

7358
07:11:56,520 --> 07:11:58,640
His EV, it's all about the EV bro

7359
07:11:58,640 --> 07:12:01,200
I'm telling you

7360
07:12:01,200 --> 07:12:02,140
That's what it's all about

7361
07:12:02,140 --> 07:12:03,700
EV, EV, EV

7362
07:12:03,700 --> 07:12:04,800
Booping the creatine

7363
07:12:04,800 --> 07:12:08,680
Yo

7364
07:12:08,680 --> 07:12:10,180
PNG's at huh

7365
07:12:10,180 --> 07:12:13,160
PNG wait what is PNG

7366
07:12:13,160 --> 07:12:14,760
Give me the PNG bro

7367
07:12:14,760 --> 07:12:18,500
Crocter and Gamble

7368
07:12:21,300 --> 07:12:30,900
everyone we should vote if micro proof she changes name from micro proofs to micro plastic

7369
07:12:30,900 --> 07:12:40,860
hey man i am universal and investing the world so you know

7370
07:12:40,860 --> 07:12:47,900
proofs are everywhere and so is plastic so it works you're one of those rose toys right you

7371
07:12:47,900 --> 07:12:50,860
what i'm talking about no actually

7372
07:12:53,500 --> 07:12:59,500
okay it's over tell them about tell them it's over over exactly we gotta go nice

7373
07:13:02,140 --> 07:13:06,700
i was waiting for you to leave my we want to hear the recording we've been waiting here

7374
07:13:07,980 --> 07:13:12,300
we gotta go we gotta go tell them bye bye bye

7375
07:13:17,900 --> 07:13:47,880
Thank you.